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1.3.0 Armor and Weapon Sets
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Maverick827✭✭✭✭✭
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Most MMOs don't have crafted gear being the best end game gear. Changing the set bonus of a dropped item is different than changing the set bonus of a crafted item.IcyDeadPeople wrote: »I have a question for all the players that are complaining that their gear will be changed. If ZoS keep the old crafting sets with the old bonuses and just create new ones with the new bonuses will you still complain? Because I am sure 90% of you will want to use the new sets, just different combinations.
I guess, keeping the old sets with the old bonuses will make them to the best magicka dps and healing sets for a long time. The new sets are nerfed to the ground and there is no good reason to use them. The peolple would simply stick to the old sets and never replace them.
Yes, it doesn't quite make sense to let people who have sets in their inventory keep the old bonuses and make it not possible to find or craft them.
For example, wouldn't those who didn't have 5/3/3 sets crafted before the patch complain about lack of balance when fighting players with grandfathered items?
I'm not very experienced with MMOs, but I gather it is typical that during the first year or two after release there are many changes to class abilities, item bonuses, etc.
Also, I don't remember my Rogue set bonus ever being changed to +Intelligence in WoW.3 -
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✭✭✭I wish someone from ZOS would explain why the buffs on crafted sets do not increase as more traits are required to craft them. For instance, let's compare the bonuses from the Magnus' Gift set which requires 4 traits and the Eyes of Mara set which requires 8 traits.
Magnus' Gift:
2 items = +78 Max Magicka
3 items = +10 Magicka Recovery
4 items = +7 Spell Damage
5 items = 8% chance to negate the cost of a spell
Eyes of Mara;
2 items = +10 Magicka Recovery
3 items = +78 Max Magicka
4 items = +7 Spell Damage
5 items = 12% Magicka cost reduction of Restoration Staff abilities
Why should I even bother researching all 8 traits when there are no worthwhile buffs on the items? The 6 and 8 trait set bonuses should be the best ones in the game but they are on the same level as the 2 and 3 trait sets. It is shameful.11 -
Zerikin✭For crafted sets they simply need to allow us to get our mats back if we want. This is a huge, much needed, change to sets in game, but it is not reasonable to make radical changes without compensation. I'll wait for official word on this before handing out the pitchforks.4
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Braddass✭✭✭mathias.botheb16_ESO wrote: »slopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »mathias.botheb16_ESO wrote: »this whining is unbelieveable. Did you pay your gear with your irreplaceable organs? ffs ... you have at least a month until this will hit live servers. Enough time to get twice the mats needed.
Not everyone lives at home with mommy and daddy some of us have jobs and a family so play time is not as forth coming as it is for the ones who play ESO 12+ hours more a day everyday. If i had that kind of time and no life then sure I probably would not have much to complain about :P
35 years old, 2 kids, wife, job, V12 full legendary DW Nightblade Werewolf. Deal with it.
You spend more time away from your wife and kids than I do ...
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Braddass✭✭✭I have a question for all the players that are complaining that their gear will be changed. If ZoS keep the old crafting sets with the old bonuses and just create new ones with the new bonuses will you still complain? Because I am sure 90% of you will want to use the new sets, just different combinations.
I would be happy with that ...1 -
demonlkojipub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭LonePirate wrote: »I wish someone from ZOS would explain why the buffs on crafted sets do not increase as more traits are required to craft them. For instance, let's compare the bonuses from the Magnus' Gift set which requires 4 traits and the Eyes of Mara set which requires 8 traits.
Magnus' Gift:
2 items = +78 Max Magicka
3 items = +10 Magicka Recovery
4 items = +7 Spell Damage
5 items = 8% chance to negate the cost of a spell
Eyes of Mara;
2 items = +10 Magicka Recovery
3 items = +78 Max Magicka
4 items = +7 Spell Damage
5 items = 12% Magicka cost reduction of Restoration Staff abilities
Why should I even bother researching all 8 traits when there are no worthwhile buffs on the items? The 6 and 8 trait set bonuses should be the best ones in the game but they are on the same level as the 2 and 3 trait sets. It is shameful.
I don't think its so bad that the bonuses aren't higher, but they should at least not be the same. What really needs to change is the 5 set bonus. I mean, Eyes of Mara looks way better for a restoration staff user for restoration skills now, be the rest idk... Shalidors curse apparently didn't even work before, and looks nerfed now, and the 2 fighters guild ones are meh especially Kagrenac's. Why a magicka set in the fighters guild :?.
I still see many 6 trait and below bonuses as better than any of those still, but that might be how they want it.... But if it is theres no reason research has to be so long. Nothing ultimately better is coming out of it, just "different".Edited by demonlkojipub19_ESO on July 11, 2014 3:11PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »My overall impression of the changes is positive, but I do not think nerfing Magicka was necessary to buff Stamina. I could go for a nerf to the spell damage cap OR a nerf to available Spell Crit, but doing both is overkill. However I am not as upset as many because, as an MMOer, I've always been able to roll with sweeping balance changes and come out better in the long run.
New spell damage cap is necessary. They raised magica softcap more then 400 points and spell damage is now obtainable with item sets. You want one shot ppl with meteor or standard? Also i dont this loosing 10% crit i so much pain.
Some of new sets are bad and some need slight nerf, but changes are very good. I dont understand ppl who cry about loosing legendary items. I have few sets, both legendary and epic and i gladly change them. Most MMO periodically change items sets and its good thing.
I am a Templar so I don't have access to banner and I don't use meteor. If banner and meteor need a nerf, nerf them directly not all magicka. This nerfs my heals really hard. It also just makes my pitiful, bottom of the charts PVE dps worse and more unappealing for trials runs.
I can understand being upset if someone has a full set of legendary gear and 3 or 4 alternate legendary weapons and alternate armor pieces for PVP and PVE. That said, I still like the change other than going slightly overkill on nerfing magicka. Just make new gear.
Like I said, overall I like the changes even if I do have some reservations.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)1 -
dafraorb16_ESO✭✭✭mathias.botheb16_ESO wrote: »this whining is unbelieveable. Did you pay your gear with your irreplaceable organs? ffs ... you have at least a month until this will hit live servers. Enough time to get twice the mats needed.
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dafraorb16_ESO✭✭✭slopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »mathias.botheb16_ESO wrote: »this whining is unbelieveable. Did you pay your gear with your irreplaceable organs? ffs ... you have at least a month until this will hit live servers. Enough time to get twice the mats needed.
Not everyone lives at home with mommy and daddy some of us have jobs and a family so play time is not as forth coming as it is for the ones who play ESO 12+ hours more a day everyday. If i had that kind of time and no life then sure I probably would not have much to complain about :P
rofl this game have the fastest and easy way to farm materials.
If you have problem to play 5 hour every week you should abandon a MMORPG3 -
demonlkojipub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I just finished deconning a purple set I had, now Im ready to decon this blue set and purple weapons I have. And then i will make new ones.
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heyguyslol✭✭✭dafraorb16_ESO wrote: »slopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »mathias.botheb16_ESO wrote: »this whining is unbelieveable. Did you pay your gear with your irreplaceable organs? ffs ... you have at least a month until this will hit live servers. Enough time to get twice the mats needed.
Not everyone lives at home with mommy and daddy some of us have jobs and a family so play time is not as forth coming as it is for the ones who play ESO 12+ hours more a day everyday. If i had that kind of time and no life then sure I probably would not have much to complain about :P
rofl this game have the fastest and easy way to farm materials.
If you have problem to play 5 hour every week you should abandon a MMORPG
The only optimal way to farm legendary upgrade mats is to have all 8 toons with max hirelings. Although I have done this not everyone has and the mats are all rng. Your statement is non-valid.
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✭✭I have a question for all the players that are complaining that their gear will be changed. If ZoS keep the old crafting sets with the old bonuses and just create new ones with the new bonuses will you still complain? Because I am sure 90% of you will want to use the new sets, just different combinations.
I guess, keeping the old sets with the old bonuses will make them to the best magicka dps and healing sets for a long time. The new sets are nerfed to the ground and there is no good reason to use them. The peolple would simply stick to the old sets and never replace them.
Greetings
Most people cannot understand that soft cap is raised with 500 each stat for health, magicka and stamina and with 100 for all regenerations. In order to reach soft cap now, you should use the new set bonuses. If you keep the old sets, what you will earn is 10% spell critical and 10% additional healing for 8 pieces? If you have more stamina or magicka + more regeneration that means more dps.
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Maverick827✭✭✭✭✭
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It is not easy to farm legendary upgrade materials.dafraorb16_ESO wrote: »slopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »mathias.botheb16_ESO wrote: »this whining is unbelieveable. Did you pay your gear with your irreplaceable organs? ffs ... you have at least a month until this will hit live servers. Enough time to get twice the mats needed.
Not everyone lives at home with mommy and daddy some of us have jobs and a family so play time is not as forth coming as it is for the ones who play ESO 12+ hours more a day everyday. If i had that kind of time and no life then sure I probably would not have much to complain about :P
rofl this game have the fastest and easy way to farm materials.
If you have problem to play 5 hour every week you should abandon a MMORPG0 -
IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Does anyone know how a Warlock set is changed?
Haven't come across it yet on PTS, but I would imagine it will require 5 pieces for the Magicka Flood bonus.0 -
Matuzes✭✭✭Here you go guys, more spellcaster love :
On the bright side, the enchantment can finally be replaced.
HereMatuzes - Imperial Nightblade
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StihlReign✭✭✭✭I really don't understand why many people are crying that they lost materials.
Will you *** the same way when level cap raises? It's ridiculous how many of you think you should "reimbursed".
Edit: You can deconstruct too so there is no problem. Hell for all you know your current sets will actually be better for the new play styles that may emerge from all the set and stat changes.
Deconstruction is one of the worst failures of the ESO Crafting System.
Master crafters get little to nothing from deconstructing. Deconstructing Legendary items is virtually useless in not only the amount, but the quality of material returned.
A legendary armor set costs about 205,000 gold in ESO's current economy.
Often players have more than one as well as weapons to consider.
To add insult to injury, trait sets are also bound, so they cannot be sold or transferred to other players. I'd be willing to pay a fee to unbind an item.
In the current state of ESO economy, high quality armor sets are useless once the wearer wants to upgrade or move to another set.
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heyguyslol✭✭✭
This is actually not to bad and the option to replace enchantment is fantastic.
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Matuzes✭✭✭leandro.800ub17_ESO wrote: »Any Unassailable Set Pics?
First post.StihlReign wrote: »A legendary armor set costs about 205,000 gold in ESO's current economy.
Often players have more than one as well as weapons to consider.
Its LEGENDARY item, it should not be cheap. Epic gear is only slightly worse and much much cheaper then legendary.
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Can the enchantment on the armor also be replaced?
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UnyieldingFlame✭✭✭Just ran Wayrest Sewers multiple times to check if the VR dungeon drops set bonuses were change however to bring distress news they have not change and are even more worthless now.. Compare to crafted and trials set now.
*Never mind only Arms of the inference set have not change.
Edited by UnyieldingFlame on July 11, 2014 5:29PM0 -
Poxheart✭✭✭✭✭Would somebody please post the changes to the Spectre's Eye set? (I didn't see it as I read through the thread).Unsubbed and no longer playing, but still checking the Alliance War forum for the lulz.
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mcmozes✭now they nerve arena set i just got it i am happy with the armor + but now u take it away and u add just that little amount off hp stamina and magicka wtf is this its useless items then u *** up the meaning off crafting stuff totally thats a *** change really0
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slopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »tino.antoninieb17_ESO wrote: »slopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »I do agree that stam builds should be balanced with magicka builds but the approach Zos is taking is not the way to do it. Stam players who are disgruntled about the current balance between magicka and stam are making non productive remarks and are in agreement with nerfing magicka builds which is not a very mature way to look at the problem.
Based on what I'm seeing from these changes it's literally going to break my entire build and force me to rebuild or quit the game. Changing the current gear sets so drastically is something I would expect from Blizzard Entertainment and is seriously making me think if I should continue playing eso. The fact that all my gear is legendary with legendary enchants is going to total of about 200k worth of gear that is now going to be obsolete.
I highly doubt if the tables were turned that stam build players would be happy about the gold loss and the loss of their builds.
These changes are seriously making me consider quitting the game because they are so drastic. Small changes for tweaks are ok and fine but these changes to me are consider game breaking not fixing.
Why u think that its fair that just stamina builds should suffer from financial cost of balancing? Because just stamina builds will benefit from it and it would be ok that we pay for it ? How strange sense for balance u have ....
You are putting words in my mouth. I never said stam builds should suffer from financial costs of balancing. I said and I quote, "I do agree that stam builds should be balanced with magicka builds but the approach Zos is taking is not the way to do it."
What if u dont have financial issues tied to this change ( if zos compensates u for the mats ) - would then this change will be ok with you ? If u say yes - then u are asking again for privilege from perspective of the guy who will have to put up those 200 k . If u say that you wouldn't still be ok with that change than please say what is actually bothering you ?
Nope, the financial issues are not the only problem as this change does break my build so no the change is not "OK" with me.
Game should be fair to both sides and we should play with equal chance to win.
/Agree
Smaller steps would give u more time to be great - is that what u are looking for ?
Absolutely, I have no problems replacing gear OVER TIME (weeks or months) but not by hitting a reset switch as Zos is doing. THIS IS THE LIVE GAME NOT THE BETA.
From launch till this patch release will be like 4 month of stam / magic imbalance and u are asking for more time ?
Again you are putting words in my mouth. All I'm asking for is for Zos to fix stam players without breaking magicka players which can be done very easily.
U think 200 k is to much ?
OK listen this i invested first in stamina gear , then i changed to magic , then i invested ( since some NB improvements) again in stamina and now i will have to invest again.
Of coarse 200k or more is to much unless u buy gold then its not. Furthermore thats 200k for just one set and a lot of us are running more than just one set for various builds. For example one of my guildies has 6 full sets of vr12 gear that he uses for dps, tank, pvp, ect. I haven't totaled up the entire cost of all his gear but to have that gear become useless is going to cost a lot more gold than just 200k again for those of us who farm gold legitimately without buying from 3rd party this is again an unacceptable change. A lot of us have spent weeks or even months to save up the mats/gold to get to our build/sets that we are using now.
I know u didnt screwed this balancing thing and i wish you all the best but game is suffering - not just stamina builds . We should all pay for ZOS mistake if we want to play at all .
Changes like this should have happened during beta not the live game. As I do agree any game/mmo will evolve to hopefully become a better game. However, the changes to the magicka player gear sets are unnecessary and unacceptable.
Mark my words if these changes go live ZoS/Eso will loose a lot of the player base and this will also have an effect of the future relase of the console version as there are going to be countless hate reviews posted because of this change.
I personally have already canceled my sub because of this and I will only re-sub if this is fixed.
Ok. Now just take a time to jump into my shoes and look at your answers from my perspective. You will understand that your way would prolong suffering and just cause additional financial cost on one side so ones who has been priviledged so far can continue with pleasant life of theirs. Yoe will unsub in moment when u are still wining - that is way of true champion. When u are long gone we will come around camp fire and tell stories about hero who left us and went for ethernety.0 -
mcmozes✭iam not happy with that changes off the arena set its a waste to craft it and make it golden now....0
