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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
Some general balance feedback:
After some testing, I'm confident enough to say Sorc Werewolf is indeed significantly stronger than the second strongest version (DK Werewolf) due to the class mastery passives sorc has that enables infinitely more healing/blocking & strong execute passive that synergizes well with WW DoTs... I would probably see if those can be restricted a bit more on werewolf, especially considering sorcerer already has some of the best class passives for playing werewolf.
Playing werewolf with dragonknight class masteries didn't feel too far "outside the box" power wise if comparing to recently reworked DK for example.
Apart from that, I'd still like to see Claw Fury get a stronger visual effect based on Blood Hunger stacks and Rampage absolutely needs an animation, VFX - something...
https://www.twitch.tv/decimus/clip/ProudGlamorousPangolinOSfrog-9UIBJ3b3Ocsin6G2
After some testing, I'm confident enough to say Sorc Werewolf is indeed significantly stronger than the second strongest version (DK Werewolf) due to the class mastery passives sorc has that enables infinitely more healing/blocking & strong execute passive that synergizes well with WW DoTs... I would probably see if those can be restricted a bit more on werewolf, especially considering sorcerer already has some of the best class passives for playing werewolf.
Playing werewolf with dragonknight class masteries didn't feel too far "outside the box" power wise if comparing to recently reworked DK for example.
Apart from that, I'd still like to see Claw Fury get a stronger visual effect based on Blood Hunger stacks and Rampage absolutely needs an animation, VFX - something...
https://www.twitch.tv/decimus/clip/ProudGlamorousPangolinOSfrog-9UIBJ3b3Ocsin6G2
Decimus
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Re: Update 50 PTS – Week 1 Summary
I dont see any potencial scenario where you can go without healers in vet dlc dungeons and trials . It's just anxiety out of nowhere here. Just try it and you will not live for long. For most part we dont see healer or tank in normal (or even dlc and vet base game dungeons) only because queue for dd is SO LONG so its easier for them to switch roles or most dungeons let you skip most of mechanics with higher dps than expected. THIS is NOT problem of losing buffs or something.
Vet and even HM dungeons also, for the most part, can have most of their mechanics skipped if you 3dps it. Unhallowed grave trifecta is and always has been best done 3 dps because there's no DoTs to heal through, while the mechanics focus on doing damage. Black Gem Foundry WR is even 3 dps iirc and that one has heal checks that most groups would need a healer for. Unchained used to be the hardest 4-man content and that is often 3 dpsed as well. This game is one of stacking damage, healers often fall by the wayside in favor of more damage. The only way to fix this is to both reign in power creep and add more punishing healer mechanics.
Saying to all of people here who scared about healer extinction only because ONE buff from only ONE viable set (Olorime doesnt work well and nobody wear mythics that provides Major Courage it) in game will be given to Werewolf its crazy. Also by doing math we can see that Major Courage not so viable in 4 man content - its only shine in trials, specially in vet trial. So anyone of you actually played in them? Because its such a hard work - to keep ALL buff for 100% uptime and by giving major courage to werewolf we can use ANY other sets that will provide buffs to whole group. Dont forget about that healer is SUPPORT ROLE.
Now, I agree that major courage on a werewolf won't cause healers to be extinct on it's own but... what are you on about? Olorime gets used by tanks built for 3 dps runs in dungeons because major courage is so important. And SPC is one of the easiest sets to keep 100% uptime on?
For me as healer player in normal and vet content this seems like greed and overreaction. Im tired of SCP meta and buffs from only one source.
Realistically, if healers get SPC taken away, it'll just be replaced by a different set. The root problem is unresolvable, certain buffs will always be expected. It would be nice, admittedly, to be able to play around with other sets instead of feeling like I need to do SPC/ma or pa as a healer, but werewolf major courage wouldn't even be relevant for most dungeon runs.
Imagine world when you no longer need to farm White Gold Tower to became good healer. If we want more healers - we should make it easier for them to go in.
Healer is potentially the easiest role to get gear for. Can just... get body SPC from a few runs of WGT and buy PA. Tanks usually need at least one set from trials just because of the group buffs and DPS usually need at least one set from trials because of minor slayer.
Soarora
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
I have a minor nitpick about the name change of Devour to Insatiable Hunger:
For one, the synergy's name is longer, so it looks like visual clutter. But more importantly, this is a synergy asking us to perform an action — it makes more sense to be told to "Devour" something than it does to use "Insatiable Hunger" on it.
Devour is the action we take; Insatiable Hunger is why we take the action.
For one, the synergy's name is longer, so it looks like visual clutter. But more importantly, this is a synergy asking us to perform an action — it makes more sense to be told to "Devour" something than it does to use "Insatiable Hunger" on it.
Devour is the action we take; Insatiable Hunger is why we take the action.
Re: Update 50 PTS – Week 1 Summary
this is a pretty "meta" looking build from live used on the PTS with class masteries
My weave is pretty quick, 0.019 with good uptimes on my skills. I'm not missing light many light attacks and I even did the cheese overload start.
I can say this without any quivication, this build is dead. pet builds are dead.
exactly the same setup, with no pets
swap in monolith of stroms and mora's scribe
it keeps going until you layer in enough cheesey BS that you end up with
If Static was the problem, then the first no pet parse would be a sudden huge jump. Swapping the sets was a much bigger jump.
adding signet, banner and status knife was an even bigger jump.
My point is, don't arbitratily nerf sorc when it's all this specific combination of stuff that is required to make sorc good at killing the trial dummy
In a lot of content, these options will not apply. It's not viable. Monolith of storms is amazing on the dummy, and the proc does almost nothing in most content. The pylons are too slow to spawn, they take too long to proc the actual damage and it usually misses most of the targets.
Without the 200 spell damage per pylon it's a really really bad set.
But on the dummy you get 100% uptime very easily. This is not realistic.
Almost every skill at the top of a sorc parse has NO CLEAVE.
Crystal Frags, bound armaments, static reverb, your spammable, concussion, light attacks. This is what is sitting at the top of a sorc parse.
Sorc dps is good at one thing only, and that's single target dps. It's ok to let sorcs be the best at that. It's fine for them to be 5% or even 10% above the rest if that's the only thing they are doing.
My weave is pretty quick, 0.019 with good uptimes on my skills. I'm not missing light many light attacks and I even did the cheese overload start.
I can say this without any quivication, this build is dead. pet builds are dead.
exactly the same setup, with no pets
swap in monolith of stroms and mora's scribe
it keeps going until you layer in enough cheesey BS that you end up with
If Static was the problem, then the first no pet parse would be a sudden huge jump. Swapping the sets was a much bigger jump.
adding signet, banner and status knife was an even bigger jump.
My point is, don't arbitratily nerf sorc when it's all this specific combination of stuff that is required to make sorc good at killing the trial dummy
In a lot of content, these options will not apply. It's not viable. Monolith of storms is amazing on the dummy, and the proc does almost nothing in most content. The pylons are too slow to spawn, they take too long to proc the actual damage and it usually misses most of the targets.
Without the 200 spell damage per pylon it's a really really bad set.
But on the dummy you get 100% uptime very easily. This is not realistic.
Almost every skill at the top of a sorc parse has NO CLEAVE.
Crystal Frags, bound armaments, static reverb, your spammable, concussion, light attacks. This is what is sitting at the top of a sorc parse.
Sorc dps is good at one thing only, and that's single target dps. It's ok to let sorcs be the best at that. It's fine for them to be 5% or even 10% above the rest if that's the only thing they are doing.
Tannus15
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Re: Update 50 PTS – Week 1 Summary
I dont see any potencial scenario where you can go without healers in vet dlc dungeons and trials . It's just anxiety out of nowhere here. Just try it and you will not live for long. For most part we dont see healer or tank in normal (or even dlc and vet base game dungeons) only because queue for dd is SO LONG so its easier for them to switch roles or most dungeons let you skip most of mechanics with higher dps than expected. THIS is NOT problem of losing buffs or something.
Saying to all of people here who scared about healer extinction only because ONE buff from only ONE viable set (Olorime doesnt work well and nobody wear mythics that provides Major Courage it) in game will be given to Werewolf its crazy. Also by doing math we can see that Major Courage not so viable in 4 man content - its only shine in trials, specially in vet trial. So anyone of you actually played in them? Because its such a hard work - to keep ALL buff for 100% uptime and by giving major courage to werewolf we can use ANY other sets that will provide buffs to whole group. Dont forget about that healer is SUPPORT ROLE.
For me as healer player in normal and vet content this seems like greed and overreaction. Im tired of SCP meta and buffs from only one source.
Imagine world when you no longer need to farm White Gold Tower to became good healer. If we want more healers - we should make it easier for them to go in.
Im not a big fun of role-dependent buff and debuff. Support roles will always be viable and there SO SO MANY options to bring without SPC!
Saying to all of people here who scared about healer extinction only because ONE buff from only ONE viable set (Olorime doesnt work well and nobody wear mythics that provides Major Courage it) in game will be given to Werewolf its crazy. Also by doing math we can see that Major Courage not so viable in 4 man content - its only shine in trials, specially in vet trial. So anyone of you actually played in them? Because its such a hard work - to keep ALL buff for 100% uptime and by giving major courage to werewolf we can use ANY other sets that will provide buffs to whole group. Dont forget about that healer is SUPPORT ROLE.
For me as healer player in normal and vet content this seems like greed and overreaction. Im tired of SCP meta and buffs from only one source.
Imagine world when you no longer need to farm White Gold Tower to became good healer. If we want more healers - we should make it easier for them to go in.
Im not a big fun of role-dependent buff and debuff. Support roles will always be viable and there SO SO MANY options to bring without SPC!
lexsota
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
IncultaWolf wrote: »For all of those asking for video proof of WW overperforming, here you go. Keep in mind that some of the players in this video are genuinely amongst the top pvp players in the entire game, getting absolutely obliterated with almost no chance of fighting back at all by a guy weaving two damaging skills with light attacks and 40k hp.
There is no defending how broken this is.https://youtu.be/zYtbITjCW-4?si=geC3xCf8s0W9IhWw
Looks like abusing multiple proc set interactions with static reverberation. Those should get adjusted first before we go calling for nerfs on a playstyle that's been worse than necro for the last 5 years.
huskandhunger wrote: »huskandhunger wrote: »For all of those asking for video proof of WW overperforming, here you go. Keep in mind that some of the players in this video are genuinely amongst the top pvp players in the entire game, getting absolutely obliterated with almost no chance of fighting back at all by a guy weaving two damaging skills with light attacks and 40k hp.
There is no defending how broken this is.
This person is covering up their ability bar and add-ons, so I think this video is disingenuous. We would need full transparency if something is really going on otherwise who is to say this player is not simply exploiting---either in sets or in class mastery passives or other interactions we haven't thought of, those appear to be the real overpowered element.
His ability bar is visible the whole time. Addons don't change anything within the game.
I posted pelican's CMX in this thread showing what he was using anyways, but you guys told me it didn't prove anything and requested video evidence. Theres the video.
Remove the block squares, you are hiding information.
Also if you or your friends have encountered a specific bug or proc set interactions with Relequen and the Sorc Class Mastery passives that the videos appear to show are causing some kind of effect or issue in the game, I would encourage you both to use the in-game support feature to submit the bugs as a ticket.
Come on man, how are we supposed to know that what he's running in the video is the same thing as what the CMX was showing? None of us are mind readers, so let's not act like everyone should have already known. I hadn't even noticed initially that the guy's name was on those CMX screens so didn't know it was his stuff, either. We also still don't know what else this person was running aside from Relequin in the first batch of screens or what ANY of his Sets in the second batch you provided were. Part of this whole thing asking for proof is for us to get info on BUILDS that both other people AND the WW are using. Because if it's the same few builds over and over and over that's not going to give us any actual variation in information to pull from.huskandhunger wrote: »For all of those asking for video proof of WW overperforming, here you go. Keep in mind that some of the players in this video are genuinely amongst the top pvp players in the entire game, getting absolutely obliterated with almost no chance of fighting back at all by a guy weaving two damaging skills with light attacks and 40k hp.
There is no defending how broken this is.
This person is covering up their ability bar and add-ons, so I think this video is disingenuous. We would need full transparency if something is really going on otherwise who is to say this player is not simply exploiting---either in sets or in class mastery passives or other interactions we haven't thought of, those appear to be the real overpowered element.
His ability bar is visible the whole time. Addons don't change anything within the game.
I posted pelican's CMX in this thread showing what he was using anyways, but you guys told me it didn't prove anything and requested video evidence. Theres the video.
And the main thing is if he's a Sorc in all those clips in the video you posted, that isn't telling us whether WW is overtuned or whether the Sorc Mastery Passives is. Get this guy to make a NB WW, a Subclassing WW, any Class that ISN'T a Sorc, or hell just a Sorc that isn't using those Passives. If all the clips in that video are him being a Sorc using those Passives, it literally does not indicate anything other than those Passives needing changes rather than WW needing it.
See the below comment for the uncensored video. The remaining black box is just covering his chatbox.
Here's the video without the AUI covered. The other black box is just the chatbox being censored.https://youtu.be/8i0KEthi4q8?si=s-oEOZd0gnx6vKR8
React
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Re: U50 Bug Reports for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
luckiestlycan wrote: »If you purchase a passive while already transformed into a Werewolf, the passive will not apply any combat effects until you re-transform. This is expected behavior due to how the passives are set up on the backend.
@ZOS_Erin apologies, but I believe you've misinterpreted the issue;
Putting one point into Feral Cruelty is giving the 16% Weapon & Spell Damage Buff as intended.
But when you put two points in Feral Cruelty, it isn't giving you the 33% Weapon & Spell Damage Buff, instead it's only giving Major Resolve without any Weapon & Spell Damage Buff.
Can confirm this as well. Currently you only get the Weapon & Spell Damage if you only have 1 point put into the Feral Cruelty passive, it's 16% or nothing at all.
I've recorded a video to demonstrate:
https://youtu.be/56YpFXAxQ38Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
Feels like we’re getting off topic here…
Personally I want the movement speed cap to be increased for werewolves. Apex predators like us should be able to easily catch any prey, especially those streakers!
Still no snare removal though, which is highly unfortunate.
Personally I want the movement speed cap to be increased for werewolves. Apex predators like us should be able to easily catch any prey, especially those streakers!
Still no snare removal though, which is highly unfortunate.
Ataskir
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
Any other general thoughts around Class Mastery?
It's a perfect first step to balance subclassing.
But there is one more thing you can do: a simple class passive rework.
Do a full pass on all Class skill lines and tweak them following a pattern where each Class skill line has:
Creating this consistent pattern would automatically shift the playing field toward balance, and offer a simple universal control hook to fine-tune the gap.
You could also make things that enhance "Class Skills" (such as the Class Embodiment bonus in IA or the unique 5% Solar Barrage buff) only apply to the base class (wherever that's not already the case).
It's a perfect first step to balance subclassing.
But there is one more thing you can do: a simple class passive rework.
Do a full pass on all Class skill lines and tweak them following a pattern where each Class skill line has:
- 2 unconditional passives
- 1 passive that requires slotting a skill from that line on the current bar
- 1 passive that stacks based on the number of skills slotted on both bars from the base class of the skill line
Creating this consistent pattern would automatically shift the playing field toward balance, and offer a simple universal control hook to fine-tune the gap.
You could also make things that enhance "Class Skills" (such as the Class Embodiment bonus in IA or the unique 5% Solar Barrage buff) only apply to the base class (wherever that's not already the case).
Re: Inventory is Excessive Micro-Management
one thing that would be nice is if you could characterize items / item types as trash once and they keep being "trash" until you untrash them and you can decon or sell all trash with 1 button
