The guards tell me what I've done. I don't remember much of any of it. Some of it was so long ago now.

I have noticed everyone is so sure of themselves, and I liked Ithelias uncertainty and struggle, and fury. I couldn't finish her quest, because I didn't want to be part of helping Mora against her.

I think some greek tragedy story lines- doing the right thing but wrong by the gods, or Shakespeare's tragedy, failing thru a human flaw we all have, could be an interesting way to do a bad guy. Less of the James Bond world ending bad guys stuff.

Grimsford wrote: »

IviRo wrote: »

Grimsford wrote: »

IviRo wrote: »

I didn't know where to post this topic in the forum categories, so I decided to post it here.

SORCERER REWORK

In anticipation of changes to the Sorcerer class, I would like to see Zos focus more on Lightning and Dark Magic, rather than Daedric Summoning.
I would replace the Daedra line with another school of magic as an alternative, it could be Alteration.
If you look at the class description, where it draws its power from, it's more like a Warlock than a Sorcerer.
Actually, as a sorcerer main, I would gladly give up the Daedric Summoning line for a new class that would be exclusively associated with Daedra.



@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_Amy

Yes, of course... Dark magic and summoning make up two-thirds of the class. Now they're going to remove everything and start from scratch, just because "IviRo" wants it that way.
Sorcerer is NOT the same as Mage. If you want to play a MAGE, there's the Destruction Staff skill line for you - you can use a combination of a Fire/Frost staff and a Sorcerer's Lightning tree.

Lmao, I want them to remove the three pets from this class and replace those skills with ones that are more suitable for it, and create a separate system for the pets.
Many people have spoken out about the pets, and they’ve even described them in detail here.
I haven’t said a word about removing Dark Magic.

1. Why on earth should the Daedric Summoning skill line be removed from Sorcerer and put into a separate skill line for everyone?

I think people like you are confusing the concepts and forgetting that a sorcerer is NOT the same as a mage. I've already written about this above.
You're suggesting replacing summoning with something else—alteration or another element—while still keeping the dark magic skill line. That doesn't make any sense, because what do dark magic and, let´s say, fire magic have to do with each other?

Okay, let's forget about the other element. You mentioned Alteration.
Alteration spells include lockpicking, underwater breathing, shields, etc. How is that supposed to help the class?
If you really want the Alteration skill line, it's definitely worth adding as an additional skill line to the "World" tab.

2. I'd rather remove the Lightning tree from Sorcerer and replace it with Mysticism, focusing on spells like dispel, spell absorption, spell reflection, and soul trap.


I'll say it again - if you want to play a "Mage", you have carte blanche in the form of the entire skill line of the Destruction Staff, where you have a set of spells from different schools.

I propose the following:

Remove the Lightning skill line from Sorcerer and give it to Warden.

Sorcerer will have three skill lines:

Dark Magic – the main damage skill line, with a spammable ability in the form of Crystal Shard and some AoE spells too and debuff kit;

Conjuration – a defensive/offensive skill line featuring armor and weapon summoning, similar to TES4 Oblivion, and summoning pets with a set of abilities to enhance them (like Daedric Prey);

Mysticism – a support skill line featuring shields, healing, and so on.

THIS IS WHAT SORCERER IS REALLY ABOUT.

1. The reason that many of us are suggesting current Sorc pets be shifted to a "world" Conjuring line is multiple.

a) It's abundantly clear that there isn't enough slot space to run both a pet based Sorc as well as a non-pet based Sorc with the amount of available skill lines each class gets. Splitting the Sorc between the two build & play styles means that each gets a reduced scope of potential skills and in the current state of the game with the huge degree of power creep that sets Sorcs back.

b) The underlying mechanics of Sorc pets are also lackluster in terms of gameplay. We see fewer pets slotted (in general) and even when they are slotted it's often for a singular purpose which is already redundant to Sorcs (i.e. healing).

c) The damage output on Sorc pets is sub-par in the current state of the game (when compared to what other classes can output). Just dialing up the damage values doesn't fix this because, as others have mentioned, the mechanics of managing pets is just too slow and clunky for the current state of combat, whether that be PvP or PvE.

Sorcer's may not be a Mage, per se, but they rely on magic and Magicka in their root lore as their source of power. I do agree that Sorcs aren't "elemental" in nature and don't necessarily have to have a particular elemental strength.

One of the major pain points for Sorc is that we don't have a reliable heavy burst spammable skill. Crystal Frags is a joke and while Crystal Weapon is often the more powerful choice, that skill aligns with Stam Sorc and leaves Mag based Sorcs out in the cold.

The Sorc skill lines are loaded with redundant utility which make us more of a cheerleader class whereas other classes can hit hard and have a useful toolkit. Sorcs don't need 3 to 4 crowd control abilities, half of which aren't effective against the majority of opponents.

When we look at the whole scope of gameplay, whether it be PvE or PvP and we look at what Sorcs can bring our class has fallen too far behind. Subclassing has enabled significant jumps in power and flexibility and we just can't compete. We need skills that deliver on power and utility in ways that are actually useful in more than niche builds.

Some of us are tired of Sorcs being relegated to heavy attack builds because we aren't good for much more than that.

In the game your classes with top healing potential are Templar & Warden .. your top classes for damage dealing are Nightblade, Dragon Knight, & Arcanist ... The class with a strong summoner based lore and skill set is Necromancer ... so where does that leave Sorc? Our damage is limited and confined, often seeing us leaning on world skills or super limited play styles. Our summoned pets under perform against the likes of Necros.

At a time in the past, sure, Sorcs & pets made sense and fit well into gameplay combat but that time is gone and with all of the changes ZoS has put into the game that aren't going to go away we have to really rethink what Sorcs can do.

If the Devs re-work and keep Dark Magic, giving us a reliable spammable burst skill & a reliable execute (i.e. reworking Mages Fury into a dark magic skill), that would be fine.

The swap to Mysticism, I'm ok with that too, that would be a great place for defensive / utility skills

The Conjuration is where I take pause. Summoning armor and weapons starts to move towards redundant because if we're putting defense & utility is Mysticism then we don't want to end up back in same place of having redundant skills. Conjuring something like a Daedric Blade that would be a close proximity damage dealing skill that would give Sorcs that are ranged DPS the potential to engage in close quarters combat without having to focus on Stam based melee weapons; rather the Blade would run off the primary of Mag or Stam. This also works given subclassing has given everyone access to more gap closers and mobility buffs so the concepts of keeping at distance has been reduced. .. A skill like that would be useful and provide flexibility.

As for the pets, I'm sorry, but IMO they need a complete mechanical rebuild to be effective in gameplay anymore. Slotting a Sorc pet is a hard choice to defend when we have so many skills available via subclassing. Sorc pets aren't BIS in PvE or PvP and what's the point of having skills locked into a class when they're only there for nostalgia lore? If the majority of players aren't going to slot and use them then clearly they're better served somewhere else.

A world line works because nobody would have to subclass to access them, leaving the opportunity to stay a pure-class and run pets intact. It would also allow more dedicated skills and passives that are 100% pet centric, not shared. Sorcs need to be competitive in the current state of gameplay and the pets sadly aren't.

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

I am a ten year player who has all but quit PvP. I still do play it and I dont even know why (I am PvP too). The more I see what's happening there, the more disgusted I become. It is no longer PvP. It is Skill Line vs Skill line (Subclassing disaster). It is cherry picking without rules or consequences. It is an absolute out of control meta (in PvE too). It is out of control cherry picked buffs. It is out of control dps (In PvE too). It is a 1 shot stop for new players. It is a neon sign that says 'This is not in any way fun or fair whatsoever" Nearly everyone I game with has for one reason or another quit and there are many. I think this number is growing. I think the developers know this and can see it.

I think there are certain limitations to what they (the developers) can do. There is also a lot of time required to undertake changes such as a new PvP area. This game has far outlasted its original PvP design and I have no doubt there are unintended consequences involved in this on the developer side. This isn't entirely their fault. It would not be this bad if they removed Subclassing either (which is the same thing as enforcing rules on the developer side).

It is far far beyond time to stop nerfing our characters and gear. Or changing them after the fact to suit PvP. Or attempting to sabotage characters before they're even created or released to accommodate PvP. This has only and will only continue to drive players away and discourage new players from engaging in it.

Every time something new and fun comes out, here comes the hammer from PvP. Or the misuse of its intended purpose (exploit). This, everything is about dps coming out of there. 'Just a few more dps and PvP will be ok' - It will not (And that's true in PvE too). People have had enough of it. I am one of many of those. Continuing to repeat the same problematic things is not going to solve the problem. Continuing to cater to the same people who called for it to be this way is not the answer. ***The developers need to halt what is going on there and start implementing and establishing and reestablishing rules. That they (the developers) decide. And enforce them.

Vengeance is a very good thing. I have and will continue to play it. If it is available, my guilds will play it too. There are RULES involved. There is actually SKILL involved, not just builds.

@ModeratelyFM- They may have to give up on GH because its unworkable for various reasons. I believe this to be out of their control due to system constraints. ***As far as the PEOPLE in GH I do not think they will hang this population out to dry.*** I do believe what they said about a new PvP area. I would rather see them just finally separate PvP and PvE entirely if this broken (cutrent) state must continue. That is, any and all PvE sets cause you to deal 0 damage and have 0 resistances in PvP. They could still tailor the skills to be PvE only but again, if that's happening, its not really our characters in there anyway.

I usually agree with you on a lot of things, but we differ on our opinions on Vengeance. I was just in it last night and it was straight up boring and frustrating. I HAVE enjoyed Vengeance in the past - when all 3 alliances were 3 barred in there and we were having 300 vs 300 vs 300 player battles for just a single keep for 3-4 hours straight, getting 3, 4, and 500k D Ticks. But it hasn't been like that on XBOX NA since the first Vengeance on Xbox. And it has made it a really boring and frustrating experience overall, mainly because there is always one alliance that outnumbers the others and they ALWAYS win. In there, numbers count for everything. They can have more seige than you, they can have more damage output collectively than you, and not that healers matter in there, but to the extent that there are healers running, they have more healing output than you due to raw numbers. Individual player skill doesn't really factor into it at all anymore.

I don't think Vengeance is the answer. But I agree with you in that I think for the betterment of the game, they're going to have to start dialing back a lot of things, re-establishing deterrance for stuff like glitch exploits (I am SO sick of getting hit with shield tosses and getting locked down for no reason), and maybe embrace a rock-paper-scissors style balancing scheme where every class has innate weaknesses to some classes, and innate advantages vs. other classes. I'm not just talking that they match up well vs one class and poorly vs. another, but there should be built in damage modifiers so that one class takes more damage when the damage source is from Class X, and they deal more damage to a class when facing Class Y. This would REALLY make it where there is no superman so to speak, where a player or group of players can hide weaknesses through a clever build.

I hate to say it, but it's tedious by design. Zenimax (as in the company, not ZOS proper) did the same thing with Fallout 76. Create problems and sell the solutions.

Inventory is purposefully wretched and awful to compel you to get ESO+, at which point it becomes exceedingly friendly and nice. It's all on purpose. To get you to buy the solution to the problem that ZOS made to sell you the solution. It's on purpose, baby.

You're right. It sucks to not be a subscriber. It's meant to suck. Nothing for it.

Personally, the only reason I pay an annual subscription fee is for the unlimited crafting bag and extra bank spaces. If they made inventory not suck without the subscription, I would literally unsubscribe. Most of us would. The value proposition for subscribing has been stripped down to the crafting bag over the years, and ZOS knows it. They ain't fixing anything because, for them, it's not broken.

licenturion wrote: »

I can tolerate the system but it is way too specific. I thought the previous system of daily login and easy daily and weekly better. Those usually took up 3-5 minutes of my time. Now I feel in the beginning of the week I am doing so much busywork to get it over with that I am burned out for the rest of the week

I see all these posts "wow, the game feels so alive again'. But is it? Everyone funnels to the same 8 spots, puts a 5 minute timer on their phone, watch some YouTube or scroll a bit, click once, kill world boss. Reset timer...repeat 5 or more times. Very boring compared to what we had before.

Those challenges should be way way less specific. They got it right with golden pursuit with "complete 5 dungeons' or kill 20 world bosses. The way it is now is boring and I am more waiting than playing the game.

Then there are the 'kill 1000+ of XXX' that last a month. I know you have a whole season, but ESO has been ramming into peoples head to complete everything as fast as possible. So, the other day I even changed my built to so I could steal as many easy crab kills from a distance from other players to get it done more quickly while the other part was farmed in a random +boss group while I was cooking. And yesterday I did the kill 100 bosses in Blessed Crucible at the part where there spawn 4 werewolf bosses, kill 3, jump in lava to die and repeat a few times to get that out of the way. And now I am burned out for the rest of the week and went back to Starfield.

And all of this is grinding is just to unlock the pages that have endeavors and trade bars on them. I don't get it. People used to complain that they were burned out with event. Now it feels like the game is constant having 20 events and they love it.

A game friend and I did many public dungeons, a couple delves, and a few group dungeons and still haven't finished the 100 boss challenge. The public dungeons took so long because there was a couple of high-level players that ran, really ran, from boss to boss to boss and never slowed to kill mobs. We would go through a hall and it would be empty, then suddenly crowds of foes run past us to return to their start. It was a lot of waiting. Which allows me to think there must be a better way.

I think changing where we play is not the good answer.
I also think playing a different game is not a good solution.
The development team suggested that instancing is too complicated for the number of dungeons.
I think a better solution would be use more general challenges rather than kill a this world boss or that.

Thank you for an honest response that is polite. Sometimes it feels difficult to speak well when we are passionate about something.

As has been mentioned though, if you’re turning the game into a job, it’s gonna feel like a job. So don’t.

Remember: the free track of Tomes has 20k points worth of stuff to earn. That’s it. Any points you earn over 20k are unnecessary and will just get thrown out at the end of the season. For Premium, you have a few more things to buy, but then you also don’t lose the Tome and can keep buying things from it later.

I did a quick off-the-cuff calculation based on last week having 6500 Points, and that was after the season was live about 10 days. At 6500 points in 10 days, that means I’ll have around 58,500 points at the end. That’s over 30k points that are going straight into the trash.

For anyone who plays regularly, you will throw away more Points than you can possibly use. So… why do you need to maximize your gains or get it as fast as possible? Are you not throwing things away fast enough?