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Re: The Automation Crisis: Why "UI Add-ons" on Console Violate Official Policy
Sorry but it is 2026. We cannot and should not be held back by PS4 and Xbox One. This isn’t a really good argument to push to ZoS imo. I would hope we aren’t going to be held back by 2013 hardware 
Re: The Automation Crisis: Why "UI Add-ons" on Console Violate Official Policy
You have to physically walk to the trigger point. Same as with Lazy Writ Crafter, but it does not interact with the crafting table for you any more than WW will open the door to the boss room for you.heimdall14_9 wrote: »Wizards Wardrobe: Identifies a boss or trash pack and executes 60+ swaps without the player touching a single button. One requires you to play the game; the other plays the game for you.
If crafting a daily writ requires just one player action, why would addons be needed? That's because they need multiple player actions and you know it.heimdall14_9 wrote: »2. The "One-Action" Rule
The official ZOS stance on automation is clear: One player action = One game action. * When you open a crafting station, that is your one action.
It's a swap you do in menus. It does not play for you. You still need to kill the boss. WW doesn't do that for you.heimdall14_9 wrote: »WW’s "Auto-Swap" senses the environment and triggers itself. That is the definition of a Gameplay Script/Macro, which is explicitly forbidden in the ESO Code of Conduct.
Are you deliberately misrepresenting the situation or do you genuinely not understand what is going on with this?heimdall14_9 wrote: »Just this week, we saw ZOS remove major libraries like LibHarvensAddonSettings from consoles.
What skills do you need to use in order to swap gear? WW is "UI-only" although it does not show the UI. It does absolutely nothing that is outside of menus.heimdall14_9 wrote: »The fact that a "UI-Only" promise was made for Update 46 Console Add-ons proves that automation scripts are in the crosshairs.
No, both save time on tedious menu scrolling. Same rules apply than if you would manually swap your setup. No swapping during combat, no assigning skills/CP that you haven't opened.heimdall14_9 wrote: »Lazy Crafter saves time on chores. Wizards Wardrobe automates combat strategy.
There is no autopilot with WW. It does what you would do in the menu, but automatically. You might find looking at menus in the middle of a dungeon exciting and an integral part of the gameplay experience, but many of us don't. We just want to play the dungeon and not do inventory management in the middle of it.heimdall14_9 wrote: »If we allow "autopilot" in Trials and Dungeons, we might as well just let the game play itself while we watch.
Re: When you see this and go 'yep, is an MMO allright'
Yeah. ESO tends to be full of interesting players. There was this guy in Rift who kept making loud sermons about Hicine in the zone chat ^^
Re: The Automation Crisis: Why "UI Add-ons" on Console Violate Official Policy
Why does it feel like you’re plugging your replies into chatGPT 😅
Anyways, GL on your journey to get this add on removed. I don’t see it happening as this has been around since 2021.
And before I fully disengage with this thread, I will point out that this here
This quote is directly from @ZOS_Kevin
Anyways, GL on your journey to get this add on removed. I don’t see it happening as this has been around since 2021.
And before I fully disengage with this thread, I will point out that this here
is not true.3. "Because it exists, it must be legal" is a Myth
Your argument that "ZOS would have removed it if they didn't like it" doesn't hold water. ZOS has a long history of ignoring PC exploits until they bleed over and break the Console ecosystem. * Just this week, we saw ZOS remove major libraries like LibHarvensAddonSettings from consoles. They are actively moderating what belongs on PS5 and Xbox now.
This quote is directly from @ZOS_Kevin
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/689096/current-addon-issues#latestHi everyone. We understand that many of you have noticed recent changes affecting the availability of LibHarvensAddonSettings (LHAS) and that this has impacted the functionality of certain ESO addons. We recognize that this situation is frustrating and may interrupt your experience. Please know that our teams have also been in communication with the relevant parties and are actively working to support continuity wherever possible while we work toward a resolution.
Thank you for your understanding and patience as we continue to address this matter.
Re: The Automation Crisis: Why "UI Add-ons" on Console Violate Official Policy
PS4 and Xbox One are 2013 Hardware.
I read this as: easy solution - get rid of that hardware. Either the player upgrades or the Devs abandon it.
Would be nonsense to remove add-ons from next gen consoles just because of that, and let PC have them. Crossplay is coming; if we need an even playing field just get rid of old hardware, not add-ons.
This makes sense, not the other way around, sir.
I read this as: easy solution - get rid of that hardware. Either the player upgrades or the Devs abandon it.
Would be nonsense to remove add-ons from next gen consoles just because of that, and let PC have them. Crossplay is coming; if we need an even playing field just get rid of old hardware, not add-ons.
This makes sense, not the other way around, sir.
Re: UI respec V WW add-on ( from an PSN main)
Reginald_leBlem wrote: »I'm stuck on why you are so bent out of shape over this. It's a free addon, available in minion.
You pointed out yourself it doesn't do anything automatically that you can't do manually. It literally just saves time. It's there for convenience. If you don't like it just don't use it....?
It's not an "unfair advantage" if someone wants to use it because its a free addon accessible to everyone
This is such a non-issue.
Not to mention the devs effectively endorsed WW and the like when they explicitly said they would not disable or interfere with the functioning of respec add-ons upon introducing the armory. That isn’t the behavior or language of a team that considers respec add-ons against ToS/CoC. Quite the opposite.
Re: Guild Spamming Issue
The saddest part of this whole thing is that ONE PERSON can take our feedback to heart and make it stop.
Re: Guild Spamming Issue
SpycyTurnyp wrote: »Hello all, I wanted to chime in as a member of the guild that is under attack here. Yes, under attack. This post, as well as others, are part of a coordinated attack that has been started in discords of other guilds. I personally see this as harassment, bullying, and an abuse of the forums. The GM doing all this has also joined, then left shortly after, the discord of the guild under attack, likely in order to get the usernames of officers so that they can share them with their guild and falsely mass report, which is against TOS.
Onto my experiences with the guild in question, they have been completely positive. I never would have joined a guild if it wasn't for getting a random invite, and I'm incredibly happy to have received it. The guild is full of helpful friendly people, always happy to help out. Despite what everyone is posting here (because they were told to in discord by their GM), the guild chat is full of new members thanking us for getting invited.
Requiring discord is a very standard practice for guilds, not just for ESO, but for MMOs in general. The guild interface in ESO is lacking, and discord makes guild coordination so much easier and more efficient. Yes, the guild being attacked does have inactivity purges, just like the majority of active guilds do. This is necessary for maintaining and active guild.
This guild took me in as a new player, taught me how to play the game, spent lots of time and resources on teaching me and plenty of other members how to get into the endgame, and has become a community that I, and many others call home, and I'm tired of being harassed over an invite that many are happy to receive, and that takes less than a second to decline.
I don't care about that drama, at all. I only want the spam invite addon to go away or the API changed to render it unusable. That is all.
I couldn't give two flips about the guild itself. I just want the spam to stop. I'd wager most of the people in this thread feel the same way.
Re: Update 49 PTS – Week 4 Summary
What Skinny cheeks said is only true if your [damage done] stat is considerably larger than the [damage to monsters] stat. Which it's not, in the vast majority of builds and circumstances.
Skinnycheeks got the calculations extremely wrong, and did it with nonesensical numbers that can't exist in ESO under normal circumstances.
Very disappointing to see blatant clickbait and outrage farming from a content creator like Skinnycheeks. It just encourages people to be angry and have knee-jerk reactions without understanding changes.
Indeed what you say is true if you consider only players questing or casual gaming or roleplaying.
BUT, from the moment you enter into a hardcore content (hard mode trials, trifectas, score pushing etc...) with an organised group, most of the bonuses included into the damage_done bracket (slayers, berserk, vulnerability etc.) are present because they were brought by your teammates, so in this situation Skinny cheeks values become colser to reality.
I explain this on that post if you want details : https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/688549/feedback-for-zos-about-dk-damage-loss-in-week-4-and-damage-brackets#latest
And what you didn't understand is this type of content represents for many players close to 100% of their game time.
I don't asking to buff ONLY this aspect of the game. Zos tried to do well between Week 3 and 4. imo they wanted to buff Lash/Whip for PVP without touching the output damages for hardcore PVE gamers.
But they just have made a mistake in their calculations.
Re: Guild Spamming Issue
I personally am just really, really tired of the wayshrine spam, and I’m really frustrated with the way ZOS has handled this in the forums.
As many others here have said, the fact that it’s obvious which guild’s spam-bots are being discussed without so much as a single name-drop is pretty telling.
This has just been an issue for far too long now, there’s clearly a lot of community interest in having it resolved, and the forum moderators not only locking the previous thread about it, but now renaming this one, just makes it seem as though there’s something weird going on, and like the same rules are not being applied to everyone in ESO.
I am genuinely curious as to why ZOS seems to be going out of their way to allow this behavior to continue when it is explicitly in violation of the TOS. As the OP said, there’s been a large emphasis on transparency lately from the dev team since the January stream, and it’s been going really well in my opinion; I feel like that emphasis should extend to the forums as well.
Having read through this entire, extensive, active thread, and seeing people from ZOS having been posting and responding in less active ones while it’s been up, I just don’t quite understand how the community is supposed to interpret that.
As many others here have said, the fact that it’s obvious which guild’s spam-bots are being discussed without so much as a single name-drop is pretty telling.
This has just been an issue for far too long now, there’s clearly a lot of community interest in having it resolved, and the forum moderators not only locking the previous thread about it, but now renaming this one, just makes it seem as though there’s something weird going on, and like the same rules are not being applied to everyone in ESO.
I am genuinely curious as to why ZOS seems to be going out of their way to allow this behavior to continue when it is explicitly in violation of the TOS. As the OP said, there’s been a large emphasis on transparency lately from the dev team since the January stream, and it’s been going really well in my opinion; I feel like that emphasis should extend to the forums as well.
Having read through this entire, extensive, active thread, and seeing people from ZOS having been posting and responding in less active ones while it’s been up, I just don’t quite understand how the community is supposed to interpret that.
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