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ZOS you really gotta learn how to balance PVP
You are pretty bad at balancing stuff for PVP...
Why overtune DK? Why do you have to stir things up so much every patch? Why not try to improve the game steadily to make it the best it can be. You make some players happy for a while with the "new toys" but you *** off so many more.
Myself and others have tried to reach out to you with feedback over the years but it always seem to fall on deaf ears.
Why overtune DK? Why do you have to stir things up so much every patch? Why not try to improve the game steadily to make it the best it can be. You make some players happy for a while with the "new toys" but you *** off so many more.
Myself and others have tried to reach out to you with feedback over the years but it always seem to fall on deaf ears.
Mrtoobyy
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Jester's Festival - A Noble Quest: Remove thieving
I don't mind crouching to get a thing, but why do I have to be dinged for stealing with a bounty? Why? And then you place guards on the route back to the jester king which is crowded with NPCs that I can't get through and you place the guards on the bridge. Well, I'm not going to kill them and end up with a higher bounty!
All it does it *** me off to no end that this quest which I am FORCED to do if I want to partake in the festivities ends up in a bounty! So, if you're not going to remove the thieving then you owe me in-game gold.
I didn't sign up for this.
To all who want to reply with snarky comments...don't. Just...don't.
All it does it *** me off to no end that this quest which I am FORCED to do if I want to partake in the festivities ends up in a bounty! So, if you're not going to remove the thieving then you owe me in-game gold.
I didn't sign up for this.
To all who want to reply with snarky comments...don't. Just...don't.
Re: PTS Update 49 - Feedback Thread for Night Market
How do you feel about the distribution of rewards during this event zone?
I like that the house is unlocked within the safe zone, and it's very nice-looking, pretty architecural details and all. But I don't see myself unlocking any of its additional parts and features, so I probably won't use it much; it's too annoying to be reminded all the time, "You don't have this and this."
The curated coffer was a base game staff, which, okay, I'll take it to fill the stickerbook, but it wouldn't make me go out and do anything more.
How have you found the difficulty of the Night Market? Please provide any additional context to the difficulty ratings below.
Easy
Well-balanced
Difficult
Too difficult
Far too difficult. I'd read the reports here and was curious how bad it would be. Zerith and I were almost instakilled by the first mob. Lasted maybe a few seconds on a generous guess, and only until the first heavy hitter in the group got to us. I made two attempts at the first Skittering quest, managed to place one stone by getting revived at the wayshrine, jumping back down from there and sprinting past a group; then a mob caught up to us again and that was it. I decided I'd seen enough and left.
Did you play Night Market solo, with a random group, or an organized group (friends/guild members)?
Solo with Zerith-var on a tank build that didn't help him much. My character was a copied-over one on a casual questing and healing build, unoptimised and wearing gimmick sets with a roleplay focus. I took him over to Fargrave as he was because I wanted the authentic normal-case experience. It was a short one.
How did you enjoy the Event Zone? As this is a new event type, we would like to get any positives and negatives.
It's something of a pity really, the safe zone is rather charming, with all the friendly Daedra loitering about. If it had been a regular mini-zone to quest in, I'd have enjoyed it.
Of the rest I didn't see much.
Did you try the different activities? If so, did you like them? Please let us know whatever you think worked and what missed the mark.
On my brief venture I encountered a puzzle with stones, but it didn't do anything, so I assume there's some quest associated with it. Before I could contemplate anything, I was dead.
How do you like the new Patrons?
The Thousand Eyes duo is fun, in the sort of gimmicky and not-very-deep way of a brief sidequest giver type. They're fun, they've got flavour, they've got Daedrats and Maormer and Watchers. Sold. I joined their faction, as did most others at the time, according to the numbers. The other two patrons were bland and the faction premises unlikeable, so it was obvious who the favourites would be. I think if the Thousand Eyes got the market monopoly right away and the other factions disappeared, it wouldn't be noticed.
Did anything not function to your expectations?
I recall some confusing quest markers initially, and I searched around in Fargrave to get to the bazaar entrance until I remembered reading here that I had to go via wayshrine, and indeed there it was. On the map and with the quest marker, it looked like I had to walk somewhere.
That aside, I didn't get to do much.
Do you have any other general feedback?
If this was not the only relevant content for a long time, and if the zone had been advertised as a high-end forced-group endgame zone, and if there was something for more casual and solo players to do either here or somewhere else, I wouldn't say anything. I see here that some high-end players enjoy the zone as it is.
But as has been said here already, in the stream it was announced that it was accessible for all. It is absolutely not. Maybe it'll be possible to catch a zerg rush at primetime sometime, but the whole thing with all its convoluted systems and drops and currencies is so inaccessible, this is not like the Writhing Fortress, where one could just join the mob and things would proceed (ideally) and get everyone their win after a clear sequence of fights. (And I had lots of fun with the Fortress when there were enough players around.) I don't even know (outside of others' forum posts) what there is to do theoretically, I do know that I don't enjoy RNG-based grinds, I don't know where I'd pick up something like the puzzle quests or whatever makes them work, and with how complex and/or hidden it is, I don't feel an inclination to dive into learning about it either. And all of that is a moot point anyway if I can't take more than a few steps without being killed by an insect. I also don't see players forming e.g. race/puzzle defence forces to allow each other to get to those minigames for long enough. If at least those kinds of activities were placed in the safe zone, there would at least be something.
All in all, if this goes live like this, I will probably do the intro quest again to fetch the house and then never return.
I like that the house is unlocked within the safe zone, and it's very nice-looking, pretty architecural details and all. But I don't see myself unlocking any of its additional parts and features, so I probably won't use it much; it's too annoying to be reminded all the time, "You don't have this and this."
The curated coffer was a base game staff, which, okay, I'll take it to fill the stickerbook, but it wouldn't make me go out and do anything more.
How have you found the difficulty of the Night Market? Please provide any additional context to the difficulty ratings below.
Easy
Well-balanced
Difficult
Too difficult
Far too difficult. I'd read the reports here and was curious how bad it would be. Zerith and I were almost instakilled by the first mob. Lasted maybe a few seconds on a generous guess, and only until the first heavy hitter in the group got to us. I made two attempts at the first Skittering quest, managed to place one stone by getting revived at the wayshrine, jumping back down from there and sprinting past a group; then a mob caught up to us again and that was it. I decided I'd seen enough and left.
Did you play Night Market solo, with a random group, or an organized group (friends/guild members)?
Solo with Zerith-var on a tank build that didn't help him much. My character was a copied-over one on a casual questing and healing build, unoptimised and wearing gimmick sets with a roleplay focus. I took him over to Fargrave as he was because I wanted the authentic normal-case experience. It was a short one.
How did you enjoy the Event Zone? As this is a new event type, we would like to get any positives and negatives.
It's something of a pity really, the safe zone is rather charming, with all the friendly Daedra loitering about. If it had been a regular mini-zone to quest in, I'd have enjoyed it.
Of the rest I didn't see much.
Did you try the different activities? If so, did you like them? Please let us know whatever you think worked and what missed the mark.
On my brief venture I encountered a puzzle with stones, but it didn't do anything, so I assume there's some quest associated with it. Before I could contemplate anything, I was dead.
How do you like the new Patrons?
The Thousand Eyes duo is fun, in the sort of gimmicky and not-very-deep way of a brief sidequest giver type. They're fun, they've got flavour, they've got Daedrats and Maormer and Watchers. Sold. I joined their faction, as did most others at the time, according to the numbers. The other two patrons were bland and the faction premises unlikeable, so it was obvious who the favourites would be. I think if the Thousand Eyes got the market monopoly right away and the other factions disappeared, it wouldn't be noticed.
Did anything not function to your expectations?
I recall some confusing quest markers initially, and I searched around in Fargrave to get to the bazaar entrance until I remembered reading here that I had to go via wayshrine, and indeed there it was. On the map and with the quest marker, it looked like I had to walk somewhere.
That aside, I didn't get to do much.
Do you have any other general feedback?
If this was not the only relevant content for a long time, and if the zone had been advertised as a high-end forced-group endgame zone, and if there was something for more casual and solo players to do either here or somewhere else, I wouldn't say anything. I see here that some high-end players enjoy the zone as it is.
But as has been said here already, in the stream it was announced that it was accessible for all. It is absolutely not. Maybe it'll be possible to catch a zerg rush at primetime sometime, but the whole thing with all its convoluted systems and drops and currencies is so inaccessible, this is not like the Writhing Fortress, where one could just join the mob and things would proceed (ideally) and get everyone their win after a clear sequence of fights. (And I had lots of fun with the Fortress when there were enough players around.) I don't even know (outside of others' forum posts) what there is to do theoretically, I do know that I don't enjoy RNG-based grinds, I don't know where I'd pick up something like the puzzle quests or whatever makes them work, and with how complex and/or hidden it is, I don't feel an inclination to dive into learning about it either. And all of that is a moot point anyway if I can't take more than a few steps without being killed by an insect. I also don't see players forming e.g. race/puzzle defence forces to allow each other to get to those minigames for long enough. If at least those kinds of activities were placed in the safe zone, there would at least be something.
All in all, if this goes live like this, I will probably do the intro quest again to fetch the house and then never return.
Sadras
5
Re: PTS Update 49 - Feedback Thread for Night Market
Hey folks,
Thanks for the feedback and as always keep it coming. I wanted to give some updates about some of the bits of feedback we have gotten. This is a brand-new piece of content we have not done before and it has taken a tremendous, coordinated effort between a lot of teams so your testing of these features is helping us a lot to make adjustments before it ultimately will go live later this year.
UI
- There are some outstanding bugs that should be addressed soon. The key system is not highlighted in the F5 menu currently and is missing icons when you defeat Argent and Gilded enemies.
- The timer for the Skirmishes is not updating properly.
- As mentioned, both of these should be addressed soon on PTS.
Rewards
- We have seen the feedback regarding loot and are taking a hard look at the rewards so that you feel your time is valued.
- There will be new thematic motifs, style items, recipes, and furnishings coming in PTS3.
- As a note, you have seen curated overland gear in these spaces quite a bit. Tackling the Gilded bosses will grant curated dungeon loot, and taking on the Opulent Ordeal will grant curated trial gear. Calamitous bosses also drop curated trial gear.
- Loot Cooldowns will be removed as well in a future PTS.
Relics and Progress
- In PTS3 we will be granting players the relics so they can remove a barrier to gather and collect for testing.
- We have heard the feedback regarding messaging about relics and are seeing what we can do to make that more front and center. Not much can be done UI wise, at least not for PTS, but we have some additional Help screens and we are looking to clarify the achievements a bit.
- We are also looking at the rate at which relic shards are collected so please continue to share your experiences.
Difficulty
- We know this would be a contentious issue for the Night Market and the focus of scrutiny.
- We did want this content to be difficult so that players are encouraged to group so that was a driving factor behind the current level of difficulty. We are taking all of this feedback to heart and evaluating the numbers in the Night Market and are open to making adjustments for the future so please, keep providing that feedback.
Thank you for the response! It's stuff like this that I'm glad to see during a PTS cycle.
In my opinion, I believe the biggest focus when it comes to making adjustments to the night market is make it a less suffocating grind. This comes in three main points.
- Easy to obtain splinters. Splinters and keys should be a guaranteed drop from the primary bosses, and from what I hear, loot is still only given to the top 12 damage dealers, so people are going to mad when you have 50+ people camping only 2 bosses. The bosses should give loot to all players who have damaged it in at least the form of the splinter. There shouldn't be any cool down on the drops either. If you kill the boss again 2 minutes later, you should still obtain your next unobtained splinter. This makes the grind feel a lot less terrible, and allows people to grind the event for just the primary loot (the full house) while letting others grind for secondary loot (skill scrolls, boxes, curated sets) and achievements if they wish.
- Easy to understand. It should be easy to understand that the goal is to collect splinters for their artifact from the respective bosses, then do each dungeon for keys, and then finally the trial. When I was testing, I didn't know that was the goal and that the key items were needed to access the instanced dungeons. Perhaps this could be a quest? Or somehow indicated on the UI?
- Easy to play with friends. Lets face it. There are going to be players who would only want to do the dungeons or trial and not have to go through the splinters and keys grind to be able to play the dungeons/trial with their friend/guildmates/randos. I would suggest having these instanced zones work similarly to the witch's festival ones. If the group leader has the requirements to access the instanced areas, you can join them without needing the requirements. Let the full house and achievement rewards only be given to the players who have done the requirements so that there is a reason to do it.
To address difficulty, I do feel like there should be some minor adjustments, but I do think people are forgetting that the night market isn't going be like this on live. I am somewhat expecting for 50-100 players allowed in the public instance at a time, which means the bosses are going to die in under a minute with a massive amount of healing and shields being thrown out. There will also be no mobs around since players will burn them in seconds. Everybody will pretty much informally group up by following a zerg or act like it's alikr dolmens by pressing x to form them. It will be like Imperial City during mayhem vs the rest of the year. IC is filled with too many monsters most of the year, but during mayhem the monsters are pretty much always cleared out.
The only thing to be taken into consideration is that, if say at the last week of the event, nobody is grinding it, the average player will have no chance to finish the content for the full house because the districts only have 5-10 players at a time. At this amount, which is how it usually is for the PTS, the content is too much of a hassle to deal with. Is there any possibility to scale the health and damage of all enemies, and possibly how many there are too, based on the amount of players currently in a district? So lets say at 80-90% capacity for the public instance, keep the difficulty as it is now, but gradually scale back the health and damage of all enemies the less players there are in the district. This would for allow the average player to be able to do the content more comfortably when there's less people around to help them.
Estin
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Re: PTS Update 49 - Feedback Thread for Night Market
EDIT: Looks like I'm wrong!
Relevant replies below:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8421456/#Comment_8421456
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8421461/#Comment_8421461
OP:
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One thing to add (Housing):
There doesn't seem to be much consequence to Faction choice – NOT TRUE!
We can't change factions account-wide while the Night Market runs. So you can accidentally get locked out of the wing you want to build in the Night's Den House by making the wrong faction choice. (Currently we can't preview the wings). Time-wise that could be a huge error depending on how long the Night Market is up / away.
More info: https://moonpile.tumblr.com/post/806298509654491136/eso-u49-pts-nights-den-house
Actually; 2 things:
And like I said in my last comment, I lasted all of 5 seconds solo and didn't go back, so I didn't know this. But now people who've done it are talking about RNG just to get into the dungeon / trial? That's terrible on top of this difficulty. Please no. 🤢
MoonPile
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Re: understanding timing with new DK skills?
No exploit going on here, just simple delayed damage being stacked correctly to land a big burst of damage within 1 GCD.
From what I can tell, the internal GCD starts upon activating an ability, not when it lands, so:
- Shattering rocks procs it's damage when it ends (or you break free) but is actually cast 1.5-2s before the combo lands due to having the 1 second delay before it attempts to stun it's target, then the additional delay of breaking free/ending before it deals it's damage instance.
- Leap is cast next, assuming a 0.5-0.8s air-time for them to travel to you, even in melee range (shattering rocks is now ~0.8s away from landing it's delayed damage when leap is cast).
- Molten whip is cast last since it is instant and deals it's damage on cast, due to not being delayed nor having a travel time/projectile, thus it hits at the same time (or with milliseconds) of leap landing and shattering rocks proccing it's delayed damage.
They all land within 1 GCD, due to being cast in the above order and due to the different timings on when each ability deals it's damage instance.
It's the same thing Sorcs used to do years ago with curse + fury + overload + frags proc, and sub-classed builds did since U46 by stacking delayed burst (shulks/blast bones + spec bow) in the correct order to all land their damage at the same time.
Soul of flame is on a 4 second delay after activating it for it's damage instance, so it's even easier to time with the combo than leap is.
This is one of the frustrating things I find about delayed damage and the lack of explaining mechanics in this game, because it's too easy for those who don't know or understand the mechanics of stacking/delaying damage and utilizing the timings of different abilities delays to simply call "cheats" or "exploits" because "2 or more abilities hit them within 1 GCD", when the 1 cast per GCD is referring to the activation of abilities, not when they land their damage instances.
Sorcs been suffering from this issue (and getting heavily nerfed for it) for years because it's entire kit is designed around stacking multiple abilities to land their damage instances within 1 GCD due to the different timings (delay, travel time, cast animation, etc.) on each ability, so far too many players call "cheating" when in reality, that's just how Sorcs kit was designed to work, not just 1 damage instance landing every GCD.
From what I can tell, the internal GCD starts upon activating an ability, not when it lands, so:
- Shattering rocks procs it's damage when it ends (or you break free) but is actually cast 1.5-2s before the combo lands due to having the 1 second delay before it attempts to stun it's target, then the additional delay of breaking free/ending before it deals it's damage instance.
- Leap is cast next, assuming a 0.5-0.8s air-time for them to travel to you, even in melee range (shattering rocks is now ~0.8s away from landing it's delayed damage when leap is cast).
- Molten whip is cast last since it is instant and deals it's damage on cast, due to not being delayed nor having a travel time/projectile, thus it hits at the same time (or with milliseconds) of leap landing and shattering rocks proccing it's delayed damage.
They all land within 1 GCD, due to being cast in the above order and due to the different timings on when each ability deals it's damage instance.
It's the same thing Sorcs used to do years ago with curse + fury + overload + frags proc, and sub-classed builds did since U46 by stacking delayed burst (shulks/blast bones + spec bow) in the correct order to all land their damage at the same time.
Soul of flame is on a 4 second delay after activating it for it's damage instance, so it's even easier to time with the combo than leap is.
This is one of the frustrating things I find about delayed damage and the lack of explaining mechanics in this game, because it's too easy for those who don't know or understand the mechanics of stacking/delaying damage and utilizing the timings of different abilities delays to simply call "cheats" or "exploits" because "2 or more abilities hit them within 1 GCD", when the 1 cast per GCD is referring to the activation of abilities, not when they land their damage instances.
Sorcs been suffering from this issue (and getting heavily nerfed for it) for years because it's entire kit is designed around stacking multiple abilities to land their damage instances within 1 GCD due to the different timings (delay, travel time, cast animation, etc.) on each ability, so far too many players call "cheating" when in reality, that's just how Sorcs kit was designed to work, not just 1 damage instance landing every GCD.
Turtle_Bot
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Re: Guild Bank Wiped. Still No Withdrawal Caps.
cyclonus11 wrote: »People just absolutely love to play "Devil's Advocate" for no productive reason whatsoever
It's also possible some posters meant to be helpful but may not have a lot of GM/officer experience.
There is a reason I'm a former GM. It can be so time consuming depending on your guild.
The thought of locking the bank to all members for 500 random items and then micromanaging requests from members does NOT appeal to me at all! Now as a general member I also probably would just not bother engaging with a guild bank that requires a lot of coordination with officers.
That's where added functionality would be nice.
Re: Guild Bank Wiped. Still No Withdrawal Caps.
frogthroat wrote: »Maybe the real issue is that guilds need to explain their rules in a way that everyone understands clearly.
When I joined my first guild, the guild bank rule was something like: “Take what you need, and give what you can.” Maybe not those exact words, but that was the idea.
So I did exactly that. I took crafting materials because I needed to level my crafting skills. I also took a lot of motifs and recipes I didn’t have yet, and I used them all.
A day or two later, the guild leader got really angry, and we ended up arguing. Apparently, "take what you need" actually meant something like "take what you need, but not more than 5 items." But how was I supposed to know that? That limitation was never clearly explained.
Then people started talking about the value of the recipes I used. But at the time, I didn’t care about prices, I wasn’t trying to sell anything. I used everything I took, exactly as the rules seemed to allow. If some of those items were valuable, then why put them in a shared guild bank where anyone can take them?
After that, I left the guild. I joined another one, and the same thing happened.
My view of a guild bank is simple: if I put something in there for others, I don’t care if someone takes one item or everything. Otherwise, I wouldn’t put it there, I’d keep it in my personal bank where no one else has access.
So I really don’t understand why the OP is so upset about someone clearing out the bank. If you make items freely available, you have to accept that someone might take them all. It’s like standing in the street shouting:
"Free eggs!" and then getting angry when you end up with none left.
You took what you wanted. You didnt only take what you needed. That was thievery.
Thank you, your honour. If that is your judgement, so be it.
How do you make a distinction like that in a video game we play because we want to play it, for fun? In the end everything in this game is about wanting something. But what constitutes as needing something? Direct master writ you need to do and don't have a motif? Is that enough for needing the motif? Or is it enough to read the motif because that is missing from your outfit you are planning? How about if you are missing that one motif and then it's completed and you get the achievement? How about if you are a completionist who just wants, nay, needs to have all the motifs?
What is your judgement, where the exact line is where need becomes thievery?
Unfortunately I think the answer is guild-specific. Even so it seems your experience might be a bit off from what I'm used to.
A lot of times guilds amass tons of low-level donations from members so they would love for a new player to come in and actually use it. I think we have like 30 of the same recipe for some stuff.
Personally I try to find balance between giving and taking, and take what I will REALLY use. For example, I don't take motifs we don't have a lot of dupes for if I'm not actually going to use it. Or if I won't ever craft the furniture, etc. If a guild only has one copy of a motif or style, and you already took 50 different things, I'd think about whether you REALLY will use it rather than just collecting everything just to collect.
Oh no, I rarely take anything from my guild banks since I don't really need anything that low level. I just don't like when people accuse others of thievery if it's not warranted. Athory paraphrased their rule, “Take what you need, and give what you can.” - these are not the exact words, as Athory mentioned. I would think any reasonable person would count "take what you need, give what you can", "take what you want, dump your extras", and "take some, give some" as the same thing, unless it's more clearly specified. As in, if you see something you like, take it. If you have something that has at least some value that you are not using, deposit it.
But Artanisul passed their judgement: Athory committed thievery.
I just want to know what is their ruling where the line is. You know, so that the rest of us don't accidentally become thieves.
Re: Thoughts on Light Attack Weaving Amid ESO's Exciting 2026 Roadmap
I enjoy light attack weaving and I honestly have never had the problem of combat feeling twitchy because of it. I’m not the best weaver, I most certainly am just spamming my light attack button while I do my rotation, except for my spammable which I can usually weave correctly. There’s already the option of using velothi or a heavy attack build. I still stand by my opinion that a 2-bar heavy attack build should be viable alongside weaving builds and I think Rakkhat was a perfect addition for that.
Not to mention, ZOS /already/ reduced the importance of weaving on doing high damage, I think it was part of U35.
One could also heal or tank. Healers should weave but don’t have to unless that’s their only source of proccing enchants. Tanks definitely don’t have to weave, but sometimes I think holding block hurts me more than weaving does.
Not to mention, ZOS /already/ reduced the importance of weaving on doing high damage, I think it was part of U35.
One could also heal or tank. Healers should weave but don’t have to unless that’s their only source of proccing enchants. Tanks definitely don’t have to weave, but sometimes I think holding block hurts me more than weaving does.
Soarora
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Re: What is your favorite NPC line in the game?
Maw of Lorhaj: "Have you not heard me? Have I not made your choice plain? You will listen, mortals … even if it means peeling the ears from your scalps and shouting Namiira's will into whatever's left of your broken skulls!"
