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Downtime To Resolve PC EU LFG and Home Tours Issues - August 26 @ 10:00AM EDT/ 14:00 UTC
Hi all. Today, beginning at 10:00AM EDT/ 14:00 UTC, we will bring down PC EU megaservers to resolve ongoing issues with LFG and Home Tours.
We anticipate the downtime to be complete by 12:00 PM EDT/ 16:00 UTC. We will keep you updated if times need to be extended. Thank you.
We anticipate the downtime to be complete by 12:00 PM EDT/ 16:00 UTC. We will keep you updated if times need to be extended. Thank you.
Re: PC EU server going down for maintenance at trader flip
@ZOS_Kevin Imagine some GM's tend to plan their day to be present at the flipping moment. This sort of dedication does not really appear to be appreciated this way. :-(
Tendrielle
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Re: Vengeance Test 3 Request
Here are the builds / playstyles on live right now:edward_frigidhands wrote: »Right, I want to login and play my characters with my build. Not ESO limited with the builds pre-approved by someone else who has no idea regarding the play styles I enjoy
Assassination turtle-burst
Rushing Agony pull-bomber
Support heal-tank
Anything else you try on live is a worse version of one of these, or relies on one of these to do anything. You can dress these playstyles up different ways but they will all play similarly and ultimately do the same thing in practice.
Re: Public formal confirmation that griefing and bullying isn't against Code of Conduct
randconfig wrote: »ZOS_Hadeostry wrote: »I wanted to let @alakeyfox know that we have seen the post and are currently investigating the ticket you brought up. Everyone, please do not bring up side subjects or anything else off topic. We want to hear constructive feedback about the topic at hand.
"We want to hear constructive feedback about the topic at hand."
Really? What more is there to “hear”?
- Players kick others simply because they can, nothing happens.
- Players gatekeep others simply because they can, nothing happens.
- Players demand “link all your items or you won’t join vKA”, nothing happens.
- Players require parses in Discord, removing others from the supposed “safe” rules, and force them to perform however they want, nothing happens.
So what more do you want to “hear,” and for what purpose? It’s obvious ZOS has no intention of addressing gatekeeping or punishing those who constantly do it. Let’s be honest here: you won’t take action, because you (ZoS) don’t care. So why pretend to want feedback on this topic at all?
EDIT:
JUST REMOVE THE DAMN DPS SHARING FROM THE GAME and ESOLogs, and all this nonsense goes away.katanagirl1 wrote: »I agree some players just are overwhelmed but it is not always the case. In a group setting everyone is expected to pull their weight. There are those who are willing to learn and there are those who flat out refuse...."
The truth is simple: ZOS doesn’t just allow this behavior, it enables it. By repeatedly saying "You can always make your own group" and providing tools to dissect DPSharing, logs, and performance, you’re not discouraging gatekeeping, you’re legitimizing it. The message players receive is clear: if someone doesn’t meet arbitrary standards, the official answer is essentially "Kick them out, it’s not our problem."
No, people need to know the metrics of those in the group. If you're not able to meet the minimum DPS for a new DLC vet dungeon, then the final boss will be a brick wall and you won't finish the dungeon. We don't have all the details, so for all we know the tank knew they couldn't clear it and wanted to get a different DPS that was able to. It would be more frustrating to be forced to leave after wasting time on multiple attempts because someone in the group queued for vet dungeon content when they're not ready for it and cannot pull their own weight.
Furthermore, the only reason I could think of why someone would want to hide those metrics would be because they don't understand the basics of combat and cannot be bothered to put the time into learning light attack weaving, the vet dungeon mechanics, and/or how to properly gear to achieve a minimum DPS of 20k to 30k.
Why should 3 group members have to suffer because 1 group member doesn't put in the time to get good, the obvious answer is they shouldn't have to. Of course, I don't know if that's what happened in OP's case, but just my opinion on the matter.
DPS sharing does far more harm than good. Instead of motivating people to improve, it just becomes another tool for gatekeeping, shaming, and kicking before anyone even has a fair chance to learn. And the worst part is that this doesn’t stop in-game, raid leaders and many guilds that focus on HM content require players to join Discord, post their parses, and then they get mocked, trolled, or outright bullied simply for having lower DPS. ZoS has a Code of Conduct meant to create a safe and respectful environment for players of any age, but the reality is that people are pushed outside of that “safe” environment into Discord, where the abuse is even worse. All because of DPS sharing and logs.
The truth is, most groups don’t wipe because someone is doing 20k instead of 130k, they wipe because mechanics aren’t followed, or people don’t have experience with the fight. A player who’s willing to learn mechanics and stay alive is infinitely more valuable than a "parse lord" who tunnels damage and dies instantly.
If the goal really was to help people get better, the community would focus on sharing tips and guidance, not demanding logs or spamming “link parse or kick.” DPS sharing just breeds toxicity, exclusion, and discourages players.
Another serious problem is how players are pushed out of the safe environment of the game and into Discord servers just to participate in raids or HM content. Once you’re there, you’re no longer protected by ZoS’s Code of Conduct, instead you’re exposed to every single post, comment, video, or "joke" people decide to share. That’s where the real bullying, mocking, and harassment happens, all justified under the excuse of "DPS performance".
So yeah, in my opinion, removing DPS sharing would cut down on gatekeeping and create a healthier environment overall because
you can see in logs whether a player performs well or poorly in mechanics. You don’t need DPS sharing for anything, except to bully others and force players away from the builds they actually enjoy.
I would be toxic if I ended up in groups where people claim they're able to do x dps, but there's no way to verify it and we keep wiping after multiple attempts, wasting my time. I can only imagine that the majority of people against having information about the group's performance are those that can't manage the basics, that can't pull their own weight, that think they're entitled to the end game content rewards just for participating. I don't want to play a game where you just participate and get the rewards, just play a mobile game if you're someone with that mentality. And I especially don't want to play a game where people can leech off the hard work of others, and there's no way to identify/replace the leech. Even people with irl disabilities can achieve high DPS rotations with the accessibility features in the game, so there's really no excuse to be a leech.
Re: Stone Atronachs
Works PERFECTLY!! Thank you so much for this advice, it's worth its weight in gold!
Found Miregaunts in Murkmire, and just do light attacks so it keeps spawning the totems.
Found Miregaunts in Murkmire, and just do light attacks so it keeps spawning the totems.
Quackery
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Re: Today in 'NPC names that would not clear the filter when naming playable characters'
SilverBride wrote: »I don't get it.
If you pronounce the name a certain way, it sounds like a British slang term for self-pleasure.
Re: Today in 'NPC names that would not clear the filter when naming playable characters'
SilverBride wrote: »I don't get it.
If anyone explained it they'd probably get banned from the forums lol
Re: Storm Calling Mages' Fury Execute Range Needs Buffed
MincMincMinc wrote: »MashmalloMan wrote: »MincMincMinc wrote: »The animation is an instant cast, it is no different than any other instant cast. It plays and cancels the same. Just remember that secretly it is a projectile skill.
Not exactly, instant just means what's suppose to happen, happens when you press the key instead of requiring a channel or cast time first. It does not mean it instantly lands. Wrecking Blow has a 0.8s cast time, then instantly hits. Fury has a 0.0s cast time, but has a massive delay before it hits, even in melee range.
There's 2 terms important here I'll use:
- Projectile Speed (PS) = speed at which the projectile travels through the air to your target, eg, 28 meters per second.
- Minimum projectile travel time (MPTT) = a locked in time that the projectile must complete before landing, even if the caster is right on top of the target. This is implemented case by case, most likely as a balancing/counterplay design choice.
MPTT is the reason why some players may prefer a melee over a ranged playstyle without realizing it. Why does Impale feel less reliable than Killer's Blade for a melee player? Why does your instant Frag miss more often than not when following up Streak vs something like Executioner? Why is Mage's Fury the absolute worst feeling execute in the game outside of spamming it from a back of zerg back when it had a 5s duration? MPTT is why.
From my memory of like 2016 patch notes, a general feeling, and some light testing, the average MPTT is between 0.2s to 0.3s. This whole MPTT thing is why not all instant ranged abilites feel equally as satisifying to cast, most likely because not all ranged skills have the same travel time or animations, thus the hit detection can feel weird, and even effect your weaving. Something like Crushing Shock has historically been praised, while Swallow Soul has been complained about as a good example.
Were those CMX images from this patch? It may help to include your costs and abilities used to show when the abilites "cast".
Yes, combat metrix.
Take this as a loose test as I did not take a massive sample size, I did not intend to conclude the exact speeds, I just wanted to illustrate the general timing of different projectiles vs melee attacks. I didn't use macro's for automating exact 1s timing, and I rounded the timing to the nearest whole number, but I wouldn't be surprised if ZOS used odd numbers like "0.452s" instead of "0.4s".
My guess is the actual times from combat metrix vary between 10-50ms. You can see this in the Killer's Blade test, shows 0.988s which shouldn't be possible with the 1s GCD, 12ms is so neglible, we can summize it was relatively instant. Same goes for Fury which shows 0.78s and 0.8s, probably.. maybe, coded as 0.8s.
MincMincMinc wrote: »But yes i suppose instant cast is a very misleading label. As the cast is "instant", but for projectiles they are far from being actually instant as you described well.
I think a lot of players have been moving or leaning towards melee for this fact that the ranged playstyle is dying out. Speed has power crept so far that the advantage of kiting is practically lost. Animations are rampant in the game and overly expressive making it harder to watch and time the PS and MPTT against opponents you sometimes can't even see their character model due to procs and animations wiggling their character. Probably also doesn't help that subclassing pushing players towards animal's deep fissure and assassin surprise attack, luckily jabs hardly works so we at least aren't seeing that everywhere like people were worried about with pelican's setup spreading early on in PvP.
Oh yeah and I only used a few examples. Sorc has some pretty bad delays, but I bet that was all implemented in the beginning as a balancing decision for pure classing. Delayed burst was their thing. I'm sure Frag's is one of the worst in the game, I have a feeling Grim Focus is slightly faster but still slower than spammables like Impale. There's skills like Snipe (which can work to that playstyles favour), Skulls, and Cliff Racer as more obviously annoying to use skills.
Actually Cliff Racer is an interesting one, I bet you it follows the same rule as Mage's Fury with no speed, only a minimum, because it spawns near your target instead of from the caster and funny enough, everyone hates the feeling of that skill too. I wonder why? :P
I'm also curious how Crushing Shock works, to me, it feels like it's the same speed at any distance, probably around 0.2 - 0.3s, which is probably why it feels good to weave.
Also, this whole thing is only hightened when you consider how forgiving dodge rolling is for the dodger instead of the attacker. This is just a feeling, not tested, but my theory is if your target dodges at any point during the time your projectile is in the air, the entire attack will be dodged.
Imagine you see your target dodge 28m away, you cast Frags mid dodge roll animation, it takes 1.1s to get to the target and by the time it does, they already completed their dodge 0.5s in the past, they're clearly standing upright. Despite this, you see/hear Frags hit yet it's dodged when they're not dodging. This doesn't apply to channels like Radiant Oppression as skills like this seem to redo the hit detection every tick or the entire skill would be useless. I bet this same thing happens with Flurry.
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
BagOfBadgers wrote: »Before I say anything, I don't want overland to be made harder for for everyone as I know the majority of players are happy as it (maybe made even easier) and I would rather it stays at the difficulty level it is now, rather than force everyone to more diffcult overland, the same as it's now Saying that I would make massive use of a OPTIONAL Vet overland separate instance!
As someone who enjoys overland content but can Flail, Beam/2 HA attacks and kill most things/end of story boss that I encounter, why do I need to nerf myself to have enjoyment? Because it seems that by some of the posts of late, me being experienced and having high DPS/Survivability is not agreeable with others playstyles as, TBH, overland is trivial difficulty to me. But if I see others coming to WB/Delve Boss/Public Dungeon Boss I'll tag it and block so others can tag it also, so I'm not “that” player.
I have paid the same amount of funds and the right “to play as I want” ZOStm, and enjoy content as much as anyone else, don't I? I'm not shouting “Get Gud” is the only answer to overland difficulty. It seems reasonable that others have have access to a more challenging overland experience (Crags level off difficult would be a good starting point, and no I don't mean another crags zone, devs!) and by what has been posted some would rather us Vet players, naffed off any ways to the 4 new Dungeons/1 new Trial vet hm's a year that we get.
So in summery:
I would like a Vet Difficulty overland.
I want it optional.
I don't want to force others into a level of difficulty that they don't want.
I just want to enjoy the game as anyone else without having to nerf toons to do it.
If ZOS can do all that I would be happy, if it all makes sense. I want to have fun, as much as anyone else in game, is the reasonable request I make.
PS I'm free to play whatever instance I chose as my disabilties vary day - day/hour-hour.
I say no to that. There is no reason why a player should have twice the options as an average player. If one chooses to play in hard mode, then they should have to stay in that mode whether farming, questing, or dungeon running account wide. There should be a limited number of times one can change modes in case the hard mode is more difficult than they believed, they should be able to move back to normal mode. Players should not be able to switch back and forth or have some characters in one mode and other characters in another mode.
shadoza
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Re: Today in 'NPC names that would not clear the filter when naming playable characters'
The owner, an elderly man hard of hearing, thought he had purchased an Argonian whose name translated to On-A-Hist.
amig186
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