The 100 Tel-Var limit is not working fine. It does not serve a purpose. Almost none of the complaints have been about queuing out during combat which pretty much everyone in the thread agreed needed to go.

Markytous wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Markytous wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

The 100 Tel-Var limit is not working fine. It does not serve a purpose. Almost none of the complaints have been about queuing out during combat which pretty much everyone in the thread agreed needed to go.

The 100 Tel-Var limit is preventing people from queuing out during combat

EDIT: Unfortunately people are still queuing out with tons of Tel-Var because you can still queue to the other IC Campaign so go farm until they fix the exploit in the next hotfix.

Then why not check that you are in combat before allowing to teleport without attaching a number of TV to it? Such checks are clearly possible since you cannot mount in combat or cannot change gear in combat. Why are we not allowed to teleport then when we are NOT in combat (if the goal, as you say, to prevent teleporting in combat).

I'd rather they do two things:
1. Check for combat. If in combat, no teleport. Period.
2. Allow teleporting while not in combat with a loss of half of telvar (same as suiciding to a mob and spawning at the base with half TV).

This was proposed ad nauseam on PTS but was completely ignored.

You shouldn't be able to queue out holding loads of Tel Var unless you use a Sigil of Imperial Retreat.

EDIT: I can get behind those changes.

Yet you can suicide to the mob, spawn at the base (with loss of 1/2 TV), bank the telvar there, and be on your merry way. I've never used a Sigil of Imperial Retreat since I started playing 6 year ago, and that is exactly what happens when you die to a mob now.

Edit: why not expand this mechanic to teleporing while not in combat?

The current pvp meta makes IC unplayable. Even pro pvp players get one shot by stealth gankers sometimes. There is nothing fun or engaging about trying to farm tel var or do your dailies and then die in 2 nano seconds to a cloaked ganker.

Also no, IC is not a pvp zone. It's a pvpve zone. It's arguably the worst place to do pvp in anyway.

If it was an exploit then ZOS would have called it that in the patch notes. They only made the change because people complained about not being able to farm pve players for their own ego's and clips. The guilds will not suffer at all with the change. They all cross team anyway and go in large ballgroups.

Markytous wrote: »

The Sigil is the silver bullet to your discord/guilds' arguments. There's literally nothing wrong with it if you enjoy PVP and no excuses can sidestep this. There is nothing inconvenient about it.

Clearly, you think that thousands of AP a night is a trivial cost to someone who prefers IC over Cyro, and I’m just going to have to disagree with you on that point.

Markytous wrote: »

If you literally want to fight players and nothing else (kill Trove Scamps/Open Chests/Buy From Vendor), there are Battlegrounds available. I've told PVE players that maybe IC isn't for them and now I am telling a so-called PVP player that maybe IC isn't for them. Its a unique PvPvE environment that I enjoyed just how it was before exploits were set in motion.

I’ll tell you what. You pay for my subscription, and then you can tell me what parts of the game are or aren’t “for me”. Until then, please keep those kinds of comments and so-called thoughts to yourself.

It’s nice that you enjoy it, but you can’t just brush aside the fact that others don’t, and for good reasons.

Once again, I will point out that no one is bothered about not being able to queue out during a fight, which is what the exploit argument boils down to. People are upset that the solution wasn’t to simply block queuing out while you’re in combat. I mean, you can’t log out or shut the game down while in combat. Why is preventing queues so hard?

Markytous wrote: »

Call it a ghost town all you may, it deserves to exist as it is, just as PVP and PVE content exists in the game.

When a company sinks resources into a product, and the product does worse than it did before the resources went into it, one of two things happen. Either the changes get rolled back, or the product gets shelved. I don’t want to see IC shut down. But at this rate, the playerbase for it isn’t growing. It’s shrinking. And I would think that you would notice the fact that you’re the only one in this entire thread championing this so hard, and maybe pivot or try to see other perspectives, rather than smugly declaring that there’s no argument against this.

It was a feature at this point, I didn't hear about a banwave.

Markytous wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Markytous wrote: »

sleepy_worm wrote: »

Stop calling people cheaters. It's childish.

If you're still able to queue out by means of jumping from CP to Non-CP Imperial City, you can still cheat.

I don't get why anybody is upset. Sigils of Imperial Retreat have always been available to leave when you wanted to. The only thing that was changed was an exploit that let you leave risk-free, defeating the purpose of the Imperial City entirely. If Sigils of Imperial Retreat are "too expensive" for you, then why are you trying to force yourself into PVP content? If you can't find the AP to purchase 1-2 Sigils (they're cheat and can be found for free occasionally), what are you trying to do forcing yourself to play PVP content when you don't like PVP? This is the question that everybody dodges when trying to defend/lament an exploit and it being fixed by the developers.

Someone enjoying IC doesn't mean they enjoy Cyrodiil or vice versa. The sigils are a stunningly poor cost to use ratio for many players. And they are certainly not worth buying to get a daily done.

And the port was only an issue from people exploiting during combat. A leave command that stunned you for 15 seconds or whatever and couldn't be used in combat with fix that without making people have to go through a bunch of loading screens. It can even keep the Tel-Var cost. I wouldn't care. I just don't want to be attacked in loading screens, don't want people running up on me for death taxis, and don't want to have spend 10 minutes trying to haul 20 seconds worth of gems to base.

Sincerely, what is wrong with the Sigils of Imperial Retreat?

I literally just explained it. They are a stunningly poor cost to use ratio.

Markytous wrote: »

sleepy_worm wrote: »

Stop calling people cheaters. It's childish.

If you're still able to queue out by means of jumping from CP to Non-CP Imperial City, you can still cheat.

I don't get why anybody is upset. Sigils of Imperial Retreat have always been available to leave when you wanted to. The only thing that was changed was an exploit that let you leave risk-free, defeating the purpose of the Imperial City entirely. If Sigils of Imperial Retreat are "too expensive" for you, then why are you trying to force yourself into PVP content? If you can't find the AP to purchase 1-2 Sigils (they're cheat and can be found for free occasionally), what are you trying to do forcing yourself to play PVP content when you don't like PVP? This is the question that everybody dodges when trying to defend/lament an exploit and it being fixed by the developers.

Someone enjoying IC doesn't mean they enjoy Cyrodiil or vice versa. The sigils are a stunningly poor cost to use ratio for many players. And they are certainly not worth buying to get a daily done.

And the port was only an issue from people exploiting during combat. A leave command that stunned you for 15 seconds or whatever and couldn't be used in combat with fix that without making people have to go through a bunch of loading screens. It can even keep the Tel-Var cost. I wouldn't care. I just don't want to be attacked in loading screens, don't want people running up on me for death taxis, and don't want to have spend 10 minutes trying to haul 20 seconds worth of gems to base.

Not having to buy a bunch of retreat stones is just more convenient. They both do the same exact thing. Outside of being able to literally teleport mid fight there is no real reason to be against leaving via queue.

Why care if someone isn't spending 10k AP? Some players do not pvp enough to spend AP on the stones. And no you can't reliably find them in chests.

IC is a poorly designed place and the sewers are annoying to run around in. Also it's very easy to get stuck in combat there meaning you can't use the stones to leave in the first place.

It was just a pointless change to make, instead of improving IC overall they just made it more tedious as someone else said.

Hi all,

I just wanted to pop out of the shadows to thank the ZOS team for making treasure maps stackable again.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert



My 'Stackable Treasure Maps, When' sign has officially been retired.

Cheers!

If ZOS considered it an bug or exploit, they would have been banning for it, would have noted it in the patch notes, and wouldn't still let you do it under 100 Tel-Var.

They changed it because porting out mid combat was unfair and problematic to the health of the game mode.

There's clearly legit use cases like when you're not in combat and don't have any real Tel-Var to speak of too. There's no other reason to have a limit.