SpiritofESO wrote: »

I will not miss Daily Rewards. I have three rewards that I log in every day to get: my Hirelings rewards, the Bequeather in Outlaws Refuge and the Dragonguard daily chest.

I'm liking the new Golden Pursuits... the current one offers Seals of Endeavor as well as the usual former Daily Rewards items. And Tamriel Tomes seems promising.

I really like the mechanic of Seals of Endeavor and usually save up my seals so I can buy the really juicy rewards, the big 18,000 seals rewards!

Exactly!! And I have been putting in a LOT of work today correcting misinformation lol.

A lot of people were saying and claiming that they were getting 0 Endeavors or LESS now. But it's actually MORE from this months Golden Pursuit than if they did a whole month of daily and weekly endeavors. I made another short and info-graphic to show them lol.




https://www.youtube.com/shorts/92itE3AFR48

NikoSquared wrote: »

Faltasë wrote: »

Unique motifs for more stuff. We also need more moderately cool looking motifs instead of the motifs that often have that "endgame dungeon" look that isn't always the best.

But in general, moar motifs are always welcome.

Yeah, I was thinking they could do this in making a motif for each Overland difficulty, where the items look more impressive the higher the difficulty’s motif items

Why should the harder difficulties have "more impressive" motifs than the ones for lower difficulties? This would devalue the intermediate difficulty motifs, because people will always want the motif from the hardest difficulty, rather than each motif from each difficulty.

Maybe instead of having a unique motif for each difficulty — which, again, people farming for these motifs will prefer the hardest difficulty for the most "value" — there can be just one motif that gets progressively more likely to drop the harder the difficulty? This means you have a chance to get this motif in any difficulty so you won't need to repeat the grind in each difficulty for each version of the motif.

virtus753 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

There's got to be alternatives for new characters.

Do those easily accessible activities need to 1) be exclusionary of part of the player base and also 2) have a specific reward attached to them?

Here's what a couple of alternatives could have looked like:

-Put it behind an extant activity like the Harvesting 25 nodes, which is easily done on any character. Much more easily done for many than the dungeon one or the scribing one, for example.

-I also would have liked to see them include an activity to respec skills or attributes via the UI, which will be available (for free) on Monday. That would have drawn attention to the change and encouraged people to become familiar with the new UI respec. And everyone will be able to do that easily.

They need enough tasks that everyone get all of them and more new players are excluded from being able to do stuff like trials than this would effect. The only people who can't do it are the ones who have all 18 characters maxed out in every skill line. This means they can all wield every weapon as well. There's probably very few people excluded and those people probably don't need an exp scroll anyway. They have alternate tasks so everyone can finish the pursuit.

I outlined above some alternatives that would have been inclusive of everyone full stop and would have helped assuage concerns about furthering a sense of exclusion while not responding to prior feedback. I didn't suggest doing a trial. I suggested things that are very easy for any character, even for day one players.

Arguments that justify the exclusion of people in the minority because they're a minority are very deeply fraught. They also don't take into consideration how others feel watching people defend a choice that makes some feel excluded when it would have been just as easy to be inclusive instead. That's my issue here. I don't see a rational justification for putting a reward being an activity that may exclude over ones that definitely don't when the options are six of one.

Is an xp scroll the end of the world? Of course not. Nothing in this video game is world ending, despite the many storylines. The xp scroll is not the takeaway. It's the sense of community and how inclusive the devs and players are.

I can certainly see how people can look at things from a purely practical perspective and not be concerned. It's fine not to agree. But I look at a lot of these posts and see language that invalidates those who do have concerns and even at times blames players for putting themselves in the potential position of being excluded. And that's concerning too.

The future of the game rests on its community, as the devs acknowledged when they said people only play for the game itself for five months but play for the community for five years. This decision doesn't seem in keeping with that acknowledgment. Keeping players by taking care to make them feel included is important, just like attracting new ones, and this (like the anniversary style pages) seemed like it should have been a very easy win for everyone. I wish they had taken it.

Friend...it's a single Pursuit that you don't even need to do to complete the whole thing. Also doesn't everyone always say not all content is for everyone to complete? What about the people who can't do Vet HM Trials to get Titles because of health issues? What about people who can't do PvP because they don't have the ability to compete with people who have better reaction times and such? There are plenty of things in this game that not everyone can do, this is the most inconsequential thing, but by this logic everyone needs to be able to do everything so it's inclusive and no one has to feel excluded.

So when are Trial or Arena Mounts and Weapons and the like going to be made available for everyone else? There are plenty of things that will also exclude people from doing X or Y. People at max CP? They can't earn CP any more, people who have a full roster of 20 characters? They can't make more unless they get a second account. These are limits you hit in a game if you opt to do it (except getting CP that will come regardless if you're going to be doing anything that earns exp). But to avoid X or Y just because a certain group of players can't do it in and of itself excludes people who can. It'd be like saying we shouldn't have PvP because there are people who can't do it.

And at the end of the day, it's a single task that doesn't prevent anyone from completeing the GP if they can't do it. And all anyone who can't do it is losing out on is an exp scroll. Plus as someone mentioned there's Subclassing; how many people have max leveled EVERY Class Skill Line on EVERY character they own on top of EVERY other Skill Line too? The number is going to be astronomically low. And it IS all right for there to be things that a minority of people can't complete for whatever reason. Because not everything will be something 100% of the people can do 100% of the time. Someone is ALWAYS going to be exluded somehow.

Isn't it always lovely when someone randomly starts attacking strangers with insults that apply to themselves more than any of the attacked?

having to actually login and earn stuff is better and if you dont wanna do it oh well i guess gives me and my friends more stuff to do on guild event night and not have to worry about getting items we didnt need

Leveling skill lines already was, and as for reward... you leveled all skills on all characters? Including legerdemain, scrying and all subclassing? And you still need xp scrolls and can't afford few aetherial ambrosia?

virtus753 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

There's got to be alternatives for new characters.

Do those easily accessible activities need to 1) be exclusionary of part of the player base and also 2) have a specific reward attached to them?

Here's what a couple of alternatives could have looked like:

-Put it behind an extant activity like the Harvesting 25 nodes, which is easily done on any character. Much more easily done for many than the dungeon one or the scribing one, for example.

-I also would have liked to see them include an activity to respec skills or attributes via the UI, which will be available (for free) on Monday. That would have drawn attention to the change and encouraged people to become familiar with the new UI respec. And everyone will be able to do that easily.

1) The number of players who are going to have fully leveled EVERY SKILL LINE on ALL their characters isn't going to be a big enough one that it's 'excluding' whole swathes of players. It's like if people who have max CP get upset over a Pursuit that rewards earning CP. The majority of players aren't going to be affected, and for those that are, there are several other Pursuits to do so you aren't locked out. (Yes I know this happened before)

2)...it's an exp scroll. It's literally something we've been getting every month for years. It's not a unique Collectible or Title or anything like that. It's a single exp scroll. Are people really going to feel cheated out of a single exp scroll if they just so happen to have, for whatever reason, decided to spend an insane amount of time maxing every Skill Line for all their characters?

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Not the most important thing I know, but I really don't like the precedent you are trying to set ZOS.



This needs correcting, or at the least a guarantee you won't do this again.

They HAVE done this one before, a couple of times now actually I believe. What 'precedent' are you against? What needs correcting or to not be done again? Every single GP there are people who get upset over one specific task; there are twenty-seven and you only need to do twenty. If you don't want to level a Skill Line, there are others to choose from.

Also leveling a Skill Line that you haven't touched is actually pretty fast and easy, as I doubt there are many people who've leveled EVERY Skill Line on ALL their characters to max, or even touched most Skill Lines on their characters.