jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »Catches_the_Sun wrote: »It is a promotion
It's like today Prada discount 50% and you just bought Prada yesterday and you come to the shop and asking for 50% discount for your purchased?
You do understand this discussion is not about the discounted price, right? It's about offering an exclusive to future customers that is not available to existing customers.
To use your analogy, say you bought your full price Prada bag yesterday, and today you come in the shop, and they have a new, better Prada bag that you like much more than the one you just bought...and it's even cheaper. You walk up to the counter with it and you're told, sorry ma'am, you already OWN a Prada bag, so you can't have that one. That Prada bag is only for new Prada customers. Please put it back.
Your analogy is flawed, they not saying you cant buy a second purse, if you want it that badly buy a second purse(game)
How many people do you honestly think would pay a second sub fee and reroll all their toons for that? Most people aren't going to buy a second exact same purse either (especially not a genuine Prada).
They would make more money offering the dog as a stand-alone purchase, but it seems like they're more interested in exclusivity and alienation.
Well in the original analogy they are not exatly the same purse, the second one had a new flashy gold ring or something like that.
I get it, in a way. I beta tested, bought Imp edition, would like a dog for a pet.
However, I won't let a digital pet that does nothing useful, get me all upset, claim to quit, and curse a game I enjoy, or the devolpers. Look no company is ever going to make 100% of its customers happy, other pets will come, i would be willing to bet other dogs included.
It's not that big of a deal...
I may be annoyed and grumpy, but I haven't cursed the game or its developers or its marketing department or threatened to quit. I'm sure other pets will come, and if one of those pets is a similar dog, then great.
That doesn't mean that we should be complacent with backseat treatment compared to potential customers. It's completely reasonable to suggest that they should at least offer us the option to buy it alongside the new people getting it for free.
jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »
Well in the original analogy they are not exatly the same purse, the second one had a new flashy gold ring or something like that.
I get it, in a way. I beta tested, bought Imp edition, would like a dog for a pet.
However, I won't let a digital pet that does nothing useful, get me all upset, claim to quit, and curse a game I enjoy, or the devolpers. Look no company is ever going to make 100% of its customers happy, other pets will come, i would be willing to bet other dogs included.
It's not that big of a deal...
I find this also kind of sad. The people who had been here from the start should also deserve something if new people are getting (one of the) best pets so far for sticking with the game through its ups and downs so far.
Even if not the same dog, but a different one like a "Loyal Shepherd" or whatever really.
@Csub I personally have to disagree. I think that all current Imperial Edition members should also have this pet for free, because paid the same (actually more due to the 40% sale right now) ammount of money. The pet should also be available to anyone who upgrades to the Imperial Edition.
They also need to make both the Explorers Pack, the Beta Monkey and the Guar plushy pet available as store purchases to upgrade accounts.
By doing this they're stating that all members of the community have the same level of access to all content and items within the game. While players would still have to pay more for these items, for example a non pre-order player would have to pay for the Explorers Pack rather than getting it for free they would at least have access to that content.
I personally have no problems with ESO using their store to add more vanity items, however making exclusive items just angers people who have been loyal to the game.
As myself and others stated earlier in the thread we have been here since day one of early access and stuck around through all the bugs and problems of the game staying loyal, now because of that our reward is to be told we can't have a pet because we didn't wait three months to buy the game.
jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »Catches_the_Sun wrote: »It is a promotion
It's like today Prada discount 50% and you just bought Prada yesterday and you come to the shop and asking for 50% discount for your purchased?
You do understand this discussion is not about the discounted price, right? It's about offering an exclusive to future customers that is not available to existing customers.
To use your analogy, say you bought your full price Prada bag yesterday, and today you come in the shop, and they have a new, better Prada bag that you like much more than the one you just bought...and it's even cheaper. You walk up to the counter with it and you're told, sorry ma'am, you already OWN a Prada bag, so you can't have that one. That Prada bag is only for new Prada customers. Please put it back.
Your analogy is flawed, they not saying you cant buy a second purse, if you want it that badly buy a second purse(game)
How many people do you honestly think would pay a second sub fee and reroll all their toons for that? Most people aren't going to buy a second exact same purse either (especially not a genuine Prada).
They would make more money offering the dog as a stand-alone purchase, but it seems like they're more interested in exclusivity and alienation.
Well in the original analogy they are not exatly the same purse, the second one had a new flashy gold ring or something like that.
I get it, in a way. I beta tested, bought Imp edition, would like a dog for a pet.
However, I won't let a digital pet that does nothing useful, get me all upset, claim to quit, and curse a game I enjoy, or the devolpers. Look no company is ever going to make 100% of its customers happy, other pets will come, i would be willing to bet other dogs included.
It's not that big of a deal...
I may be annoyed and grumpy, but I haven't cursed the game or its developers or its marketing department or threatened to quit. I'm sure other pets will come, and if one of those pets is a similar dog, then great.
That doesn't mean that we should be complacent with backseat treatment compared to potential customers. It's completely reasonable to suggest that they should at least offer us the option to buy it alongside the new people getting it for free.
I did not mean to imply that you said those things, But I have seen all of those comement on all 3 of the threads reladed to steam.
I agree there should be an option to buy it if thats what people want to spend their money on.
I personally don't feel like were getting backseat treatment tho. Promotions come out all the time to get new customers or bring back old. In other MMO's they offered special mounts, that were exclusive,if you returned to the game. I just don't understand the amount of venom and entiltment by some, not all, of the people in these threads.
jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »
Well in the original analogy they are not exatly the same purse, the second one had a new flashy gold ring or something like that.
I get it, in a way. I beta tested, bought Imp edition, would like a dog for a pet.
However, I won't let a digital pet that does nothing useful, get me all upset, claim to quit, and curse a game I enjoy, or the devolpers. Look no company is ever going to make 100% of its customers happy, other pets will come, i would be willing to bet other dogs included.
It's not that big of a deal...
I think you're lumping everyone in here together a bit You definitely have a point, this isn't a game quit or rage at devs kind of thing, and most people in here aren't reacting to it that way. More of a plea that Zenimax help us out with something we are clearly very interested in. Pop it up on the store for purchase, let us buy a steam key with dog for our existing accounts, however they like. This isn't really a case of people wanting something for nothing, or expecting absurd handouts, it's more a matter of expecting that if you play a game, you should have access to any content released during the time you play, for a price at least.
I personally don't have any experience with another game that added a pet or fun item that existing players had no access to. Even the WoW recruit-a-friend mounts weren't that hard to find a way to get, and they applied to your existing account. The key here is having it on your same account, having it on a separate account does no good for the vast majority of players.
jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »Catches_the_Sun wrote: »It is a promotion
It's like today Prada discount 50% and you just bought Prada yesterday and you come to the shop and asking for 50% discount for your purchased?
You do understand this discussion is not about the discounted price, right? It's about offering an exclusive to future customers that is not available to existing customers.
To use your analogy, say you bought your full price Prada bag yesterday, and today you come in the shop, and they have a new, better Prada bag that you like much more than the one you just bought...and it's even cheaper. You walk up to the counter with it and you're told, sorry ma'am, you already OWN a Prada bag, so you can't have that one. That Prada bag is only for new Prada customers. Please put it back.
Your analogy is flawed, they not saying you cant buy a second purse, if you want it that badly buy a second purse(game)
How many people do you honestly think would pay a second sub fee and reroll all their toons for that? Most people aren't going to buy a second exact same purse either (especially not a genuine Prada).
They would make more money offering the dog as a stand-alone purchase, but it seems like they're more interested in exclusivity and alienation.
Well in the original analogy they are not exatly the same purse, the second one had a new flashy gold ring or something like that.
I get it, in a way. I beta tested, bought Imp edition, would like a dog for a pet.
However, I won't let a digital pet that does nothing useful, get me all upset, claim to quit, and curse a game I enjoy, or the devolpers. Look no company is ever going to make 100% of its customers happy, other pets will come, i would be willing to bet other dogs included.
It's not that big of a deal...
I may be annoyed and grumpy, but I haven't cursed the game or its developers or its marketing department or threatened to quit. I'm sure other pets will come, and if one of those pets is a similar dog, then great.
That doesn't mean that we should be complacent with backseat treatment compared to potential customers. It's completely reasonable to suggest that they should at least offer us the option to buy it alongside the new people getting it for free.
I did not mean to imply that you said those things, But I have seen all of those comement on all 3 of the threads reladed to steam.
I agree there should be an option to buy it if thats what people want to spend their money on.
I personally don't feel like were getting backseat treatment tho. Promotions come out all the time to get new customers or bring back old. In other MMO's they offered special mounts, that were exclusive,if you returned to the game. I just don't understand the amount of venom and entiltment by some, not all, of the people in these threads.
For some reason I'm less vehement about exclusive mount offers than I am about exclusive pets. The rest of your points I agree with. Truce cookie?
jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »Not trying to lump everyone together, however i may have confused some of the coments i read on other Steam threads with this thread. I know i have seen a few people that that if the dont get steam keys/ dog the are unsubing, but like i said it may have been in another thread.
I do agree, that I do not see why they wouldn't just add it to the cash shop.
poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »If I can't have the dog I will actively do whatever I can to screw anyone with it.
I been here a while, don't doubt my ability to pull mobs etc etc. If we all do this it will make it difficult for Zenimax as well as anyone with the dog.
Oh lord, I've entered my second childhood. I will have my revenge.
jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »Not trying to lump everyone together, however i may have confused some of the coments i read on other Steam threads with this thread. I know i have seen a few people that that if the dont get steam keys/ dog the are unsubing, but like i said it may have been in another thread.
I do agree, that I do not see why they wouldn't just add it to the cash shop.
While this issue alone has not cause me reason to unsub combined with the Guar pet, rampant PVP exploiting (which ZOS can't even agree is an exploit) I am starting to ask myself more and more if this is a company I want to be doing business with.
I have mixed feelings because on one hand I watch podcast interviews with Developers and see and hear passionate people who give me faith in the game and on the I have a company which seems to have no qualms about taking a poop on their existing and loyal players who stayed with them through all the games issues since release.
I have been pretty whiny in this thread so far but I also tend to whine and rant with good structured arguments and feedback (at least I like to think I do) but yeah, just so damn annoyed right now that unless I drop another $40 on a game I already own I will never have access to an item in it.
jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »Catches_the_Sun wrote: »It is a promotion
It's like today Prada discount 50% and you just bought Prada yesterday and you come to the shop and asking for 50% discount for your purchased?
You do understand this discussion is not about the discounted price, right? It's about offering an exclusive to future customers that is not available to existing customers.
To use your analogy, say you bought your full price Prada bag yesterday, and today you come in the shop, and they have a new, better Prada bag that you like much more than the one you just bought...and it's even cheaper. You walk up to the counter with it and you're told, sorry ma'am, you already OWN a Prada bag, so you can't have that one. That Prada bag is only for new Prada customers. Please put it back.
Your analogy is flawed, they not saying you cant buy a second purse, if you want it that badly buy a second purse(game)
How many people do you honestly think would pay a second sub fee and reroll all their toons for that? Most people aren't going to buy a second exact same purse either (especially not a genuine Prada).
They would make more money offering the dog as a stand-alone purchase, but it seems like they're more interested in exclusivity and alienation.
Well in the original analogy they are not exatly the same purse, the second one had a new flashy gold ring or something like that.
I get it, in a way. I beta tested, bought Imp edition, would like a dog for a pet.
However, I won't let a digital pet that does nothing useful, get me all upset, claim to quit, and curse a game I enjoy, or the devolpers. Look no company is ever going to make 100% of its customers happy, other pets will come, i would be willing to bet other dogs included.
It's not that big of a deal...
I may be annoyed and grumpy, but I haven't cursed the game or its developers or its marketing department or threatened to quit. I'm sure other pets will come, and if one of those pets is a similar dog, then great.
That doesn't mean that we should be complacent with backseat treatment compared to potential customers. It's completely reasonable to suggest that they should at least offer us the option to buy it alongside the new people getting it for free.
I did not mean to imply that you said those things, But I have seen all of those comement on all 3 of the threads reladed to steam.
I agree there should be an option to buy it if thats what people want to spend their money on.
I personally don't feel like were getting backseat treatment tho. Promotions come out all the time to get new customers or bring back old. In other MMO's they offered special mounts, that were exclusive,if you returned to the game. I just don't understand the amount of venom and entiltment by some, not all, of the people in these threads.
For some reason I'm less vehement about exclusive mount offers than I am about exclusive pets. The rest of your points I agree with. Truce cookie?
LOL cookie accepted. Although I never felt were were really at war, Just slightly diffrent views.
But i do love cookies
While this issue alone has not cause me reason to unsub...
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jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »Catches_the_Sun wrote: »It is a promotion
It's like today Prada discount 50% and you just bought Prada yesterday and you come to the shop and asking for 50% discount for your purchased?
You do understand this discussion is not about the discounted price, right? It's about offering an exclusive to future customers that is not available to existing customers.
To use your analogy, say you bought your full price Prada bag yesterday, and today you come in the shop, and they have a new, better Prada bag that you like much more than the one you just bought...and it's even cheaper. You walk up to the counter with it and you're told, sorry ma'am, you already OWN a Prada bag, so you can't have that one. That Prada bag is only for new Prada customers. Please put it back.
Your analogy is flawed, they not saying you cant buy a second purse, if you want it that badly buy a second purse(game)
How many people do you honestly think would pay a second sub fee and reroll all their toons for that? Most people aren't going to buy a second exact same purse either (especially not a genuine Prada).
They would make more money offering the dog as a stand-alone purchase, but it seems like they're more interested in exclusivity and alienation.
Well in the original analogy they are not exatly the same purse, the second one had a new flashy gold ring or something like that.
I get it, in a way. I beta tested, bought Imp edition, would like a dog for a pet.
However, I won't let a digital pet that does nothing useful, get me all upset, claim to quit, and curse a game I enjoy, or the devolpers. Look no company is ever going to make 100% of its customers happy, other pets will come, i would be willing to bet other dogs included.
It's not that big of a deal...
ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »The wolfhound vanity pet is a limited-time bonus available only to those who buy the Imperial Edition of The Elder Scrolls Online through Steam.
jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »An honest question to all who are all worked up about this.
Why do you want a *** so bad? I only ask because as I stated before, I wouldn't mind one, but I guess I'm indifferent if I don't have it. I feel that way, because it does nothing for me... I can't send it to down to deposit mats in the bank, or deliver pots bak to me, etc. So there is no fuction to it.
As I said not bashing, just trying to better understand.
P.S. And I understand some are just dog lovers IRL, I am too. I love my RL dog, but I personal don't get the conection to a digital pet.
jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »Why do you want a dog so bad? I only ask because as I stated before, I wouldn't mind one...
jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »An honest question to all who are all worked up about this.
Why do you want a *** so bad? I only ask because as I stated before, I wouldn't mind one, but I guess I'm indifferent if I don't have it. I feel that way, because it does nothing for me... I can't send it to down to deposit mats in the bank, or deliver pots bak to me, etc. So there is no fuction to it.
As I said not bashing, just trying to better understand.
P.S. And I understand some are just dog lovers IRL, I am too. I love my RL dog, but I personal don't get the conection to a digital pet.
on the bright side you could mara yourselfSo if I BUY the game again on Steam, and 'merge' it with my Imperial Edition current account, I get two mub crabs and two rings and a new dog?
jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »An honest question to all who are all worked up about this.
Why do you want a *** so bad? I only ask because as I stated before, I wouldn't mind one, but I guess I'm indifferent if I don't have it. I feel that way, because it does nothing for me... I can't send it to down to deposit mats in the bank, or deliver pots bak to me, etc. So there is no fuction to it.
As I said not bashing, just trying to better understand.
P.S. And I understand some are just dog lovers IRL, I am too. I love my RL dog, but I personal don't get the conection to a digital pet.
jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »Why do you want a dog so bad? I only ask because as I stated before, I wouldn't mind one...
You've never noticed that other people sometimes want things you don't?
Vanity items produce reactions from "meh" to "MUST HAVE NOW," and people can fall anywhere along that spectrum. I have zero interest in the guar plush toy, but that doesn't leave me bewildered that others think it's awesome. And if they want it -- they can buy it. Unlike the wolfhound.