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Re: The Game Design of BG's is Embarrassing
Item 2 - Entering the Map by falling off a Platform
- Is your team behind in a deathmatch? Well get ****ed, now you all have to be CC'd for 1.5 seconds when re-entering the fight because, after respawning, you have to enter the map by falling off a platform. And while falling, the enemies can hit you with abilities, but you can't do anything about it.
Genuinely embarrassing game design.
Quick pro tip, if you let go of your movement keys until you hit the ground, you won't do the little somersault when hitting the ground and you get to start casting immediately.
I do agree with everything you said though. Spawn should teleport you to the ground level rather than having to jump down, and the timer for getting forced out of spawn needs to be like 15 seconds max, and ideally done in waves so that anyone in spawn is ported down at the same time (to avoid a trickle effect).
Re: Companion's helmets
Hoping that they eventually reconsider this decision. The excuse that ZOS used of them being ''unique characters'' or whatever doesn't really work in a multiplayer game where you can see multiple other players with the same Companion with the exact same face, basically a clone.
Allowing Companions to show equipped Helmet Style or Hats would be way less immersion breaking and would end up making them far more ''unique'' than what they currently are.
Allowing Companions to show equipped Helmet Style or Hats would be way less immersion breaking and would end up making them far more ''unique'' than what they currently are.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
ACTUAL WEREWOLF FEEDBACK
A few more things:
1) Werewolves are still unable to pass the Tarcyr fight in March of Sacrifices. That fight has crouching/sneaking as a requirement. Since Werewolves can't sneak, they will never be able to pass the hunt phases in there without doing the secret areas. I assume this means they will also be unable to pass the Lord Hollowjack fight during Witches' Fest as it also requires characters to actively Crouch.
I did try to use the Prowl mechanic during the Tarcyr fight, but it doesn't do a thing. It is specifically looking for characters to be hidden, which means that werewolves are completely unable to pass that mechanic.
For a werewolf dungeon, the fact that werewolves can't do it seems like a massive oversight.
I honestly don't understand the resistance to werewolves being able to sneak in some way. Again, in two specific PvE encounters, werewolves are completely disallowed from entering - and the fact that these are a werewolf-themed dungeon and a halloween-themed boss fight just feels completely wrong.
At minimum, these two fights need to have a condition that werewolves are immune to the mechanic. That seems like a weird solution, but the correct answer would be to let them sneak. If the issue is that sneaking werewolves would make a problem for PvP, then have Prowl be a PvP-only feature and allow [CTRL] to do a sneak mode in PvE (even if no crouch animation is added).
That would also help the fact that Slaughter is not easy to trigger, as by the time you get close enough to an NPC to get the synergy, they usually can notice there's a giant wolf beast right behind them.
2) Werewolf Berserker is very hard to sustain as a lone wolf. On Live, the Blood Rage passive is the major source of sustain for the werewolf timer.
On PTS, that passive makes it easier to get to Rampage
The problem is that you need to be in werewolf form long enough to get to Rampage in order to use it. It's pretty tough to get up there fast enough without specifically building for ult gen. On Live, I can easily stay in werewolf form with no problem, even against bosses without a lot of adds. But on PTS, if there aren't a lot of adds around, I may be able to get to Rampage once, and that's only if I hard focus on timers instead of just... having fun?
It would really help if Blood Rage would revert back to a form of the Live passive like "When you deal damage, you gain X ultimate. This effect can occur once every 5 seconds" to help sustain the wolf form.
Honestly, the cost to remain in werewolf form (100 per 10 seconds) does feel a bit high in the first place, especially with how hard it is to sustain in the absence of corpses. Maybe a cost of 70 or even 50 per 10 secs would be better. I might also suggest making the cost less chunky, and spread it to a lower cost over a shorter duration - there are cases where a player might have 184 ult and cast it, which then kicks them right back out of werewolf form with barely anything to show for it.
A few more things:
1) Werewolves are still unable to pass the Tarcyr fight in March of Sacrifices. That fight has crouching/sneaking as a requirement. Since Werewolves can't sneak, they will never be able to pass the hunt phases in there without doing the secret areas. I assume this means they will also be unable to pass the Lord Hollowjack fight during Witches' Fest as it also requires characters to actively Crouch.
I did try to use the Prowl mechanic during the Tarcyr fight, but it doesn't do a thing. It is specifically looking for characters to be hidden, which means that werewolves are completely unable to pass that mechanic.
For a werewolf dungeon, the fact that werewolves can't do it seems like a massive oversight.
I honestly don't understand the resistance to werewolves being able to sneak in some way. Again, in two specific PvE encounters, werewolves are completely disallowed from entering - and the fact that these are a werewolf-themed dungeon and a halloween-themed boss fight just feels completely wrong.
At minimum, these two fights need to have a condition that werewolves are immune to the mechanic. That seems like a weird solution, but the correct answer would be to let them sneak. If the issue is that sneaking werewolves would make a problem for PvP, then have Prowl be a PvP-only feature and allow [CTRL] to do a sneak mode in PvE (even if no crouch animation is added).
That would also help the fact that Slaughter is not easy to trigger, as by the time you get close enough to an NPC to get the synergy, they usually can notice there's a giant wolf beast right behind them.
2) Werewolf Berserker is very hard to sustain as a lone wolf. On Live, the Blood Rage passive is the major source of sustain for the werewolf timer.
On PTS, that passive makes it easier to get to Rampage
The problem is that you need to be in werewolf form long enough to get to Rampage in order to use it. It's pretty tough to get up there fast enough without specifically building for ult gen. On Live, I can easily stay in werewolf form with no problem, even against bosses without a lot of adds. But on PTS, if there aren't a lot of adds around, I may be able to get to Rampage once, and that's only if I hard focus on timers instead of just... having fun?
It would really help if Blood Rage would revert back to a form of the Live passive like "When you deal damage, you gain X ultimate. This effect can occur once every 5 seconds" to help sustain the wolf form.
Honestly, the cost to remain in werewolf form (100 per 10 seconds) does feel a bit high in the first place, especially with how hard it is to sustain in the absence of corpses. Maybe a cost of 70 or even 50 per 10 secs would be better. I might also suggest making the cost less chunky, and spread it to a lower cost over a shorter duration - there are cases where a player might have 184 ult and cast it, which then kicks them right back out of werewolf form with barely anything to show for it.
tomofhyrule
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Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
I never PvP'd much before I took a break and tried venegance last night, it reminds me of FF14 pvp, which I hated because there wasn't build variety. To me one of the most fun parts of ESO is the build crafting, I don't like that this game mode will take most of that away.
Re: Best ESO stories since 2022
The guards tell me what I've done. I don't remember much of any of it. Some of it was so long ago now.
I have noticed everyone is so sure of themselves, and I liked Ithelias uncertainty and struggle, and fury. I couldn't finish her quest, because I didn't want to be part of helping Mora against her.
I think some greek tragedy story lines- doing the right thing but wrong by the gods, or Shakespeare's tragedy, failing thru a human flaw we all have, could be an interesting way to do a bad guy. Less of the James Bond world ending bad guys stuff.
I have noticed everyone is so sure of themselves, and I liked Ithelias uncertainty and struggle, and fury. I couldn't finish her quest, because I didn't want to be part of helping Mora against her.
I think some greek tragedy story lines- doing the right thing but wrong by the gods, or Shakespeare's tragedy, failing thru a human flaw we all have, could be an interesting way to do a bad guy. Less of the James Bond world ending bad guys stuff.
Re: U50 Spoiler Thread for Thieves Guild Questline
WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »Can someone explain to me why the Prowler Amulet - claimed to be associated with a Khajiiti thief god unless I’m misremembering - has a gem of Phynaster? 🤨
You are confusing the Prowler’s Amulet for the Thieves’ Moon. The Prowler’s Amulet is Direnni in origin and has it tied to a breton group that considered Phynaster a thief god. The Thieves’ Moon is an artifact capable of controlling time that merethic era thieves like Khunzar-ri and Baan Dar utilized. The gems of the Prowler’s Amulet can amplify other items and these gems were lost and one of them was found inside the Thieves’ Moon.
As to why the moon had one, the NPC you take the amulet to speculates the gems were taken out of the amulet by someone and used to amplify other items. It just so happens that Voernet had a prophecy that the Thieves’ Moon was going to be used “For the moment when justice lies in the hands of the unjust." The unjust being the Thieves Guild using it against Koldane.
Since we know Voenret collected other cultural artifacts and he knew it would be used, he likely embedded the Thieves Moon with the Phynaster gem.
Re: Sorcerer rework, new class, new systems, house building, and various improvements for ESO
I didn't know where to post this topic in the forum categories, so I decided to post it here.
SORCERER REWORK
In anticipation of changes to the Sorcerer class, I would like to see Zos focus more on Lightning and Dark Magic, rather than Daedric Summoning.
I would replace the Daedra line with another school of magic as an alternative, it could be Alteration.
If you look at the class description, where it draws its power from, it's more like a Warlock than a Sorcerer.
Actually, as a sorcerer main, I would gladly give up the Daedric Summoning line for a new class that would be exclusively associated with Daedra.
@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_Amy
Yes, of course... Dark magic and summoning make up two-thirds of the class. Now they're going to remove everything and start from scratch, just because "IviRo" wants it that way.
Sorcerer is NOT the same as Mage. If you want to play a MAGE, there's the Destruction Staff skill line for you - you can use a combination of a Fire/Frost staff and a Sorcerer's Lightning tree.
Lmao, I want them to remove the three pets from this class and replace those skills with ones that are more suitable for it, and create a separate system for the pets.
Many people have spoken out about the pets, and they’ve even described them in detail here.
I haven’t said a word about removing Dark Magic.
1. Why on earth should the Daedric Summoning skill line be removed from Sorcerer and put into a separate skill line for everyone?
I think people like you are confusing the concepts and forgetting that a sorcerer is NOT the same as a mage. I've already written about this above.
You're suggesting replacing summoning with something else—alteration or another element—while still keeping the dark magic skill line. That doesn't make any sense, because what do dark magic and, let´s say, fire magic have to do with each other?
Okay, let's forget about the other element. You mentioned Alteration.
Alteration spells include lockpicking, underwater breathing, shields, etc. How is that supposed to help the class?
If you really want the Alteration skill line, it's definitely worth adding as an additional skill line to the "World" tab.
2. I'd rather remove the Lightning tree from Sorcerer and replace it with Mysticism, focusing on spells like dispel, spell absorption, spell reflection, and soul trap.
I'll say it again - if you want to play a "Mage", you have carte blanche in the form of the entire skill line of the Destruction Staff, where you have a set of spells from different schools.
I propose the following:
Remove the Lightning skill line from Sorcerer and give it to Warden.
Sorcerer will have three skill lines:
Dark Magic – the main damage skill line, with a spammable ability in the form of Crystal Shard and some AoE spells too and debuff kit;
Conjuration – a defensive/offensive skill line featuring armor and weapon summoning, similar to TES4 Oblivion, and summoning pets with a set of abilities to enhance them (like Daedric Prey);
Mysticism – a support skill line featuring shields, healing, and so on.
THIS IS WHAT SORCERER IS REALLY ABOUT.
1. The reason that many of us are suggesting current Sorc pets be shifted to a "world" Conjuring line is multiple.
a) It's abundantly clear that there isn't enough slot space to run both a pet based Sorc as well as a non-pet based Sorc with the amount of available skill lines each class gets. Splitting the Sorc between the two build & play styles means that each gets a reduced scope of potential skills and in the current state of the game with the huge degree of power creep that sets Sorcs back.
b) The underlying mechanics of Sorc pets are also lackluster in terms of gameplay. We see fewer pets slotted (in general) and even when they are slotted it's often for a singular purpose which is already redundant to Sorcs (i.e. healing).
c) The damage output on Sorc pets is sub-par in the current state of the game (when compared to what other classes can output). Just dialing up the damage values doesn't fix this because, as others have mentioned, the mechanics of managing pets is just too slow and clunky for the current state of combat, whether that be PvP or PvE.
Sorcer's may not be a Mage, per se, but they rely on magic and Magicka in their root lore as their source of power. I do agree that Sorcs aren't "elemental" in nature and don't necessarily have to have a particular elemental strength.
One of the major pain points for Sorc is that we don't have a reliable heavy burst spammable skill. Crystal Frags is a joke and while Crystal Weapon is often the more powerful choice, that skill aligns with Stam Sorc and leaves Mag based Sorcs out in the cold.
The Sorc skill lines are loaded with redundant utility which make us more of a cheerleader class whereas other classes can hit hard and have a useful toolkit. Sorcs don't need 3 to 4 crowd control abilities, half of which aren't effective against the majority of opponents.
When we look at the whole scope of gameplay, whether it be PvE or PvP and we look at what Sorcs can bring our class has fallen too far behind. Subclassing has enabled significant jumps in power and flexibility and we just can't compete. We need skills that deliver on power and utility in ways that are actually useful in more than niche builds.
Some of us are tired of Sorcs being relegated to heavy attack builds because we aren't good for much more than that.
In the game your classes with top healing potential are Templar & Warden .. your top classes for damage dealing are Nightblade, Dragon Knight, & Arcanist ... The class with a strong summoner based lore and skill set is Necromancer ... so where does that leave Sorc? Our damage is limited and confined, often seeing us leaning on world skills or super limited play styles. Our summoned pets under perform against the likes of Necros.
At a time in the past, sure, Sorcs & pets made sense and fit well into gameplay combat but that time is gone and with all of the changes ZoS has put into the game that aren't going to go away we have to really rethink what Sorcs can do.
If the Devs re-work and keep Dark Magic, giving us a reliable spammable burst skill & a reliable execute (i.e. reworking Mages Fury into a dark magic skill), that would be fine.
The swap to Mysticism, I'm ok with that too, that would be a great place for defensive / utility skills
The Conjuration is where I take pause. Summoning armor and weapons starts to move towards redundant because if we're putting defense & utility is Mysticism then we don't want to end up back in same place of having redundant skills. Conjuring something like a Daedric Blade that would be a close proximity damage dealing skill that would give Sorcs that are ranged DPS the potential to engage in close quarters combat without having to focus on Stam based melee weapons; rather the Blade would run off the primary of Mag or Stam. This also works given subclassing has given everyone access to more gap closers and mobility buffs so the concepts of keeping at distance has been reduced. .. A skill like that would be useful and provide flexibility.
As for the pets, I'm sorry, but IMO they need a complete mechanical rebuild to be effective in gameplay anymore. Slotting a Sorc pet is a hard choice to defend when we have so many skills available via subclassing. Sorc pets aren't BIS in PvE or PvP and what's the point of having skills locked into a class when they're only there for nostalgia lore? If the majority of players aren't going to slot and use them then clearly they're better served somewhere else.
A world line works because nobody would have to subclass to access them, leaving the opportunity to stay a pure-class and run pets intact. It would also allow more dedicated skills and passives that are 100% pet centric, not shared. Sorcs need to be competitive in the current state of gameplay and the pets sadly aren't.
NxJoeyD
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Re: Do you think ZOS has abandoned Grey Host?
CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »I am a ten year player who has all but quit PvP. I still do play it and I dont even know why (I am PvP too). The more I see what's happening there, the more disgusted I become. It is no longer PvP. It is Skill Line vs Skill line (Subclassing disaster). It is cherry picking without rules or consequences. It is an absolute out of control meta (in PvE too). It is out of control cherry picked buffs. It is out of control dps (In PvE too). It is a 1 shot stop for new players. It is a neon sign that says 'This is not in any way fun or fair whatsoever" Nearly everyone I game with has for one reason or another quit and there are many. I think this number is growing. I think the developers know this and can see it.
I think there are certain limitations to what they (the developers) can do. There is also a lot of time required to undertake changes such as a new PvP area. This game has far outlasted its original PvP design and I have no doubt there are unintended consequences involved in this on the developer side. This isn't entirely their fault. It would not be this bad if they removed Subclassing either (which is the same thing as enforcing rules on the developer side).
It is far far beyond time to stop nerfing our characters and gear. Or changing them after the fact to suit PvP. Or attempting to sabotage characters before they're even created or released to accommodate PvP. This has only and will only continue to drive players away and discourage new players from engaging in it.
Every time something new and fun comes out, here comes the hammer from PvP. Or the misuse of its intended purpose (exploit). This, everything is about dps coming out of there. 'Just a few more dps and PvP will be ok' - It will not (And that's true in PvE too). People have had enough of it. I am one of many of those. Continuing to repeat the same problematic things is not going to solve the problem. Continuing to cater to the same people who called for it to be this way is not the answer. ***The developers need to halt what is going on there and start implementing and establishing and reestablishing rules. That they (the developers) decide. And enforce them.
Vengeance is a very good thing. I have and will continue to play it. If it is available, my guilds will play it too. There are RULES involved. There is actually SKILL involved, not just builds.
@ModeratelyFM- They may have to give up on GH because its unworkable for various reasons. I believe this to be out of their control due to system constraints. ***As far as the PEOPLE in GH I do not think they will hang this population out to dry.*** I do believe what they said about a new PvP area. I would rather see them just finally separate PvP and PvE entirely if this broken (cutrent) state must continue. That is, any and all PvE sets cause you to deal 0 damage and have 0 resistances in PvP. They could still tailor the skills to be PvE only but again, if that's happening, its not really our characters in there anyway.
I usually agree with you on a lot of things, but we differ on our opinions on Vengeance. I was just in it last night and it was straight up boring and frustrating. I HAVE enjoyed Vengeance in the past - when all 3 alliances were 3 barred in there and we were having 300 vs 300 vs 300 player battles for just a single keep for 3-4 hours straight, getting 3, 4, and 500k D Ticks. But it hasn't been like that on XBOX NA since the first Vengeance on Xbox. And it has made it a really boring and frustrating experience overall, mainly because there is always one alliance that outnumbers the others and they ALWAYS win. In there, numbers count for everything. They can have more seige than you, they can have more damage output collectively than you, and not that healers matter in there, but to the extent that there are healers running, they have more healing output than you due to raw numbers. Individual player skill doesn't really factor into it at all anymore.
I don't think Vengeance is the answer. But I agree with you in that I think for the betterment of the game, they're going to have to start dialing back a lot of things, re-establishing deterrance for stuff like glitch exploits (I am SO sick of getting hit with shield tosses and getting locked down for no reason), and maybe embrace a rock-paper-scissors style balancing scheme where every class has innate weaknesses to some classes, and innate advantages vs. other classes. I'm not just talking that they match up well vs one class and poorly vs. another, but there should be built in damage modifiers so that one class takes more damage when the damage source is from Class X, and they deal more damage to a class when facing Class Y. This would REALLY make it where there is no superman so to speak, where a player or group of players can hide weaknesses through a clever build.
FYI Arcanists / beamers: U50 Class Mastery + Crux Counter Noise
Leaving this here for anyone using Crux Counter addon –
If you keep hearing a high-pitched clash-type sound every few seconds when your crux is not spent, this is the culprit:,
I think it's due to Class Mastery > Fate Realigned refreshing your crux to max. I never noticed this sound before in Live gameplay so it wasn't immediately clear what was causing it. Not truly a bug, just an option that becomes really annoying with this new CM feature.
If you keep hearing a high-pitched clash-type sound every few seconds when your crux is not spent, this is the culprit:,
I think it's due to Class Mastery > Fate Realigned refreshing your crux to max. I never noticed this sound before in Live gameplay so it wasn't immediately clear what was causing it. Not truly a bug, just an option that becomes really annoying with this new CM feature.
MoonPile
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Re: Malevolent Promise… Don’t think I didn’t notice
What I dont understand is this…
Why they didn’t just take the risk week 1 and if some crazy synergy were to happen, then they would have weeks to then fine tune it?
“Monsters Only” and “While Battle Spirit is Active” are both end-all options and should only be used in the most serious of context, not casually thrown around on passives for classes known to be struggling.
To continue on this, separating abilities and gear between PvP and PvE, rather than adjusting stats to make builds viable in both, just adds to the confusion new players have with why they are getting blown up in PvP, or unable to get into a group in PvE.
It’s incredibly unhealthy for the game, and I said it back when Maw of Lorkhaj brought Aegis and Slayer and instead of hearing me, we got Halls of Fabrication— a trial with zero incentive for PvP players to enter… and again when Bahsei came out with Monster’s Only, such restrictions truly have no place in ESO.
Why they didn’t just take the risk week 1 and if some crazy synergy were to happen, then they would have weeks to then fine tune it?
“Monsters Only” and “While Battle Spirit is Active” are both end-all options and should only be used in the most serious of context, not casually thrown around on passives for classes known to be struggling.
To continue on this, separating abilities and gear between PvP and PvE, rather than adjusting stats to make builds viable in both, just adds to the confusion new players have with why they are getting blown up in PvP, or unable to get into a group in PvE.
It’s incredibly unhealthy for the game, and I said it back when Maw of Lorkhaj brought Aegis and Slayer and instead of hearing me, we got Halls of Fabrication— a trial with zero incentive for PvP players to enter… and again when Bahsei came out with Monster’s Only, such restrictions truly have no place in ESO.
Radiate77
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