[SUGGESTION] Account wide achievements change.

Steinschlag

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Yep. Want this

Enodoc

Unsure

What they could do is have an account-wide "Locked"/"Unlocked" state, and once unlocked, the achievement could list which specific characters have achieved it. That way, the individual character achievement points are maintained, and you would still have to do all of one achievement on one character, but the achievement itself is considered complete regardless of which character is logged in.

The_Sadist

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I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

The bank is different - it's sharing things between friends. It's not sharing achievements - I can give you a thing, I can't give you an achievement because you haven't done it.

My main doesn't dye items for my lower characters - they aren't quite that vain

The loophole! I personally feel if you're adamant on having each character act as an individual you'd endeavor to make them as separate as possible by any means necessary. So while it's easy to say 'but it was a gift from Tod the Devourer to Princess Kim the Possible' I can say 'but maybe my other character was sitting in on the achievement.. in spirit form' or something equally as silly.. Like my main has x collectible and puts it a shared house which all my characters have access to.. or they assist with indirectly catching a rare fish via supplying the bait.. Pulling at threads I know, but eh.

I can respect that you're the only person so far who doesn't dye alts with ones unlocked by your main, but a majority of those who have posted thus far have claimed to want independence for immersion, which is there only argument, only to turn around and use dyes etc etc.

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

It doesn't make sense to me that characters should share any achievements (I'm not saying that it doesn't make sense, just not to my way of thinking).

And it doesn't make sense to me that "some" should be shared when others shouldn't.

Fishing is an example - one character achieving master angler has to visit ALL zones, which is not possible without progression, hence the achievement. The achievement is lessened if multiple characters are used to fish in non-VR zones.

Crafting - it seems logical that only the character that can do the crafting has the achievement.

Skyshards, exploration, dolmens, delves... how does it make sense for a character to have these "awards" if it hasn't been there and done that?

As I said, it doesn't make sense to me, but then maybe I have a peculiar take on achievements, awards and dyes - the only dye I've ever used is Coldharbour Ash Black.

And that's fine, only the opposite is true for me, it makes sense that certain achievements are shared.

Um, up until Craglorn was released any level could get the fishing achievement given they didn't stand near enemies who would smash their face in.

Crafting is more frustrating, having to max enchanting and whatnot 4-8 times alongside everything else is time consuming, expensive, and really unneeded. There is literally no reason to have every character with maxed crafts alongside all the motifs and whatnot, I've already spent over 500k gold on motifs (excluding the imperial one on alts) for my characters, a gold sink if anything. While I can understand this one, it still makes sense to me, but that's because I've played games where this was the case.

I never said skyshards, exploration, dolmens or delves would be shared, please read the initial post.

And that's great, but as a perfectionist completionist crazy person I'll want each of my 4 characters to all be equally as awesome, GW2 had a pretty rad achievement system in place and I guess I've been spoiled because of it.

Some_Jerk

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There's a lot of achievements. I would prefer if they were account wide

The_Sadist

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Been a little while since I bumped this thread, given the sudden influx of new console players I feel it's as relevant as ever. That being said, a majority probably haven't hit the point where they want to make alts, but still!

goodmrtumnus

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I am in favor of achievements being shared. This is something WoW did well. Achievements are largely account wide, but certain things, like titles, require that your altos at least be the appropriate level to use those. There is also a distinction visible for achievements not earned on that particular character.

The_Sadist

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With the upcoming change to collectibles and the fact a majority of console players have probably hit the point were making an alt is a very real prospect, I feel the thread requires a bump!

Nic727

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I think that more stuffs should be account wide as well as achievements:

- Achievements
- Motifs
- Research
- Items in bank like Destiny (maybe it's already here)

Tandor

Why not start a new thread rather than necro'ing one from 3 years ago? It'll be locked anyway.

That's if it's really necessary, there have been so many before. This particular idea has been flogged to death.

paulsimonps

@Nic727 Next time look at the last comment posted and which date that was, 2 year old thread here.

Nic727

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paulsimonps wrote: »

@Nic727 Next time look at the last comment posted and which date that was, 2 year old thread here.

I know its old, but if I post à new thread, people will say that this topic was already discussed... Also found this poll interesting.

NyassaV

I'm stilling waiting for this... And they gave us shield dying

paulsimonps

Nic727 wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

@Nic727 Next time look at the last comment posted and which date that was, 2 year old thread here.

I know its old, but if I post à new thread, people will say that this topic was already discussed... Also found this poll interesting.

@Nic727
Well its cause posting in really old thread usually gets the thread locked by a moderator cause its against forum rules.

EvilCroc

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Achievements - yes, titles - not. Everybody is happy.

Runschei

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Oh yes. I don't want to collect all the trophies obtainable from all kinds of creatures on all chars

Tandor

EvilCroc wrote: »

Achievements - yes, titles - not. Everybody is happy.

Not so, some of us don't want achievements to be account-wide either. The reasons are doubtless clearly stated here in the previous three years of discussion but in my case it's because my characters are all individual with different approaches so that I don't, for example, want my holy paladin style Templar who studiously avoids the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content automatically holding achievements from that content because it was done by my Dark Elf assassin style nightblade.

Also, my reason for playing multiple characters is to enjoy the content separately with each one and therefore they each earn their achievements by doing the related content. Ideally for me the CPs and dye unlocks would be character-based too but that would be largely unpopular. Given the different views I think the present system of having some things account-wide and others character-based strikes a fair balance.

However, I wouldn't personally have any problem with a character's achievement sheet holding a separate page listing all the achievements held across the account, although I suspect that those who struggle with performance would complain at the extra performance issues arising from the need to hold the additional data on a character.

Jade1986

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The_Sadist wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I don't want someone's level 3 alt walking around calling themselves 'Covenant Hero' or the equivalent.

If dyes are linked to achievements the character should have to earn them.

Since some are linked to specific choices made by a character that character should have to live with those choices.

Once again, outside of PvP when will your hypothetical veteran rank 12 meet a level 3? And why would you even care? People don't go about bragging about titles, they're purely cosmetic.

And once the character has earned them the dye should be locked to said character with no way to transfer to alts or friends, right? You can only dye your gear and use it on the character who has unlocked the colour.

Um, really? ALL achievements that I've seen can be completed regardless of choice. You may kill the evil mage or let me go, but you're still the hero who saved the day. The mortal choices you make have no impact on static achievements.

Not to mention a lot of people have name plates turned off because it becomes a fluster *** of crap everywhere.

paulsimonps

Tandor wrote: »

EvilCroc wrote: »

Achievements - yes, titles - not. Everybody is happy.

Not so, some of us don't want achievements to be account-wide either. The reasons are doubtless clearly stated here in the previous three years of discussion but in my case it's because my characters are all individual with different approaches so that I don't, for example, want my holy paladin style Templar who studiously avoids the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content automatically holding achievements from that content because it was done by my Dark Elf assassin style nightblade.

Also, my reason for playing multiple characters is to enjoy the content separately with each one and therefore they each earn their achievements by doing the related content. Ideally for me the CPs and dye unlocks would be character-based too but that would be largely unpopular. Given the different views I think the present system of having some things account-wide and others character-based strikes a fair balance.

However, I wouldn't personally have any problem with a character's achievement sheet holding a separate page listing all the achievements held across the account, although I suspect that those who struggle with performance would complain at the extra performance issues arising from the need to hold the additional data on a character.

This makes zero fricking sense. There is no downside to account wide achievements. It helps those that want to play on multiple toons but want to collect all the achievements do so far more easily and doesn't force achievement hunters to play on just one character.

NewBlacksmurf

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I'd say yes while it's not locked as it's a very old thread but just as pertinent today to discuss.

Tandor

paulsimonps wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

EvilCroc wrote: »

Achievements - yes, titles - not. Everybody is happy.

Not so, some of us don't want achievements to be account-wide either. The reasons are doubtless clearly stated here in the previous three years of discussion but in my case it's because my characters are all individual with different approaches so that I don't, for example, want my holy paladin style Templar who studiously avoids the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content automatically holding achievements from that content because it was done by my Dark Elf assassin style nightblade.

Also, my reason for playing multiple characters is to enjoy the content separately with each one and therefore they each earn their achievements by doing the related content. Ideally for me the CPs and dye unlocks would be character-based too but that would be largely unpopular. Given the different views I think the present system of having some things account-wide and others character-based strikes a fair balance.

However, I wouldn't personally have any problem with a character's achievement sheet holding a separate page listing all the achievements held across the account, although I suspect that those who struggle with performance would complain at the extra performance issues arising from the need to hold the additional data on a character.

This makes zero fricking sense. There is no downside to account wide achievements. It helps those that want to play on multiple toons but want to collect all the achievements do so far more easily and doesn't force achievement hunters to play on just one character.

There is the downside!

It's fine for those who have a main character and only roll alts with a view to doing very little on them except grind the quickest way to 50 in order to enable them to be used in PvP or whatever. It's not fine for those of us who run multiple characters as equal individuals and want to level normally through the game with them, each earning their appropriate achievements rather than being handed them on a plate because a different character has already done them.

paulsimonps

Tandor wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

EvilCroc wrote: »

Achievements - yes, titles - not. Everybody is happy.

Not so, some of us don't want achievements to be account-wide either. The reasons are doubtless clearly stated here in the previous three years of discussion but in my case it's because my characters are all individual with different approaches so that I don't, for example, want my holy paladin style Templar who studiously avoids the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content automatically holding achievements from that content because it was done by my Dark Elf assassin style nightblade.

Also, my reason for playing multiple characters is to enjoy the content separately with each one and therefore they each earn their achievements by doing the related content. Ideally for me the CPs and dye unlocks would be character-based too but that would be largely unpopular. Given the different views I think the present system of having some things account-wide and others character-based strikes a fair balance.

However, I wouldn't personally have any problem with a character's achievement sheet holding a separate page listing all the achievements held across the account, although I suspect that those who struggle with performance would complain at the extra performance issues arising from the need to hold the additional data on a character.

This makes zero fricking sense. There is no downside to account wide achievements. It helps those that want to play on multiple toons but want to collect all the achievements do so far more easily and doesn't force achievement hunters to play on just one character.

There is the downside!

It's fine for those who have a main character and only roll alts with a view to doing very little on them except grind the quickest way to 50 in order to enable them to be used in PvP or whatever. It's not fine for those of us who run multiple characters as equal individuals and want to level normally through the game with them, each earning their appropriate achievements rather than being handed them on a plate because a different character has already done them.

WHAT DO YOU LOSE FROM HAVING THOSE ACHIEVEMENTS ON THOSE TOONS?! Is this about immersion or something? Cause that is a weak argument.

TarrNokk

Against (please provide reasoning if possible)

Is complete nonsense. Why? Because you already reached the goal, getting this achievement. If you see it on every new toon or not, it's just cosmetics. One exception I see on the dye colors, but still you can dye the clothes on the other toon which did the achievement.

Cpt_Teemo

I think any achievement that rewards something should have been account wide tbh.

Kuramas9tails

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@paulsimonps Are you kidding me?

I am doing undaunted on my characters. Undaunted experience grows faster doing achievements in dungeons. If my main already completed them, that SLOWS down my experience gain on my other characters Undaunted leveling.

Achievements on a toon = more experience.

rhapsodious

Against (please provide reasoning if possible)

I like the feeling of having dedicated myself to a character and having truly done just about everything on her. I feel like there's enough account-wide things such as collectibles and dyes to signify that you've done the content on the account. It's not something I feel super strongly about, though. Just prefer it to be kept to characters.

Number_51

Against (please provide reasoning if possible)

paulsimonps wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

EvilCroc wrote: »

Achievements - yes, titles - not. Everybody is happy.

Not so, some of us don't want achievements to be account-wide either. The reasons are doubtless clearly stated here in the previous three years of discussion but in my case it's because my characters are all individual with different approaches so that I don't, for example, want my holy paladin style Templar who studiously avoids the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content automatically holding achievements from that content because it was done by my Dark Elf assassin style nightblade.

Also, my reason for playing multiple characters is to enjoy the content separately with each one and therefore they each earn their achievements by doing the related content. Ideally for me the CPs and dye unlocks would be character-based too but that would be largely unpopular. Given the different views I think the present system of having some things account-wide and others character-based strikes a fair balance.

However, I wouldn't personally have any problem with a character's achievement sheet holding a separate page listing all the achievements held across the account, although I suspect that those who struggle with performance would complain at the extra performance issues arising from the need to hold the additional data on a character.

This makes zero fricking sense. There is no downside to account wide achievements. It helps those that want to play on multiple toons but want to collect all the achievements do so far more easily and doesn't force achievement hunters to play on just one character.

There is the downside!

It's fine for those who have a main character and only roll alts with a view to doing very little on them except grind the quickest way to 50 in order to enable them to be used in PvP or whatever. It's not fine for those of us who run multiple characters as equal individuals and want to level normally through the game with them, each earning their appropriate achievements rather than being handed them on a plate because a different character has already done them.

WHAT DO YOU LOSE FROM HAVING THOSE ACHIEVEMENTS ON THOSE TOONS?! Is this about immersion or something? Cause that is a weak argument.

I LOSE BRAGGING RIGHTS FOR HAVING LEVELED A PACIFIST TOON 1-50 WITHOUT EVER HAVING KILLED ANYTHING!! How can I prove it without screenshots showing 0 kills in the related achievement section just because every other character of mine is a mass murderer?

FWIW I'm not against a section, or tab, or whatever, that shows account-wide achievements so long as achievements themselves remain character specific.

Tandor

paulsimonps wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

EvilCroc wrote: »

Achievements - yes, titles - not. Everybody is happy.

Not so, some of us don't want achievements to be account-wide either. The reasons are doubtless clearly stated here in the previous three years of discussion but in my case it's because my characters are all individual with different approaches so that I don't, for example, want my holy paladin style Templar who studiously avoids the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content automatically holding achievements from that content because it was done by my Dark Elf assassin style nightblade.

Also, my reason for playing multiple characters is to enjoy the content separately with each one and therefore they each earn their achievements by doing the related content. Ideally for me the CPs and dye unlocks would be character-based too but that would be largely unpopular. Given the different views I think the present system of having some things account-wide and others character-based strikes a fair balance.

However, I wouldn't personally have any problem with a character's achievement sheet holding a separate page listing all the achievements held across the account, although I suspect that those who struggle with performance would complain at the extra performance issues arising from the need to hold the additional data on a character.

This makes zero fricking sense. There is no downside to account wide achievements. It helps those that want to play on multiple toons but want to collect all the achievements do so far more easily and doesn't force achievement hunters to play on just one character.

There is the downside!

It's fine for those who have a main character and only roll alts with a view to doing very little on them except grind the quickest way to 50 in order to enable them to be used in PvP or whatever. It's not fine for those of us who run multiple characters as equal individuals and want to level normally through the game with them, each earning their appropriate achievements rather than being handed them on a plate because a different character has already done them.

WHAT DO YOU LOSE FROM HAVING THOSE ACHIEVEMENTS ON THOSE TOONS?! Is this about immersion or something? Cause that is a weak argument.

I want to play the game on all my characters, not on just one and have the rest ride through on his/her coat-tails. When each character achieves something I want it to mean something, not be meaningless because my account is already credited with that achievement anyway. How difficult is that to understand? It's how those of us who play multiple characters fully want to do things, but I quite accept that those who want to go straight from the character creation screen to Skyreach and stay there until they're level 50 then find it frustrating because that character doesn't have any achievements - but that's because that character hasn't achieved anything!

LadyNalcarya

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I really really want account-wide achievements.
This way, I would have a lot more stuff to do... I'm an altaholic, and I dont play 24/7, so getting even 20k achievement points is virtually impossible for me (despite the fact that I cleared all pve endgame content and have many "rare" achievements). One of my chars does all the crafting and questing... But I cant get pvp achievements on that char since I pvp for another alliance. Same for dungeon and trial achievements, because that char is a khajiit dk, and I dont really like stam dk gameplay. Also I dont want to buy all those expensive motifs for my combat chars or do DB/TG quests on my healer... Etc.
So atm I dont care about achievements. But if they would be shared, it wouldnt be a problem.

Nic727

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The thing being discussed here is about how many characters you have.

One type of player play multiple character at the same time and want to earn something for each individual.

The other type of player like me like to only focus on one character and if I earn something, I want it to stick with me.

I think a toggle in the options to allow account wide motifs/achievements/titles could be a great solution for both type of players.

SaintSubwayy

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Kuramas9tails wrote: »

@paulsimonps Are you kidding me?

I am doing undaunted on my characters. Undaunted experience grows faster doing achievements in dungeons. If my main already completed them, that SLOWS down my experience gain on my other characters Undaunted leveling.

Achievements on a toon = more experience.

First good reason against it I heard of

Maybe make it that each achievment gets a Namelist on which char you got it from, so you could make the undaunted with each toon