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Re: Do you think ZOS has abandoned Grey Host?
Not just the lag. Everyone complained about the limited build system with only vanilla sets. So it was the worst of both worlds, the lag of GH, the limited builds of Vengeance.MincMincMinc wrote: »People always bring up the noproc didnt work
xylena
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Re: Do you think ZOS has abandoned Grey Host?
MincMincMinc wrote: »Condensing the queue to only GH and Vengeance shows investment in GH. Vengeance wasn't competing for Blackreach players, so this effectively adds to the GH player pool.Players keep underestimating technical limitations every time the devs address this subject. They even said that build system calculations were the main cause of lag. We don't know how even simple sets like Hunding's Rage are actually coded, so I'm gonna trust the devs on this.MincMincMinc wrote: »Then start adding the less server intensive proc sets.
Also: they did No Proc Cyro for a whole patch and it did NOT solve the lag, it was boring one build Beekeeper tank meta. I don't know why so many players forget this.
People always bring up the noproc didnt work.......well for one zos said it was not significant enough to backtrack on all the procs and designs in the game. We never got numbers on the issue because it wasnt a silver bullet, maybe it helped 5%, 10% but we simply were never shown any data. When the data was insignificant it was the people in charge of finance to decide to overhaul the game or live with the inefficiency and focus on pushing profit content. (they went with the obvious choice)
Why wasnt it a silver bullet though? Now I dont know how the ESO game engine handles things, but I have played with unreal engine enough where in there I think item sets, skills, and other proc effect would be handled very similarly. So what are other possible proc effects that happen in the game?
- Weapon enchants proc off light attacks and have timers and following procs with things like status effects >>
- status effects have their own calculations and side effects like aoe or dots with debuffs not to mention the whole chance mechanics
- Each tick has a crit chance effect
- Passives like burning light are a proc effect
- Potions are a proc effect
- even racials have procs in them like orc's healing, redguard stam
- Skills like critsurge proccing off every crit or just general bloated 5 paragraph description skills that do 20 things
- Half the CP in the game probably do proc like effects.
- then there are the item sets of course where you can distinguish stat proc sets and proc effect sets or proc buff sets if we'd like
Point is that with all the above a build maybe has upwards of 50+ proc conditions waiting to trigger. Removing the item sets that contribute maybe 4-5 of those is a drop in the hat. The whole game is bloated, you either trim the fat or reduce your expectations for player capacity. Veng atleast showed us that if all the above is removed it goes back to the expected server capacity. Zos decided to reduce expectations and just lower the player capacity thus we are getting GH shoved into a one keep campaign.
Honestly, the nonexistent performance gains of No-Proc felt as though all of the logic for proc sets continued to function and operate in the background but that only the actual proc effects were prohibited from firing.
Which would be like, if true... completely missing the point... of how to realize performance gains from that ruleset.
And then, of course, everything else that you say is true. So many ambient procs operating 24/7 and baked-into basically every subsystem in the game.
Re: Class refreshes, subclassing vs multiclassing
CalamityCat wrote: »The DK refresh does make me concerned about warden, given that DKs are now focused on fire and the poison was removed. I have never liked the frost side of warden, so if that becomes the main aesthetic, it's going to break the whole way I play the class. I think there are different options in all classes, and I value all of them. Even the ones I don't use or like. If they all start merging into one it's going to annoy a lot of players.
Remember though, DK never had a skill line called “Heart of Venom.” They didn’t even have poison at release, it was specifically added in U10 to give a Stamina-alternative to flame, but that became unnecessary with Hybridization.
Warden is not likely to lose frost as a damage type since it is literally the name of one of its skill lines. But the other lines also reference plants and animals.
I do expect some unification of damage though. Warden has a lot of bleed in the animal line (but then some inexplicable Magic and Poison), and no damage in the Green Balance line. I expect they’ll try to make all of the animal and plant damage be either Bleed or Poison, possibly with some Frost morphs because Winter’s will be all Frost.
Re: Class refreshes, subclassing vs multiclassing
i think Warden's Green Balance line will get some skill morphs that deal Poison damage.
The class will probably have Frost, Poison, and maybe Bleed.
Magic damage can be replaced by Frost so it is more consistent throughout the class.
i also think the argument with Subclassing not being like other games and saying it should be called Multiclassing instead is pointless. Players also love to refer to Chapters and other DLC as expansions.
It is confusing, just use whichever term ZOS decided on for the in-game system so we all know what we are referring to.
i am optimistic about the Class Refresh.
Hoping all my Subclassed builds all still work after each Refresh.
The class will probably have Frost, Poison, and maybe Bleed.
Magic damage can be replaced by Frost so it is more consistent throughout the class.
i also think the argument with Subclassing not being like other games and saying it should be called Multiclassing instead is pointless. Players also love to refer to Chapters and other DLC as expansions.
It is confusing, just use whichever term ZOS decided on for the in-game system so we all know what we are referring to.
i am optimistic about the Class Refresh.
Hoping all my Subclassed builds all still work after each Refresh.
Re: Class refreshes, subclassing vs multiclassing
For Templars they are mostly light focused, with just a few skills being "lightless". If lightlessness was a theme in more of the abilities, I would say a "dark Templar" is a potential subset. But there just isn't enough for that to be currently true, and so I can't think of a current subset within Templar other than stamina vs magicka.
They took away the actuall lightlessness a few patches ago. It's all pee coloured now. :'(
Re: Why is there a timer at the end of a dungeon?
It's because each dungeon is an instance, and the goal is to get that server space back.
Yes, people run dungeons solo and then the timer doesn't trigger, but I think that's an edge case that was not considered when the timer was implemented. But in general, the original idea was that people would run the dungeon and get out so the instance could be freed, and not have one person AFK in the instance holding it open for eternity.
Finn made a post on the PTS forum talking about how more smaller instances actually make performance worse for the overall game, so the idea is that one person is not able to essentially hold the game's performance hostage. I'm sure they could increase the timer, but the exact thing they don't want is for one person to make a permanent instance of an empty dungeon (times hundreds of players) which would start to degrade performance over the whole game.
Yes, people run dungeons solo and then the timer doesn't trigger, but I think that's an edge case that was not considered when the timer was implemented. But in general, the original idea was that people would run the dungeon and get out so the instance could be freed, and not have one person AFK in the instance holding it open for eternity.
Finn made a post on the PTS forum talking about how more smaller instances actually make performance worse for the overall game, so the idea is that one person is not able to essentially hold the game's performance hostage. I'm sure they could increase the timer, but the exact thing they don't want is for one person to make a permanent instance of an empty dungeon (times hundreds of players) which would start to degrade performance over the whole game.
Re: Why is there a timer at the end of a dungeon?
Agreed! I have often wished for this. It used to be much worse, however -- the timer used to be only a few seconds and there would not even be time to turn in the quest often, if everyone else immediately left.
On a related note, I would also like the option to opt out of getting immediately pulled to a boss as soon as the speed runner arrives at it. I often get pulled away from a chest I am opening, loot I am collecting, or trash mobs I am fighting. I am glad the option for the pull exists (so you can still get credit for the last boss even when there is a speed runner) but it should not be obligatory.
On a related note, I would also like the option to opt out of getting immediately pulled to a boss as soon as the speed runner arrives at it. I often get pulled away from a chest I am opening, loot I am collecting, or trash mobs I am fighting. I am glad the option for the pull exists (so you can still get credit for the last boss even when there is a speed runner) but it should not be obligatory.
Re: Official Discussion Thread for "Crown Store Showcase—April 2026"
@ZOS_Kevin Is the price change for this costume pack intended? Because it used to be 700/560 Crowns.
Re: Is Mesh network PvP the future of cyrodil
MincMincMinc wrote: »As we saw in the livestreams zos is designing a one keep campaign. Where we have three spawn zones surrounding a single keep with a river going around it. There are bridges for bridge fights, and outside the river are resource nodes to contest. We know to solve the pvp lag issues they are simply reducing the player population again to account for the ballooning game code.
The real question is whether zos is going to take this mini keep campaign and go further with it. Theoretically they could distribute the playerbase across multiple mini zones each controlled by their own server to distribute the lag. Imagine if we took cyrodil and made a hex grid across the map. Then every hex was its own server where you could run between and swap to. Thus they could cut down the lag of a server in half or more depending how many keep fights are going on. If they were really smart they would probably disband the 3 faction concept and find ways to prevent massive singularity events where everyone in the campaign winds up at a single keep.
Ive been wondering about this for a while. But not on such a large scale. Like they said they cant give us large scale pvp with minimal lag and no changes to what we have access to. But i dont expect large scale combat with minimal lag. I just want to be able to have a 5 player fight at allessia and not be impacted by the massive zerg fight at chalmen. And i dont see why they cant give us that at least. Some form of lag during massive fights is expected, at least if you have any experience in large scale fights in any mmo. Maybe not always esos notorious, and abysmal, ability delay. But extreme FPS drops can be bad as well.
But i was thinking maybe they could split cyro into parts, with like a load screen in separating both halves. But thats just a thought, regardless i feel like they should be able to, at least, give us better performance away from massive fights in cyrodiil.
Lagzee
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Re: Werewolves should exceed Movement Speed Cap
I have over 7K hours into the game and play mostly for werewolf too, so this ain't a 'lack of experience' thing.
Folks gotta understand that the model is bigger now, we're not a tiny little ratdog running around anymore, thank goodness. We're a big beast, but that speed may FEEL slower as a result. Maybe a passive isn't working, there's already a combat one that doesn't. BUT I don't think werewolf needs to be as fast as a mount, that has varying balance issues that people aren't thinking about.
Folks gotta understand that the model is bigger now, we're not a tiny little ratdog running around anymore, thank goodness. We're a big beast, but that speed may FEEL slower as a result. Maybe a passive isn't working, there's already a combat one that doesn't. BUT I don't think werewolf needs to be as fast as a mount, that has varying balance issues that people aren't thinking about.
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