2 bar HA or rhakat builds can be more difficult to play, just as difficult as a regular 2 bar.

But that has nothing to do with oakensoul, a oaken HA build is the least effort build u can possibly imagine. vAS+2 was just an example, it might be old, but even now with subclassing groups can struggle with immortal redeemer, so it's a great example. But back then it was *** easy, so was things like unchained, and every trial/dungeon was crammed full of as many oakensorcs as the game would let u. You cut down on as many supports as possoble, since the ring allready gave all the buffs and oakensorcs never died

Its a game not a job yes, its also an MMO, and a common theme of mmo's, is some effort to have balance.

I agree they lack some burst but this should be fixed with skills and abilities, not cramming every single rare buff into 1 item.

For all we know, the upcomming pure class masteries enda up giving the final burst thats missing

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Giaur wrote: »

In my opinion, Bethesda sold the soul of ESO with the tomes. With this battlepass ESO ist just another grinder with no own soul!
The daily and weekly grind for the tomes is boring as hell!
I already miss the questing of the chapters and not being forced to harvest 6 times 15 ore, kill 1.000 foes for stupid battlepass points.

just my cent

Nobody is forcing you to do anything. Here's a radical idea, just play what you want, when you want. Don't let FOMO govern your life.

When people say this, it's ignoring that this is what the Devs are spending a lot of effort on now. Chores and related cosmetics. And they will do so every quarter as the focus will be on creating cosmetics to put into tomes. To say just ignore tomes...well, you get nothing at the moment at all to enjoy.

So I can see people concerned.

Agreed with everything that’s been said about Zerith Var, and I want to include his full quest is one of my favorites as well.

BretonMage wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

I'm going to assume this is a joke post/satire or something, but in case it isn't...I hate to say this, but it's a game. If you don't want to kill animals you don't have to, but let's not try to impose real-world morals on a video game or claim that 'killing' pixels on a screen is 'slaughter'. Also you already seem to know that mobs in Delves/Dungeons not counting is a bug, so the whole "is this fair" thing is kind of a moot point anyway.

If we feel our sensibilities stung by senseless slaughter, it's because it's natural for people with functioning empathy to feel for the suffering of others, and often even when we know the others aren't real. I mean, if games are "just games", what's the point of feeling moved by the characters of Baldur's Gate or Expedition 33? Or, for that matter, Romeo and Juliet?

Not saying I'd actually condemn the players who kill innocents in the game, but it's not pleasant to see either.

That whole "people with functioning empathy" line is a hell of a statement, because it implies people who kill non-living things in a game somehow lack it. I'm one of the most empathatic people I know, I cry super easily when others are upset or during sad scenes in games or movies. I abhor real-world violence and it gets me REALLY mad when I hear about things like animals or people being abused or killed. But there is a big difference between getting emotionally attached to characters and getting emotionally attached to Random NPC Animal #5,301.

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

"It's just a game" someone says.
Of course.
But... why cats and dogs are unkillable in the game... is it not a game for those kind of animals?
You do not find any child in the game... why???
So please, don't say things that contradict the evidence, please.

Because it IS just a game. It is fiction. It is not real. There are no real animals being harmed or killed. There is no real suffering. It is not real.

Dogs and cats aren't killable because ESO is based in the United States, where those animals are pets and NOT game or livestock animals. But all the animals you CAN kill? They are actually hunted irl (the ones that exist irl anyway) for food and other things, or are livestock animals that are raised as food or for leather, milk, and so on. Pigs, goats, squirrels, rabbits, elk, deer, etc are all animals that get hunted or raised as livestock.

What does children not being in the game have to do with anything? The answer is because they didn't feel like coding them in but that isn't some sort of gotcha point at all. They didn't add children not because of morality but because it would have been extra coding. The things you tried to bring up aren't evidence at all and contradict nothing.

Also as other people have mentioned, there are numerous recipes that call for meat of different kinds. What's the difference between someone running around killing animals to farm mats (because they also tend to drop things like Guts as someone else mentioned) and someone killing for any other reason? It's not like it's 'wasting' the animal, because again, it isn't real.

aetherix8 wrote: »

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

1,000 kills for the seasonal challenge in three designated areas. In dungeons/delves, mobs don't count, but in the overland, all you need to do is kill a harmless little animal with a light attack (they have 1 hp) to boost your score.
Does that seem fair to you?
I obviously refrain from this senseless hunt for squirrels, deer, or the cute little Nixads, but I'm outraged by the obscene spectacle of thousands of players mercilessly crushing everything that moves. It disgusts me.
But what was the need for that?
This game often stands out for protecting certain minorities, and I'm pleased. Why not protect the sensibilities of those who oppose the killing of innocent little animals?
What demonstration of skill or strength is firing a light attack at a hare or a heron?
I hope ZOS reconsiders, and along with the promised fix to the zone dungeons/delves, that ZOS does not continue to encourage this needless slaughter.

The moment I saw “foes” and “Wrothgar” I knew exactly what I would be doing for the next 1 hour or so. I picked a nice spot with at least 7 squirrels, some goats and rabbits, deer and those cute little echatere along with bears, mammoths, and some other creatures. I completed this challenge fairly fast. And I saw countless players passing by and deleting all those bears, mammoths and adult echatere, while I was making sure nobody notices how much critter spawns in this one spot.

I must admit that there is something disturbing in these mass killings “challenges”.
It is indeed slightly aggravating to witness so much violence and death. The massacre of those majestic mammoths was the most difficult to watch for me personally.

Now, we rush through this challenge in order to unlock the next tome page. But I would prefer these challenges to be about killing “enemies” instead of “foes”. “Enemies” exclude critter, afaik. This category only includes creatures that attack players who come too close.

If it upset you that much why in the world would you just sit there watching people do it then? If it was disturbing and bothered you that much for non-living animals (which isn't even graphic at all, there's no blood or organs or anything), then go to another zone instead of spending all that time there.

If you don't want to kill animals for Challenges, then don't. But don't ask for the option to be taken from everyone because of something you dislike. Once again, let's not impose real-world morals onto a video game.

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Can someone explain why ‘foes’ in *** dungeons & delves don’t count?

That is the more relevant point.

It's a bug currently that mobs in Delves and Dungeons aren't counting towards the Challenge, they're aware of it and it should have been added to the list of bugs by now.

M0ntie wrote: »

Can someone give me a tldr on this post?

Once upon a time, there was a bunch of threads clogging the forums where people asked for optional overland difficulty increases while others argued they should not exist. The devs decided to clean up the forums and give people a place to discuss the issue that was a sticky so it could be easily ignored by those that didn't want to participate. It didn't stop some people who were bummed these threads existed from participating, but it did mostly end the "these discussions shouldn't exist and the topic is spam," debates.

The primary debate soon became overland difficulty sliders vs instances.

This broke down into 4 main groups

Those who wanted optional difficulty in the form of a slider.

Those who wanted optional difficulty in the form of separate instances.

Those who wanted to force everyone into a harder difficulty because they think it's not hard enough and it's preventing people from getting good.

Those who wanted the devs to not do anything at all because they felt it would be unfair for casual players if vets "took over," overland since "they already have the rest of the game."

The latter two groups were rarer. There were other suggestions here and there e.g. new adventure zones and wandering world bosses.

And for years that's how things stayed with posts from these camps triggering random debates and then the thread dying down until the next burst of activity.

But then the devs decided to go with the slider idea. Since then the main debate shifted to whether or not people should be allowed to celebrate the idea they wanted getting implemented, whether or not vets should be allowed to farm in overland, and whether or not this slider is really the best way to handle the difficulty options.

There have also been random complaints outside of difficulty in this thread, especially within the last several months. But the predominant topic has been difficulty.

Hircine demands I hunt, so hunt I must.

I want more challenges like these, they’re pretty fun for us werewolf players!

I often go rabbit shooting in Wrothgar... it's how I feed my family. I go there because those cute black furry bunnies are so easy prey on that pure white snow. I sort of jest, but it's also true. Braised Rabbit is so tasty.

I'm not sure the quest/challenge is the issue. The problem is that people seem to want to complete it in hours/days, rather than the 80+ days that the season has left to run (this is a SEASONAL not weekly challenge after all). There is no rush to finish this particular quest/challenge, but people feel the need to do so. I don't think that is the fault of ZOS in the round.

True that perhaps some of the quests/challenges could be better designed or thought through... but at the end of the day, the runners and fast-pacers will always rush ahead and get there first.... and those of us who want a slower pace of life will always find our bunnies dead, and our families eating nothing but Baked Apples.

It was an awesome questline. True to what TES storytelling used to be: An exploration of a fictional culture and their traditions, and not moralizing at that.

ESO_player123 wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

Auto loot should be removed. Ran across a character that was obviously unmanned. They moved in a set pattern, jumping routinely (done to avoid obstacles) and didn't stop to fight or collect loot. They fought using a spammed AOE attack. If auto loot was not a thing, this kind of behavior in public dungeons would not be advantageous.

Maybe remove the public sales as well. Allow private one-on-one sales but not have guild stores. If there were no guild stores, then farming in the above fashion would not be as advantageous. Therefore, these non-players would not be disrupting the progress and enjoyment of actual players.

In there is no "public sales" two thing will happen:
1. Players who are not in a guild (like me) would farm even more for their personal use. Because no one wants to spend time spamming in the zone chat what they want to buy.
2. Players that want to trade will STILL be farming. But in addition there will be bot sellers spamming the zone chat with their wares.

I think what you are looking for at this point is a single player game.

I don't know why you guys bother anymore. It's become obvious trolling and what I think the kids call rage baiting.