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Re: Warden class refresh: please don't make warden just an Ice Wizard!
They should just turn Warden into a jailer. 🙃
Well, stamwarden has been in dps jail for nearly 4 years so it looks like you've already gotten your wish!
Re: Warden class refresh: please don't make warden just an Ice Wizard!
CalamityCat wrote: »My main is a warden. I hate the frost stuff, I think the bleed damage makes a lot more sense in a class with animal companions and the green balance skill line. Or poison. Animals can cause bleeding/poison damage, as can tough and thorny plants. Working from those two lines I think the whole aesthetic would still be amazing. Or even water instead of the ice, as that makes sense alongside animals and plants, but has the potential for some really fun effects or skills.
Frost always felt out of place. Ice kills most plants and probably would the flowers and other plants you summon. It also makes animals migrate or hibernate. I guess they just didn't know where to put ice so here it went.
Re: Official Discussion Thread for "ESO Dev Updates—February 2026"
Hi @ZOS_Kevin
I wanted to give my feedback on the new class mastery system that was teased in the Dev Updates stream, I’d really appreciate it if you can pass this perspective on to the combat design team. It’s awesome how the team has been so open to feedback recently.
Overall, I think this is an exciting new feature coming to the game, and I like the looks of it a lot. But I think it needs a few tweaks to not feel unfair to players who want to make use of the subclassing system as well.
Firstly, I understand that for some players, class identity is very important. But to me, I love the subclassing system because ESO only has 7 classes, and there’s no single class that I resonate with perfectly. As such, ESO’s subclassing system gives me more of an opportunity to make combinations that allow me to enjoy the play style I want. For example, my main is a Templar, as she’s a devout follower of the Tribunal. However, when I was trying out the U49 PTS I swapped Dawn’s Wrath for DK’s Draconic Power to represent her natural connection to the element of fire as a Dunmer, and I really enjoyed that combination. Another poster in this forum said they have a Nord Arcanist, but they take Warden’s Winter’s Embrace because they want their Nord to have frost powers too. I would love to play around with the Class Mastery passives when they come out, but it seems that players like us are going to be punished by the new system for taking a single skill line to complement our character. In my case, both Draconic Power and Dawn’s Wrath give the passive 10% weapon/spell damage, so game mechanics wise I’m basically just sacrificing my 2 Class Mastery passives to get a bit of fun and flavour from fiery spell effects. It feels a little unfair.
How I would like the new Class Mastery system to be adapted to fix this issue is to make this system available to all players regardless of subclassing, but make it more effective the more skill lines you keep from your base class. Rather than making it so you can choose 2 passives if you are pureclassed and none if you subclass, I would prefer if perhaps there was a tiered approach where you could choose 3 passives if you have 3 skill lines from your base class, 2 if you have 2, and 1 if you have 1. I feel that something like that would ensure pure classes get the most benefit from this system, but would still allow players dipping into subclassing to get something out of it too, without becoming overpowered.
It seems like a lot of these passives are going to be tailored to specific skill lines, such as how Templar’s Hold The Line mastery passive is linked to the Restoring Light skill line. As a result, players using subclassing would already have their class mastery options limited. For example, someone like me with 2 out of 3 Templar skill lines would still get access to select from some of the Templar Class Mastery Passives, but would miss out on any skills linked to Dawn’s Wrath, since I’ve swapped that skill line out with subclassing.
Additionally, some of the skills shown in the preview like Implosion and Recursive Flame were not tied to a certain subclass. Depending on how the balancing of this system is determined to work out, they could be choices that anyone of that base class could select regardless of which skill lines they retain, or skills that are considered “capstone” skills that you can only select if you are pureclassed.
Those are my thoughts, I hope that you’ll consider this so that it doesn’t feel like people are being punished for not playing as a pure class and can enjoy the versatility and flavour of subclassing while still being able to get some use out of this new system.
I wanted to give my feedback on the new class mastery system that was teased in the Dev Updates stream, I’d really appreciate it if you can pass this perspective on to the combat design team. It’s awesome how the team has been so open to feedback recently.
Overall, I think this is an exciting new feature coming to the game, and I like the looks of it a lot. But I think it needs a few tweaks to not feel unfair to players who want to make use of the subclassing system as well.
Firstly, I understand that for some players, class identity is very important. But to me, I love the subclassing system because ESO only has 7 classes, and there’s no single class that I resonate with perfectly. As such, ESO’s subclassing system gives me more of an opportunity to make combinations that allow me to enjoy the play style I want. For example, my main is a Templar, as she’s a devout follower of the Tribunal. However, when I was trying out the U49 PTS I swapped Dawn’s Wrath for DK’s Draconic Power to represent her natural connection to the element of fire as a Dunmer, and I really enjoyed that combination. Another poster in this forum said they have a Nord Arcanist, but they take Warden’s Winter’s Embrace because they want their Nord to have frost powers too. I would love to play around with the Class Mastery passives when they come out, but it seems that players like us are going to be punished by the new system for taking a single skill line to complement our character. In my case, both Draconic Power and Dawn’s Wrath give the passive 10% weapon/spell damage, so game mechanics wise I’m basically just sacrificing my 2 Class Mastery passives to get a bit of fun and flavour from fiery spell effects. It feels a little unfair.
How I would like the new Class Mastery system to be adapted to fix this issue is to make this system available to all players regardless of subclassing, but make it more effective the more skill lines you keep from your base class. Rather than making it so you can choose 2 passives if you are pureclassed and none if you subclass, I would prefer if perhaps there was a tiered approach where you could choose 3 passives if you have 3 skill lines from your base class, 2 if you have 2, and 1 if you have 1. I feel that something like that would ensure pure classes get the most benefit from this system, but would still allow players dipping into subclassing to get something out of it too, without becoming overpowered.
It seems like a lot of these passives are going to be tailored to specific skill lines, such as how Templar’s Hold The Line mastery passive is linked to the Restoring Light skill line. As a result, players using subclassing would already have their class mastery options limited. For example, someone like me with 2 out of 3 Templar skill lines would still get access to select from some of the Templar Class Mastery Passives, but would miss out on any skills linked to Dawn’s Wrath, since I’ve swapped that skill line out with subclassing.
Additionally, some of the skills shown in the preview like Implosion and Recursive Flame were not tied to a certain subclass. Depending on how the balancing of this system is determined to work out, they could be choices that anyone of that base class could select regardless of which skill lines they retain, or skills that are considered “capstone” skills that you can only select if you are pureclassed.
Those are my thoughts, I hope that you’ll consider this so that it doesn’t feel like people are being punished for not playing as a pure class and can enjoy the versatility and flavour of subclassing while still being able to get some use out of this new system.
Re: Warden class refresh: please don't make warden just an Ice Wizard!
If they take away the animal/nature theme and make warden purely a frost wizard I'd delete my warden because I'd have no reason to keep her around.
I don't care that much about the intricate details of builds and skill balance, I'll adjust to whatever they do in that respect. For me this is a role-play character, she's a warden because it's the nearest I could get to a Wyress. A frost wizard is an entirely different kind of character so I'd have no use for my warden any more. Maybe I'd take one of the skill lines on my sorcerer, since it would be a better fit for him, but that's about it.
I don't care that much about the intricate details of builds and skill balance, I'll adjust to whatever they do in that respect. For me this is a role-play character, she's a warden because it's the nearest I could get to a Wyress. A frost wizard is an entirely different kind of character so I'd have no use for my warden any more. Maybe I'd take one of the skill lines on my sorcerer, since it would be a better fit for him, but that's about it.
Danikat
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Re: Next New Class?
I want the ability to change my Class entirely first. Whether that's by a Class Change Token, or by removing the restrictions on Subclassing and Class Sets + Scribing Class Masteries, switching our base Class when we select three skill lines of the same other Class.
We are getting Class Mastery passives in the near future, so we're given incentive to use 3 skill lines of the same Class. Hopefully no one will object to the ability to change our base Class now that pureclassing will be meta.
I don't want to delete/replace my main character if a Class I actually like comes along. I want to change their base Class to that new Class. It's discouraging enough that my build isn't as optimized as it could be because I'm locked out of certain Class Sets, but now I might be locked out of Class Mastery passives as well, especially if the potential new Classes we get are a better fit for the build I'm going for.
We are getting Class Mastery passives in the near future, so we're given incentive to use 3 skill lines of the same Class. Hopefully no one will object to the ability to change our base Class now that pureclassing will be meta.
I don't want to delete/replace my main character if a Class I actually like comes along. I want to change their base Class to that new Class. It's discouraging enough that my build isn't as optimized as it could be because I'm locked out of certain Class Sets, but now I might be locked out of Class Mastery passives as well, especially if the potential new Classes we get are a better fit for the build I'm going for.
Re: AD vs EP vs DC (Overland Toggle)
No, thank you. Dueling within city limits is annoying. Let's keep special effects galore to dungeons and boss fights during events.
Re: Regarding Subclassing
IMO you have ruined PVP by implementing sublcassing. It's great and alot of fun in PVE
It's not like there was much left to ruin ... 🧐
Re: Regarding Subclassing
"20 top competitive options" someone is failing to admit reality about eso seriously no front but that's just not true, a look into any pvp streamed Gameplay for only 10 minutes showcases everyone running the same 3 combinations since these are the only competitive ones. Its rly sad to see the same exact person going into every possible post to just try to make ppl believe on what he wants the game to be like. Op is totally right subclassing destroyed all the competitive environments with ranked systems in this game and subclassing should be turned off definitely in any pvp environment or any of these ranked environments at all.
Bubosh
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Re: Older low res outfits and zones
Nemesis7884 wrote: »I think that there is plenty of reason to update old zones and styles to modern standards, especially if we are going to be spending more time in older zones. Other mmos and games have done this to great success, because over time a team gets better at expressing things artistically and grows and that growth can make some of their earlier works look dated. I would like them to invest at least somewhat in renewing older things like they are with the class skills so the game feels more cohesive.
That being said, using ai to do it? Absolutely not. AI is garbage that does not understand nuance or theme. It often still confuses basic things and to many people, especially artists, it sticks out like a sore thumb for what it is. The only time it remotely works is if artists, coders, writers are there to "correct" it and even then that is just making those people do extra steps to do something that they could have done without ai mucking it up. I don't trust ai to be remotely able to satisfyingly update anything and I want it to stay very far away from anything in eso.
realistically the choice would probably be ai or no update...i doubt there are enough resources / revenues to consider something like that otherwise...
Strongly disagree with that. One of the biggest draws of this game is it's rich and robust cosmetic systems. The monetization model is changing as of this year where cosmetics will become one of the primary moneymakers alongside subscriptions. Other games I play have updated skins and cosmetics knowing having things look modern increases desirability and sales. MMO competitors such as world of warcraft have also updated old character models, sets, and zones. Eventually it's something that most live service games realize is an investment in the future. If the developers are serious about their comment of wanting eso to be a 30+ year game, it will eventually have to be done in some capacity. It's shortsighted to think otherwise.
As for AI, again, I do not trust it can do the job properly. Many of them are trained on generic often stolen data and that means that in updating things, it will often confuse things. TES high elves have a very different aesthetic style to their clothing than world of warcraft's or lord of the rings or any other fantasy setting out there with high elves, but if the data is trained on all of those it will picture a high elf as something it's not. The same can be said for orcs or any other race. This is a major problem for the IP/lore/identity of the game that is why I want ESO to avoid ai like the plague. We already still have people in the fandom who don't want to believe eso is canon and I don't want that discourse to get worse or have some credence by things that can be avoided such as the ai usage.
The other problem with ai and eso is it could lead to fanworks being stolen and then legal issues for ZOS. We already had this happen before when a fan's artwork was mixed up with official art. Given how ai trains itself, it's likely that it also has an issue where it has more fanworks than official works due to most games in the TES series being extremely old/dated and outside of eso we have Skyrim which is over a decade old and Oblivion Remastered and if we want to be generous for "modern" TES art/assets we can include the art from TES Legends. Again, landmine of potential legal issues.
Finally, as I stated in my first post, ai often causes more work for concept artists and creators in gaming spaces, not less. Here is an article of concept artists in their own words talking about how ai makes their job harder and often causes more problems than it solves.
I truly believe half the time people asking for ai don't realize what they're asking for, because if they did, they would realize it's a terrible idea.
Emeratis
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Re: Hope for new Fargrave structural furnishings
scrappy1342 wrote: »Oh yes, the problem with the Ancient Sandstone... Let's hope they will require something else!
just less is fine. nothing wrong with sandstone, although it was a weird choice to use something old when most of them use something from the current content it was introduced in... but i've never seen anything else require more than 2 of a style mat off the top of my head. needing 12-20+ is just absurd and should have been fixed years ago. i assume they never will though
Dwemer Frame(Older Dwarven plans) which is in some ways even worse than Sandstone because you need 10 x Dwemer Scrap to make one Frame!!
Deadlands plans(I think it's Deadlands use large numbers of Daedra Heart too but at least that's easy to get!
