Any Way for Existing Customers to get the Whiterun Wolfhound?
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I may be annoyed and grumpy, but I haven't cursed the game or its developers or its marketing department or threatened to quit. I'm sure other pets will come, and if one of those pets is a similar dog, then great.
That doesn't mean that we should be complacent with backseat treatment compared to potential customers. It's completely reasonable to suggest that they should at least offer us the option to buy it alongside the new people getting it for free.
I did not mean to imply that you said those things, But I have seen all of those comement on all 3 of the threads reladed to steam.
I agree there should be an option to buy it if thats what people want to spend their money on.
I personally don't feel like were getting backseat treatment tho. Promotions come out all the time to get new customers or bring back old. In other MMO's they offered special mounts, that were exclusive,if you returned to the game. I just don't understand the amount of venom and entiltment by some, not all, of the people in these threads.0 -
Daemyn✭✭✭jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »
Well in the original analogy they are not exatly the same purse, the second one had a new flashy gold ring or something like that.
I get it, in a way. I beta tested, bought Imp edition, would like a dog for a pet.
However, I won't let a digital pet that does nothing useful, get me all upset, claim to quit, and curse a game I enjoy, or the devolpers. Look no company is ever going to make 100% of its customers happy, other pets will come, i would be willing to bet other dogs included.
It's not that big of a deal...
I think you're lumping everyone in here together a bit
You definitely have a point, this isn't a game quit or rage at devs kind of thing, and most people in here aren't reacting to it that way. More of a plea that Zenimax help us out with something we are clearly very interested in. Pop it up on the store for purchase, let us buy a steam key with dog for our existing accounts, however they like. This isn't really a case of people wanting something for nothing, or expecting absurd handouts, it's more a matter of expecting that if you play a game, you should have access to any content released during the time you play, for a price at least.
I personally don't have any experience with another game that added a pet or fun item that existing players had no access to. Even the WoW recruit-a-friend mounts weren't that hard to find a way to get, and they applied to your existing account. The key here is having it on your same account, having it on a separate account does no good for the vast majority of players.3 -
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@Csub I personally have to disagree. I think that all current Imperial Edition members should also have this pet for free, because paid the same (actually more due to the 40% sale right now) ammount of money. The pet should also be available to anyone who upgrades to the Imperial Edition.
They also need to make both the Explorers Pack, the Beta Monkey and the Guar plushy pet available as store purchases to upgrade accounts.
By doing this they're stating that all members of the community have the same level of access to all content and items within the game. While players would still have to pay more for these items, for example a non pre-order player would have to pay for the Explorers Pack rather than getting it for free they would at least have access to that content.
I personally have no problems with ESO using their store to add more vanity items, however making exclusive items just angers people who have been loyal to the game.
As myself and others stated earlier in the thread we have been here since day one of early access and stuck around through all the bugs and problems of the game staying loyal, now because of that our reward is to be told we can't have a pet because we didn't wait three months to buy the game.
Yep, I also would be very happy with the Whiterun wolf since it looks nice from the picture. I have also been here since the beta, that is why I am upset by their decision."The Divines gave you a nose for a reason, Tharn. So you can keep your mouth shut and still keep breathing. - Lyris Titanborn4 -
ebondeath✭✭✭✭✭jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »
I did not mean to imply that you said those things, But I have seen all of those comement on all 3 of the threads reladed to steam.
I agree there should be an option to buy it if thats what people want to spend their money on.
I personally don't feel like were getting backseat treatment tho. Promotions come out all the time to get new customers or bring back old. In other MMO's they offered special mounts, that were exclusive,if you returned to the game. I just don't understand the amount of venom and entiltment by some, not all, of the people in these threads.
For some reason I'm less vehement about exclusive mount offers than I am about exclusive pets. The rest of your points I agree with. Truce cookie?
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I think you're lumping everyone in here together a bit You definitely have a point, this isn't a game quit or rage at devs kind of thing, and most people in here aren't reacting to it that way. More of a plea that Zenimax help us out with something we are clearly very interested in. Pop it up on the store for purchase, let us buy a steam key with dog for our existing accounts, however they like. This isn't really a case of people wanting something for nothing, or expecting absurd handouts, it's more a matter of expecting that if you play a game, you should have access to any content released during the time you play, for a price at least.
I personally don't have any experience with another game that added a pet or fun item that existing players had no access to. Even the WoW recruit-a-friend mounts weren't that hard to find a way to get, and they applied to your existing account. The key here is having it on your same account, having it on a separate account does no good for the vast majority of players.
Not trying to lump everyone together, however i may have confused some of the coments i read on other Steam threads with this thread. I know i have seen a few people that that if the dont get steam keys/ dog the are unsubing, but like i said it may have been in another thread.
I do agree, that I do not see why they wouldn't just add it to the cash shop.0 -
For some reason I'm less vehement about exclusive mount offers than I am about exclusive pets. The rest of your points I agree with. Truce cookie?
LOL cookie accepted. Although I never felt were were really at war, Just slightly diffrent views.
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✭✭✭✭✭jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »Not trying to lump everyone together, however i may have confused some of the coments i read on other Steam threads with this thread. I know i have seen a few people that that if the dont get steam keys/ dog the are unsubing, but like i said it may have been in another thread.
I do agree, that I do not see why they wouldn't just add it to the cash shop.
While this issue alone has not cause me reason to unsub combined with the Guar pet, rampant PVP exploiting (which ZOS can't even agree is an exploit) I am starting to ask myself more and more if this is a company I want to be doing business with.
I have mixed feelings because on one hand I watch podcast interviews with Developers and see and hear passionate people who give me faith in the game and on the I have a company which seems to have no qualms about taking a poop on their existing and loyal players who stayed with them through all the games issues since release.
I have been pretty whiny in this thread so far but I also tend to whine and rant with good structured arguments and feedback (at least I like to think I do) but yeah, just so damn annoyed right now that unless I drop another $40 on a game I already own I will never have access to an item in it.
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Sighlynce✭✭✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »If I can't have the dog I will actively do whatever I can to screw anyone with it.
I been here a while, don't doubt my ability to pull mobs etc etc. If we all do this it will make it difficult for Zenimax as well as anyone with the dog.
Oh lord, I've entered my second childhood. I will have my revenge.
MWHAHAHAHAHAAH .... wrings hands in agreement
They will pay 
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emeraldbay✭✭✭✭✭So, I had this little idea. What if they did this on purpose? Well, first of all, why would they do that, right? Intentionally anger your existing customers in an attempt to lure in new ones? Perhaps that's not what they're trying to do at all.
Look at this. They've managed to get us all so worked up, and over what? A vanity pet that does nothing but follow you around and make noise. Even so, they were counting on two things:
1. They knew people wanted it. Dogs are among the most asked for pets, and they know that.
2. They knew people would want it even more if they couldn't get it. People always want what they can't have - this is no exception. By limiting access at first, they spur envy in players who already have the game.
Now, why is this good for them? Well, it isn't, unless...they intended to give it to everyone from the start. There's a logical sequence of events that we can assume here, most of which has already happened.
First, Zenimax releases a new limited-edition item that existing players have no hassle-free way to get (in this case, the wolfhound). Second, players get angry, flood forums and other social outlets begging for a way to get said item. Third, as if listening to the pleas of their valued customers, Zenimax decides to put said item up on the cash shop for everyone to buy. Of course, they would do this after the limited time offer is up, to be sure they can make as much money off of it as possible.
In only a couple of hours, they've already completed the first two steps. Now that we're all convinced that we're entitled to this item, they'll graciously give it to us, for a modest fee, of course.
Just some food for thought.
tl;drSpoilerThey'll give it to us later, after they squeeze as much money from steam as they can.-T h e - A l d m e r i - I n i t i a t i v e-— O r d e r - o f - t h e - R a v y n —5 -
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While this issue alone has not cause me reason to unsub combined with the Guar pet, rampant PVP exploiting (which ZOS can't even agree is an exploit) I am starting to ask myself more and more if this is a company I want to be doing business with.
I have mixed feelings because on one hand I watch podcast interviews with Developers and see and hear passionate people who give me faith in the game and on the I have a company which seems to have no qualms about taking a poop on their existing and loyal players who stayed with them through all the games issues since release.
I have been pretty whiny in this thread so far but I also tend to whine and rant with good structured arguments and feedback (at least I like to think I do) but yeah, just so damn annoyed right now that unless I drop another $40 on a game I already own I will never have access to an item in it.
After seeing how Carbine is treating their players, it's incredibly difficult to justify supporting ZOS as an organization. I love the game, but I truly am beginning to hate this company for the complete and total lack of consideration they afford their customers.
You don't make a decision like this and then not explain it.
You don't make a decision like this AT ALL.1 -
ebondeath✭✭✭✭✭jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »
LOL cookie accepted. Although I never felt were were really at war, Just slightly diffrent views.
But i do love cookies
I'm (generally) non-confrontational by nature. I don't really like arguing or debating, I just want to rant at the sky sometimes. Thus, the truce cookies so I can feel like I've made peace.
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While this issue alone has not cause me reason to unsub...
Almost nobody quits because of one thing. It is, as you said, when a combination of things add up to an, "I no longer want to give these guys money" moment.
Almost any straw can be the last one.Snit AD Sorc
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An honest question to all who are all worked up about this.
Why do you want a *** so bad? I only ask because as I stated before, I wouldn't mind one, but I guess I'm indifferent if I don't have it. I feel that way, because it does nothing for me... I can't send it to down to deposit mats in the bank, or deliver pots bak to me, etc. So there is no fuction to it.
As I said not bashing, just trying to better understand.
P.S. And I understand some are just dog lovers IRL, I am too. I love my RL dog, but I personal don't get the conection to a digital pet.0 -
Sighlynce✭✭✭If the dog has the same consistent bark it has in Skyrim.... They can have it.
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Damn thing was annoying as heck .. just sayin' .. But if not... well a little incentive would be nice. Let me see, played beta, payed a substantial amount for preorder , paid 6 mos sub , bought the palomino horse, Ya, a suprise in ye ole mail box would be appreciated "What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" - Paarthurnax3 -
Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »
Well in the original analogy they are not exatly the same purse, the second one had a new flashy gold ring or something like that.
I get it, in a way. I beta tested, bought Imp edition, would like a dog for a pet.
However, I won't let a digital pet that does nothing useful, get me all upset, claim to quit, and curse a game I enjoy, or the devolpers. Look no company is ever going to make 100% of its customers happy, other pets will come, i would be willing to bet other dogs included.
It's not that big of a deal...
It's better to be cool and diplomatic, but I would encourage people to voice there opinions about it.
It's been pointed out on this thread that ZOS have changed the policies because of the feedback.
My own view is this, any bonuses that involve new customers should be available to buy for existing customers. I also think that because it's a subscription based game these bonuses should be the only perks for sale. The bonus 'dog' for steam should replace the crab and both the crab and the dog should be in the shop. That way both deals would be the same, no one gets extra and ZOS still get an offer to advertise with, not to mention all the sales that people that have neither the steam or Zos imp editions will bring.
Result - everyone that can be happy is.1 -
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✭✭ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »The wolfhound vanity pet is a limited-time bonus available only to those who buy the Imperial Edition of The Elder Scrolls Online through Steam.
Well that's crap. Those of us who preordered the imperial edition would probably have preferred a dog pet to a crab.
I personally want a cat but still, wtf with preorder imperial customers unable to obtain this imperial edition dog pet?6 -
Catches_the_Sun✭✭✭✭✭jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »An honest question to all who are all worked up about this.
Why do you want a *** so bad? I only ask because as I stated before, I wouldn't mind one, but I guess I'm indifferent if I don't have it. I feel that way, because it does nothing for me... I can't send it to down to deposit mats in the bank, or deliver pots bak to me, etc. So there is no fuction to it.
As I said not bashing, just trying to better understand.
P.S. And I understand some are just dog lovers IRL, I am too. I love my RL dog, but I personal don't get the conection to a digital pet.
For me, it's the roleplaying aspect of it. My Redguard Swordmaster goes nowhere without his monkey. I've seen the list of available pets months ago over on Tamriel Foundry, and always envisioned my Nord Barbarian having a Wolfhound at his side, especially after reading the Hero's Guide book. It's part of my immersion in developing my characters.
Edit: I'll be happy with the retriever when they add ducks & a shotgun. Seriously, they just don't belong in Tamriel imo.
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✭jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »Why do you want a dog so bad? I only ask because as I stated before, I wouldn't mind one...
You've never noticed that other people sometimes want things you don't?
Vanity items produce reactions from "meh" to "MUST HAVE NOW," and people can fall anywhere along that spectrum. I have zero interest in the guar plush toy, but that doesn't leave me bewildered that others think it's awesome. And if they want it -- they can buy it. Unlike the wolfhound.Snit AD Sorc
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✭So I had to choose among a unknown animal, a monkey, a mudcrab, and those paying half now get a dog?
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Sighlynce✭✭✭I wonder if the new console players will get an exclusive Senche-tiger pet
... I mean none of us mind ... right? I mean we do have a monkey .. "What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" - Paarthurnax7 -
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✭So if I BUY the game again on Steam, and 'merge' it with my Imperial Edition current account, I get two mub crabs and two rings and a new dog?
Now if I rebuy the game and link it to my current account, if I get the 30 days that comes with the key, its not so bad (47-15 = 32 to have it on steam and get a second mud crap and a dog)
That's like 3 beers in town.
P.S. So there are steam cards, are there steam achievements (like the ones in game linked to here?)Edited by Natjur on July 17, 2014 8:55PM0 -
ebondeath✭✭✭✭✭jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »An honest question to all who are all worked up about this.
Why do you want a *** so bad? I only ask because as I stated before, I wouldn't mind one, but I guess I'm indifferent if I don't have it. I feel that way, because it does nothing for me... I can't send it to down to deposit mats in the bank, or deliver pots bak to me, etc. So there is no fuction to it.
As I said not bashing, just trying to better understand.
P.S. And I understand some are just dog lovers IRL, I am too. I love my RL dog, but I personal don't get the conection to a digital pet.
For some people, it's merely the principle of the thing.
Others are dedicated pet collectors in all the games they play.
Some people like to use them in their characters' stories for RP purposes.
And some people like having a non-human companion that follows them everywhere, they make the adventure less lonely.
I'm a mix of all of these. Plus I want to name it Meeko after the dog in Skyrim, I always took her home in every playthrough.
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on the bright side you could mara yourselfSo if I BUY the game again on Steam, and 'merge' it with my Imperial Edition current account, I get two mub crabs and two rings and a new dog?
PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
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✭✭✭✭✭jj69chevub17_ESO wrote: »An honest question to all who are all worked up about this.
Why do you want a *** so bad? I only ask because as I stated before, I wouldn't mind one, but I guess I'm indifferent if I don't have it. I feel that way, because it does nothing for me... I can't send it to down to deposit mats in the bank, or deliver pots bak to me, etc. So there is no fuction to it.
As I said not bashing, just trying to better understand.
P.S. And I understand some are just dog lovers IRL, I am too. I love my RL dog, but I personal don't get the conection to a digital pet.
For me as I have said in other posts it's somewhat of the principle of the thing.
I paid £70 for an Imperial Edition of the game at release and since then have paid for three months of play (as individual payments) remaining loyal to the game through all of the issues it has faced.
Now that company I have shown faith and support in are giving away the same thing I paid for at 40% less (I'm actually find with the discount) but giving away an item which can only be obtained if you make this purchase. This means that someone buying the Imperial Edition on Steam will be getting the game at 40% less and be getting an added extra for buying the game late and not having been a long term supporter.
If ZOS said this would be a free item for Steam purchasers but all other Imperial Edition members needed to buy it via the store for £2 I wouldn't be angry.
It's always been my belief that promotional exclusives are fine if they're free as a part of the promotion but everyone else has to buy it as a stand alone add-on.
As I said in a previous post I feel their store should look like this.
Standard Edition Game £50
Imperial Edition Game £70
Imperial Edition Upgrade £20
Store Mount £10
Explorers Pack £5 (pre-orders received this free as a promotion)
Monkey Pet £2 (Beta players received this free as a promotion)
Guar Pet £2 (Guar plushy purchasers received this as a free promotion)
Whiterun Wolf Pet £2 (Steam promotional purchases received this as a free promotion)
Now under this system every single member of the Elder Scrolls Online player base has access to all the same content as others. The only difference being those who took part in promotions of any kind gain some of the content free rather than paying an additional fee for it.
What bothers me the most with ZOS actions here and with every other game which does promotional items is that they do it in a way which not everyone has access to all the games content, even if that content is a pet or a mount.
As I said before it boggles my mind they haven't thought of or done the above because of all the extra money they could make from it and the ability to market their game as "no exclusive content" which in the gaming world today is a pretty awesome claim to make.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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DunosaurSoul ShrivenPersonally to me it's not entitlement, if this was offered stand alone like the 15 fudging dollar horse I wouldn't mind it's the fact they've put it in the imperial edition which is a insult to those who bought it you don't add things to a special edition after its out and sold and only allow new buyers those items it's a insult to the players who bought it day 1.
It doesn't matter if we never use it the point is this isn't standalone this is something they've added to an existing edition of the game and not willing to give it to those who already own the edition it is bad business.
Also I'd rather a one of the siamese cat hanging around ESO over the dog, like said it's not entitlement it's wrongful business practice you don't add stuff to an existing edition and not give it to everyone who already has it.~GAME ON!~8 -
You've never noticed that other people sometimes want things you don't?
Vanity items produce reactions from "meh" to "MUST HAVE NOW," and people can fall anywhere along that spectrum. I have zero interest in the guar plush toy, but that doesn't leave me bewildered that others think it's awesome. And if they want it -- they can buy it. Unlike the wolfhound.
No need to be snarkey about it.
Of course i understan some people like different things than me, I'm just dont understand how they can get so upset about it. Hence why I'm tring to get a better understandingEdited by jj69chevub17_ESO on July 17, 2014 8:52PM0
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