xylena wrote: »

They can rework things in a way that buffs classes while removing degenerate interactions.

So this means buffing Conservation of Energy to 3-4% of ressource and limiting it to class ability. Because otherwise is far from fair or appropriate.

@React
Because the information we're asking for isn't being provided. We're asking for CMX and vidoes of WW ON OTHER CLASSES or AT LEAST without Conservation of Energy for healing and Static Reverberation for the massive damage once it starts procing. You and other people keep saying that you're "seeing" these things yet even though it's been asked for for days, none of that proof is finding it's way here. To people who have been asked over and over.

And you just keep defaulting back to top end PvPers as what all of something should be based around. Balancing should NEVER be based around what the top 1% of players can achieve. I've already stated that numerous times, but these people who are super ultra great at the game are the ones you want to refer to as proof that something is OP. If you gave these high-end PvPers mid or even sucky gear, they'd probably STILL be able to crank out better numbers than your average PvPer.

You can't look at what the average person might be hitting and go "oh but THOSE numbers don't matter when this handful of like 20 people (number is just an example) can do a lot more". hoangdz's screen doing 6k without Trial Gear and without those Sorc Passives is way closer to what your average person will probably be running. It'll probably be even less honestly.

But we need more proof than just this one screen, this might have been a fluke. Because maybe WW really IS overperforming, or maybe it's only OP in the hands of people who are at the top of the PvP game. As for people like me not providing evidence, we aren't the ones making claims. If someone makes claims the onus is on THEM to provide proof. Besides, I don't PvP and hoangdz has already basically said if a person doesn't PvP they don't get to have a say in this whole thing.

But let me ask something. I'm horrible at PvP, all forms of it. If I were to try to provide any of my own evidence about whether or not WW is OP on anything than specific builds (my WW is a NB Khajiit using Pillar of Nirn, Deadly Strike, and Oakensoul), would that information be disregarded because it's from someone who doesn't PvP? Would the argument go "well you're not very good at PvP so of course your damage will be low" if it turns out to be butt? The onus isn't on those of us asking, but if any provided evidence will be accepted then I can try to find someone capable of doing recordings and do some fights. PC NA if anyone in here is down.

At the end of the day, none of us asking for proof are trying to keep WW OP. We're just asking for simple proof that what was claimed to be overperforming actually is, and based on that screen that hoangdz posted...I'm willing to bet the average player won't be pulling super high numbers.

First time through Rogue's Refuge I accidentally got stuck in the walls when activating the doors. It was very easy to recreate. Not really sure what solutions for that could look like, but it wasn't great despite being kind of funny.

If not readily fixable, maybe the space in the wall could just be bigger like you are hiding/spying?

Grawr.

The amount of evidence doesn't matter if it isn't the right evidence. A 3hr video of the same information wouldn't prove any more than what we have seen already in an 18 minute video.

The test needs to be controlled. The same enemy player, geared the same way. Then show what the differences are when things are changed.