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Skimpy armors
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Eivar✭✭✭✭NoMaverick827 wrote: »
External Consistency: Consistency with the real world.
The fictional universe is Like Reality Unless Noted. Violations of external consistency are "unrealistic."
You mean to tell me there's nobody in the real world that puts on skimpy dresses?
so you're implying there is a secret clan of bikini clad ninjas out there wading into combat wearing 3 cloth triangles and some string?
Have you been to the Amazon? Did you know some amazonian tribes are still cut off from the world? They fight naked, they hunt naked. After all these years, they're still, naked.
what are their mortality rates like? do they have massive battles over territory with large armies? do they siege keeps, use flaming oil and other nastiness on eadch other?
1. They are still alive. And population grows despite migration outwards and zero influx.
2. Does wearing skimpy clothes means you need to engage in massive battles and siege keeps with flaming oil and nastiness? If flaming oil is your concern, I highly doubt that armour of yours could help you, it would in fact act as an oven, and your skin in contact with metal would receive burns. The flames might even get in and you have fire within.
1. you realize armor was created for a reason, and it wasn't prudishness. Had they worn armor of some type there would be a lot more and their society would be much different.
2. again missed the point completely, i mean like wow seriously missed it. i don't even know that i have the patience to try to explain this to you.0 -
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✭✭✭NoA most emphatic NO. I'm fine with things like Medium armor along the lines of the Reachmen in skyrim, perhaps some of the falmer armor, etc. One thing I greatly appreciate in the TES games is the fact that characters can be ugly, dirty, and dingy. Sometimes they take it overboard (medieval people weren't really the scum that people take them for in popular history) in some games but I think its a pretty fair balance here. If you go out on the battlefield and want heavy armor modification but you want your *** showing, or your *** dangling, I most emphatically say no. If you want to mod your game so everyone is naked, go for it. I just don't want the immersion breaking experience of having to see you stupidly run around in your underpants (or worse) and not have you also face the consequences for doing so.
This isn't about oversexualization, its not about degradation of women (both of which are true). Pure and simple this is about immersion, and I just can't accept someone taking an axe to the chest in their underpants (or less). Its stupid and immersion breaking. Its already a fantasy world, don't make it so ridiculous I can't stand to be here. I'm fine with Light armor having skimpy options. I'm fine with medium armor having semi skimpy options. If you want heavy armor to do that, go home, because that is preposterous. I'm sick and tired of this in games. I love the fact that YOU can mod your game to make everyone naked if you want, but it doesn't effect me. I don't like the idea that you can possibly look even more ridiculous than you probably already look. No No, NO NO NO NO. No NO. NO. No. and again NO.
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Eivar✭✭✭✭NoMaverick827 wrote: »If you don't understand that a fantasy world needs to obey its own established rules, then you have no business posting in this topic.seems like you don't understand the context. we're talking tolkein-esque fantasy realms, not that fantasy you have of mila kunis sitting in your lap.
What rules? I'm pretty sure that there are no fantasy rules about the conservativeness of what people wear. Tolkein didn't make up rules, he wrote a story. In his story people wore...whatever it is that they wore. That is irrelevant to any other person's stories.
The world is full of people that dress and act differently from each other. You want realism? That is the reality. People look, dress, and act differently than you do. It would be highly realistic to see that diversity in the game.
So you seem to have missed my point COMPLETELY.
I mentioned tolkein as a way to show the differences context makes when using the word fantasy. A tolkein-esque world is a world of "High fantasy" with things like magic and elves, etc etc. Not "hey you shut up tolkein said no skimpy armor!" The argument is that in a world where people need armor to protect themselves.....you need armor to protect yourself. if the answer is simply i gotz magic ahrmur spellz, then no one would need to wear armor, and it wouldn't exist. Since the ES world has armor, that obviously isn't the case.
OK, go tell it to Gandalf, that his armor is not enough metalic and that if you would you can hit him anytime.
Noone says the magic armor is widely available so everyone will be using it.
lol gandalf has nothing to do with TES, that's a different world with it's own rules....but if you read the books he does very little direct combat, so why would he need armor?
I guess I should quote myself:The argument is that in a world where people need armor to protect themselves.....you need armor to protect yourself.
that world i'm talking about there, thats the ES universe, where people need armor.
Did anyone specify that Skimpy Armor excludes Light Armor of which does not involve *much direct combat?
*edit
I'm really not sure what you are trying to say there, that didn't make much sense to me.1 -
Asasinka✭✭✭YesMaverick827 wrote: »If you don't understand that a fantasy world needs to obey its own established rules, then you have no business posting in this topic.seems like you don't understand the context. we're talking tolkein-esque fantasy realms, not that fantasy you have of mila kunis sitting in your lap.
What rules? I'm pretty sure that there are no fantasy rules about the conservativeness of what people wear. Tolkein didn't make up rules, he wrote a story. In his story people wore...whatever it is that they wore. That is irrelevant to any other person's stories.
The world is full of people that dress and act differently from each other. You want realism? That is the reality. People look, dress, and act differently than you do. It would be highly realistic to see that diversity in the game.
So you seem to have missed my point COMPLETELY.
I mentioned tolkein as a way to show the differences context makes when using the word fantasy. A tolkein-esque world is a world of "High fantasy" with things like magic and elves, etc etc. Not "hey you shut up tolkein said no skimpy armor!" The argument is that in a world where people need armor to protect themselves.....you need armor to protect yourself. if the answer is simply i gotz magic ahrmur spellz, then no one would need to wear armor, and it wouldn't exist. Since the ES world has armor, that obviously isn't the case.
OK, go tell it to Gandalf, that his armor is not enough metalic and that if you would you can hit him anytime.
Noone says the magic armor is widely available so everyone will be using it.
lol gandalf has nothing to do with TES, that's a different world with it's own rules....but if you read the books he does very little direct combat, so why would he need armor?
I guess I should quote myself:The argument is that in a world where people need armor to protect themselves.....you need armor to protect yourself.
that world i'm talking about there, thats the ES universe, where people need armor.
Even if you read whole lore you can't presume everyone needs to be using armor.
Even if we did, there's always an option to use magic armor.
Before you respond that noone will carry armor when there's magic armor - everyone has the option to use it and it's not given that it will be so widespread so everyone can use it.I'm fighting for a higher purpose0 -
Eivar✭✭✭✭NoHandofBane wrote: »
But people here don't need armor. We have Bound Armor spells available, and jewelry enchants that increase armor protections...
Bound armor and spiked armor are class specific deals, so not everyone has or can use them, so could one of those classes get away with "skimpy' armor? yes, but in combat itself they'd have their armor affects up and the vulnerable parts of the body would be armored. also as far as enchants go, i don't know of any that increase armor......there are spell and element resistances....and block but that's more of a skill improvement.0 -
Bhakura✭✭✭✭Yesdodgehopper_ESO wrote: »If you go out on the battlefield and want heavy armor modification but you want your *** showing, or your *** dangling, I most emphatically say no. If you want to mod your game so everyone is naked, go for it. I just don't want the immersion breaking experience of having to see you stupidly run around in your underpants (or worse) and not have you also face the consequences for doing so.
And all nay-sayers immediately assume this is whats asked ... SKIMPY = / = PRON
Edited by Bhakura on May 25, 2014 11:11PM1 -
HandofBane✭✭✭✭Yes1. you realize armor was created for a reason, and it wasn't prudishness. Had they worn armor of some type there would be a lot more and their society would be much different.
Armor was made and used because some people had lots of sharp pointy things that other people felt they were not fast enough to avoid being hit by. There were also many cultures who went armorless, or even in the nude in combat, in direct conflict with some of the best armored armies of their day (see: Celts vs Rome for just one example). You can't even really say that those underarmored forces got steamrolled by the armored forces, because the Emperor Hadrian had to build a big ass wall across a good portion of Britain just to keep those angry naked people from attacking their forts, because his armies could not wipe them out successfully.2 -
Aeradon✭✭✭✭✭YesMaverick827 wrote: »
External Consistency: Consistency with the real world.
The fictional universe is Like Reality Unless Noted. Violations of external consistency are "unrealistic."
You mean to tell me there's nobody in the real world that puts on skimpy dresses?
so you're implying there is a secret clan of bikini clad ninjas out there wading into combat wearing 3 cloth triangles and some string?
Have you been to the Amazon? Did you know some amazonian tribes are still cut off from the world? They fight naked, they hunt naked. After all these years, they're still, naked.
what are their mortality rates like? do they have massive battles over territory with large armies? do they siege keeps, use flaming oil and other nastiness on eadch other?
1. They are still alive. And population grows despite migration outwards and zero influx.
2. Does wearing skimpy clothes means you need to engage in massive battles and siege keeps with flaming oil and nastiness? If flaming oil is your concern, I highly doubt that armour of yours could help you, it would in fact act as an oven, and your skin in contact with metal would receive burns. The flames might even get in and you have fire within.
1. you realize armor was created for a reason, and it wasn't prudishness. Had they worn armor of some type there would be a lot more and their society would be much different.
2. again missed the point completely, i mean like wow seriously missed it. i don't even know that i have the patience to try to explain this to you.
1. Armor in ESO is mainly a stat. Armor in real life is to prevent heavy damage upon first clash with enemies, it is not as protective as what you might think it should be. The really reinforced ones are so heavy it could only be used on a horse. Ores are a scarcity in real life, do you really think all soldiers are fully plated? They'll be lucky if given a sword.
2. Did anybody mention that Skimpy Armor is supposed to provide an armour boost like the other armours? You assume it does. Can any player run away from battle before engaging? That's right, they can.
Will you survive flaming oil without heals? If you need heals to survive, so can players with Skimpy Armors use heals to survive.People keep telling me they're gonna buy me an ale. They never do.
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HandofBane✭✭✭✭Yesalso as far as enchants go, i don't know of any that increase armor......there are spell and element resistances....and block but that's more of a skill improvement.
Deteri essence rune is Armor - combine with a positive potency rune and aspect of your choice and you get an Increase Armor jewelry glyph.0 -
Eivar✭✭✭✭NoHandofBane wrote: »1. you realize armor was created for a reason, and it wasn't prudishness. Had they worn armor of some type there would be a lot more and their society would be much different.
Armor was made and used because some people had lots of sharp pointy things that other people felt they were not fast enough to avoid being hit by. There were also many cultures who went armorless, or even in the nude in combat, in direct conflict with some of the best armored armies of their day (see: Celts vs Rome for just one example). You can't even really say that those underarmored forces got steamrolled by the armored forces, because the Emperor Hadrian had to build a big ass wall across a good portion of Britain just to keep those angry naked people from attacking their forts, because his armies could not wipe them out successfully.
That may be, but that sounds like a numbers game, and you can't argue how many of those naked warriors might have surived had they been wearing armor of some type. saying 1000 naked warriors can kill 10 armored isn't suprising, saying 10 naked warriors were steamrolled by 5 in armor wouldn't be suprising either.0 -
Bhakura✭✭✭✭Yes
That may be, but that sounds like a numbers game, and you can't argue how many of those naked warriors might have surived had they been wearing armor of some type. saying 1000 naked warriors can kill 10 armored isn't suprising, saying 10 naked warriors were steamrolled by 5 in armor wouldn't be suprising either.
Conan just had a loincloth and steamrolled everyone single handed.
Well he did have a big sword and bigger muscles.
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Eivar✭✭✭✭NoHandofBane wrote: »also as far as enchants go, i don't know of any that increase armor......there are spell and element resistances....and block but that's more of a skill improvement.
Deteri essence rune is Armor - combine with a positive potency rune and aspect of your choice and you get an Increase Armor jewelry glyph.
I had forgotten about that one, that's cool, still not a substitute for a full set of armor, but i suppose that's something.1 -
Eivar✭✭✭✭NoMaverick827 wrote: »
External Consistency: Consistency with the real world.
The fictional universe is Like Reality Unless Noted. Violations of external consistency are "unrealistic."
You mean to tell me there's nobody in the real world that puts on skimpy dresses?
so you're implying there is a secret clan of bikini clad ninjas out there wading into combat wearing 3 cloth triangles and some string?
Have you been to the Amazon? Did you know some amazonian tribes are still cut off from the world? They fight naked, they hunt naked. After all these years, they're still, naked.
what are their mortality rates like? do they have massive battles over territory with large armies? do they siege keeps, use flaming oil and other nastiness on eadch other?
1. They are still alive. And population grows despite migration outwards and zero influx.
2. Does wearing skimpy clothes means you need to engage in massive battles and siege keeps with flaming oil and nastiness? If flaming oil is your concern, I highly doubt that armour of yours could help you, it would in fact act as an oven, and your skin in contact with metal would receive burns. The flames might even get in and you have fire within.
1. you realize armor was created for a reason, and it wasn't prudishness. Had they worn armor of some type there would be a lot more and their society would be much different.
2. again missed the point completely, i mean like wow seriously missed it. i don't even know that i have the patience to try to explain this to you.
1. Armor in ESO is mainly a stat. Armor in real life is to prevent heavy damage upon first clash with enemies, it is not as protective as what you might think it should be. The really reinforced ones are so heavy it could only be used on a horse. Ores are a scarcity in real life, do you really think all soldiers are fully plated? They'll be lucky if given a sword.
2. Did anybody mention that Skimpy Armor is supposed to provide an armour boost like the other armours? You assume it does. Can any player run away from battle before engaging? That's right, they can.
Will you survive flaming oil without heals? If you need heals to survive, so can players with Skimpy Armors use heals to survive.
1. So you're implying that they didn't add armor to this world for the same function it has in the real world? I don't know when this discussion became about full plate mail, armor whether leather armor or plate is still armor. leather armor protects much better than naked skin.
2. If that's your point then why not put on a disguise with no armor and run around, since you're not asking for actual armor value.0 -
Adramelach✭✭✭YesMaverick827 wrote: »
No, problem not solved. Read the damn thread, your argument is invalid.Adramelach wrote: »As for the "realism" argument, it's ridiculous.
Here's the non-lore-breaking, obvious solution:
We already can craft rings and necklaces that enhance armor. Clearly, the simple and clear reason skimpy armor protects the same as non-skimpy is *magic*. The skimpy armor simply comes with automatic, built-in armor enhancement that stacks with any "normal" enchantment you'd like to put on it.
Problem solved, realism argument finished.
Of course it's valid. Many people have said "that armor wouldn't work in RL because obviously you have to have the armor covering the skin you want protected, it's ARMOR" and that kind of thing.
Well, the obvious counter-argument is the existence of rings and necklaces of armor. Their very existence completely removes any and all arguments that some kind of physical "layer" or "thing" has to be present and on top of skin that's to be protected. Someone completely naked could have a powerful ring and/or necklace on and be more fully armored than a low-to-mid level character.
Therefore, saying that there's any "real life" justification for having actual material cover places that require armoring flies in the face of that magical reality, and is quite simply wrong.
So, again, you simply posit the existence of ring or necklace-like empowerments on the "skimpy" armor and you *have* solved the problem. You can easily and directly explain the existance of a bikini that protects as well as, if not better than, a full head-to-to steel suit of plate.
And, thus, there's absolutely NO "realism" basis to any argument stating that armor "must" have any qualities to it, such as physically covering anything at all (exhibit A: rings and necklaces).
Edited by Adramelach on May 25, 2014 11:23PM2 -
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✭No
I clearly overestimated your abilities of comprehension.Maverick827 wrote: »You read the one part of that page that doesn't apply to the topic. Read the others.
Are there specific lines that I'm supposed to read, and specific lines that I'm supposed to skip because you want me to? And I'm wrong if I do not follow your rules?
So the article you posted has valid and invalid points? So how trustworthy is that article if it contradicts itself?0 -
HandofBane✭✭✭✭YesHandofBane wrote: »also as far as enchants go, i don't know of any that increase armor......there are spell and element resistances....and block but that's more of a skill improvement.
Deteri essence rune is Armor - combine with a positive potency rune and aspect of your choice and you get an Increase Armor jewelry glyph.
I had forgotten about that one, that's cool, still not a substitute for a full set of armor, but i suppose that's something.
Being fair, light armor in general hardly can be counted as armor for how little damage it mitigates. Is a bathrobe really going to stop a sword much better than, say, a halter top and tight pants (which exist ingame now! Argonian style low level medium armor)?1 -
Eivar✭✭✭✭No
That may be, but that sounds like a numbers game, and you can't argue how many of those naked warriors might have surived had they been wearing armor of some type. saying 1000 naked warriors can kill 10 armored isn't suprising, saying 10 naked warriors were steamrolled by 5 in armor wouldn't be suprising either.
Conan just had a loincloth and steamrolled everyone single handed.
Well he did have a big sword and bigger muscles.
Conan doesn't live on nirn, and is an overstatement of prowess and fortitude because it makes for good movies :P1 -
HandofBane✭✭✭✭Yes
That may be, but that sounds like a numbers game, and you can't argue how many of those naked warriors might have surived had they been wearing armor of some type. saying 1000 naked warriors can kill 10 armored isn't suprising, saying 10 naked warriors were steamrolled by 5 in armor wouldn't be suprising either.
Conan just had a loincloth and steamrolled everyone single handed.
Well he did have a big sword and bigger muscles.
Conan doesn't live on nirn, and is an overstatement of prowess and fortitude because it makes for good movies :P
Robert E Howard is crying in his grave right now.2 -
Eivar✭✭✭✭NoHandofBane wrote: »HandofBane wrote: »also as far as enchants go, i don't know of any that increase armor......there are spell and element resistances....and block but that's more of a skill improvement.
Deteri essence rune is Armor - combine with a positive potency rune and aspect of your choice and you get an Increase Armor jewelry glyph.
I had forgotten about that one, that's cool, still not a substitute for a full set of armor, but i suppose that's something.
Being fair, light armor in general hardly can be counted as armor for how little damage it mitigates. Is a bathrobe really going to stop a sword much better than, say, a halter top and tight pants (which exist ingame now! Argonian style low level medium armor)?
I don't disagree there, though you should check out the mythbusters episode dealing with cloth armor, which was historically used, but that style of armor is nowhere near what is represented in game, also I agree about the argonian armors, they should prolly be changed to suit their own rules, or have their armor values lowered.0 -
Eivar✭✭✭✭No
You mean like red sonja? she doesn't live on nirn either lol.Edited by Eivar on May 25, 2014 11:29PM0 -
Aeradon✭✭✭✭✭YesMaverick827 wrote: »
External Consistency: Consistency with the real world.
The fictional universe is Like Reality Unless Noted. Violations of external consistency are "unrealistic."
You mean to tell me there's nobody in the real world that puts on skimpy dresses?
so you're implying there is a secret clan of bikini clad ninjas out there wading into combat wearing 3 cloth triangles and some string?
Have you been to the Amazon? Did you know some amazonian tribes are still cut off from the world? They fight naked, they hunt naked. After all these years, they're still, naked.
what are their mortality rates like? do they have massive battles over territory with large armies? do they siege keeps, use flaming oil and other nastiness on eadch other?
1. They are still alive. And population grows despite migration outwards and zero influx.
2. Does wearing skimpy clothes means you need to engage in massive battles and siege keeps with flaming oil and nastiness? If flaming oil is your concern, I highly doubt that armour of yours could help you, it would in fact act as an oven, and your skin in contact with metal would receive burns. The flames might even get in and you have fire within.
1. you realize armor was created for a reason, and it wasn't prudishness. Had they worn armor of some type there would be a lot more and their society would be much different.
2. again missed the point completely, i mean like wow seriously missed it. i don't even know that i have the patience to try to explain this to you.
1. Armor in ESO is mainly a stat. Armor in real life is to prevent heavy damage upon first clash with enemies, it is not as protective as what you might think it should be. The really reinforced ones are so heavy it could only be used on a horse. Ores are a scarcity in real life, do you really think all soldiers are fully plated? They'll be lucky if given a sword.
2. Did anybody mention that Skimpy Armor is supposed to provide an armour boost like the other armours? You assume it does. Can any player run away from battle before engaging? That's right, they can.
Will you survive flaming oil without heals? If you need heals to survive, so can players with Skimpy Armors use heals to survive.
1. So you're implying that they didn't add armor to this world for the same function it has in the real world? I don't know when this discussion became about full plate mail, armor whether leather armor or plate is still armor. leather armor protects much better than naked skin.
2. If that's your point then why not put on a disguise with no armor and run around, since you're not asking for actual armor value.
1. How are virtual items supposed to have the same function compared to actual world?? The armours are merely values, calculations, created by the developers with no link to reality. Reality is a much more complex RNG that nobody understands. Yes, you are right, no matter what armour it is, it's better than skin, so why can't someone wear Skimpy Armor when they go for some random ninja fight you proposed?
2. That, is exactly what I did after level 34. I got so fed up with changing armours and repairing, I reach VR1 with all armours broken since 34. I'm sure a lot of people do this as well.
*edit: from 10-50 I run naked in Cyrodiil. Stats are boosted.Edited by Aeradon on May 25, 2014 11:31PMPeople keep telling me they're gonna buy me an ale. They never do.
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twev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesNo.
You want skimpy? Leave your cuirass slot empty. Get an enchanter to craft you an armor glyph for a ring to make up the armor difference.
You never 'make up the armor difference.'.
If I was going to add 200 armor with a ring to 'make up the armor difference.', I'd just add it to my armor and have more.
Maths aint hard
Lets just cut out all that body adornment and hairstyle/jewelry/eyecolor/tattoo stuff from character creation because once it's covered up by heavy armor it's all just useless code and overhead on the server anyway.Edited by twev on May 25, 2014 11:33PMThe problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.1 -
Yes
I find a lack of cohesion in your comprehension.Eorea wrote:No
:P You just don't like that more of us voted no.
The Title and Poll never stated male or female, just "Skimpy". Get over it.
I had the post listed with the yes, no, and %. If I was upset that you or anyone else voted no, why would I list that?
You are just upset that you were shown to be biased against females or too prudish to allow a female her choice.
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Aeradon✭✭✭✭✭YesMaverick827 wrote: »
I clearly overestimated your abilities of comprehension.Maverick827 wrote: »You read the one part of that page that doesn't apply to the topic. Read the others.
Are there specific lines that I'm supposed to read, and specific lines that I'm supposed to skip because you want me to? And I'm wrong if I do not follow your rules?
So the article you posted has valid and invalid points? So how trustworthy is that article if it contradicts itself?
You posted an article that contains a fact of which contradicts what you were trying to prove using said article. Who's the idiot?People keep telling me they're gonna buy me an ale. They never do.
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Eivar✭✭✭✭NoMaverick827 wrote: »
External Consistency: Consistency with the real world.
The fictional universe is Like Reality Unless Noted. Violations of external consistency are "unrealistic."
You mean to tell me there's nobody in the real world that puts on skimpy dresses?
so you're implying there is a secret clan of bikini clad ninjas out there wading into combat wearing 3 cloth triangles and some string?
Have you been to the Amazon? Did you know some amazonian tribes are still cut off from the world? They fight naked, they hunt naked. After all these years, they're still, naked.
what are their mortality rates like? do they have massive battles over territory with large armies? do they siege keeps, use flaming oil and other nastiness on eadch other?
1. They are still alive. And population grows despite migration outwards and zero influx.
2. Does wearing skimpy clothes means you need to engage in massive battles and siege keeps with flaming oil and nastiness? If flaming oil is your concern, I highly doubt that armour of yours could help you, it would in fact act as an oven, and your skin in contact with metal would receive burns. The flames might even get in and you have fire within.
1. you realize armor was created for a reason, and it wasn't prudishness. Had they worn armor of some type there would be a lot more and their society would be much different.
2. again missed the point completely, i mean like wow seriously missed it. i don't even know that i have the patience to try to explain this to you.
1. Armor in ESO is mainly a stat. Armor in real life is to prevent heavy damage upon first clash with enemies, it is not as protective as what you might think it should be. The really reinforced ones are so heavy it could only be used on a horse. Ores are a scarcity in real life, do you really think all soldiers are fully plated? They'll be lucky if given a sword.
2. Did anybody mention that Skimpy Armor is supposed to provide an armour boost like the other armours? You assume it does. Can any player run away from battle before engaging? That's right, they can.
Will you survive flaming oil without heals? If you need heals to survive, so can players with Skimpy Armors use heals to survive.
1. So you're implying that they didn't add armor to this world for the same function it has in the real world? I don't know when this discussion became about full plate mail, armor whether leather armor or plate is still armor. leather armor protects much better than naked skin.
2. If that's your point then why not put on a disguise with no armor and run around, since you're not asking for actual armor value.
1. How are virtual items supposed to have the same function compared to actual world?? The armours are merely values, calculations, created by the developers with no link to reality. Reality is a much more complex RNG that nobody understands. Yes, you are right, no matter what armour it is, it's better than skin, so why can't someone wear Skimpy Armor when they go for some random ninja fight you proposed?
2. That, is exactly what I did after level 34. I got so fed up with changing armours and repairing, I reach VR1 with all armours broken since 34. I'm sure a lot of people do this as well.
*edit: from 10-50 I run naked in Cyrodiil. Stats are boosted.
1. i'm sorry but that's the most ridiculous argument yet. it's not even worth rebutting.
2. see problem solved!1 -
Adramelach✭✭✭YesFrankly, the entire classification system of light, medium, and heavy armor makes little to no sense in Elder Scrolls; it's just an aesthetic dinosaur that's kept around in spite of logic flying against it, given the universe Nirn is in.
1. "Light" armor at high levels can be an order of magnitude stronger than low-level Heavy. This alone tosses "realism" out the door. I can make a "spidersilk" robe that protects 3-4 times as well as an iron cuirass. Now, plants might be "hardy" and all, but no plant-based material is going to out-perform iron in terms of protection in the real world. It only gets more crazy with ebonthread and all the higher-up cloths. It's *cloth* and simply looking at the robes, it's obviously flexible and you can move around in it, thus it's clearly not rigid as a breastplate and such. "realism" has already been tossed out the window simply with regard to how the different materials scale in protection, and thus it's all pretty arbitrary.
2. Rings and necklaces. I can make a ring now that will "armor" me 10 times better than any low-level armor of any kind whatsoever. So now, not only do the materials become awkward and illogical from a "realism" standpoint (above), you don't even *need* any material at all covering you to be more armored than a full plate of steel would protect you.
So really, maybe we just drop the distinctions completely, call armor choices simply a fashion choice, and have whatever numbers apply to whatever look you want. You want a bikini that protects you for 1000 points? great. You're low-level but want to look cool, and have a full suit of plate steel on, but it only protects you for 500? Great.
What's really the drawback of completely separating the "numbers" and qualities of armor completely from the aesthetics? Why have armor 'classes' at all in a world where jewelry can offer astounding protective qualities?2 -
Eivar✭✭✭✭No
ok so fyi red sonja is another character from the same fictionial universe, and was essentially a female version of conan, she dressed very similar to conan wearing barely anything, and kicking just as much ass as conan. do i think it's silly? yes, do i think conan running around in a loincloth is silly, yes. both characters were portrayed the same way, as having ludicrous fortitude and prowess.0
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