Athory wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Athory wrote: »

Thank you for the reply. I genuinely believe this topic matters for all ESO players.
But I need to be completely direct about the issues:

1) “We wanted to try something different.”
Excluding casual/solo players from participating should never be an “experiment.”
That is not innovation, that is exclusion.

Except no one is forcing you to play this way, you are choosing to play solo. That is you being exclusionary to everyone else. That is a you problem, it is an mmo not a single player game, and even so, the vast majority of the content is already soloable.

I really believe 100 other players have told me that.
Don’t you read them? Oh… maybe they all get [snip][snip]. But I believe my answer to that is still out there… or [snip][snip] too. Well...

EDIT:
Why do we keep doing this?

I already told you, "I said I want to play alone because I really don’t want to join your group just to make your hardcore content easier". I’ve said this like 100 times already.

Then people come in and say: “You chose to play alone.” Why?! I know that… I literally just said that…
Then someone else comes and says: “You chose to play alone.” …and again… and again… and again…

What do you all actually expect?!

I’m not going to change my mind. You don’t need me, I don’t need you, we all go on happy…
But of course, someone’s going to show up and say exactly what I already said… again.

Did not expect all of this to blow up from my one comment but all I have to say to the response is:

I am not the others, so I don't care what others have said, I saw your post and wanted to address it. Simple as that, this is what a forum is for, and Zos sees and interacts with these posts. It has the chance to steer the future of the game, which is massive.

On that note I do not want Zos to have the false notion that we do not want group content to be challenging just because the rest of the game isn't. The only reason I made solo builds and chose to play things solo was because the game was so easy otherwise, grouping with people wasn't worth the hassle. It wasn't fun. And that's why I tend to take long breaks from the game, it gets stale. I do house, I do quest, but its not what I log in for primarily. Working to a goal of getting better at pvp, looking forward to conquering challenges with my friends and perhaps making more in the process. Thats unique to MMOs and why despite so much wrong with the game, I eventually come back. And hopefully stay.

To that end Night Market has achieved this for my group of friends, and my friends are almost all pvpers in some capacity primarily. To get us to pve not just for the pvp gear is massive. So when you say to me you don't need me, I don't need you, you don't wanna help me make the hardcore content easier etc, then so be it, your spot is filled in the group finder very quickly. But because I am also a customer I am gonna say my piece and will be heard. If you dislike this don't make threads.

The developers themselves stated their mindset. Content for everyone, including solo players, but this is an MMO and that means the focus needs to be on group content, challenging and otherwise. It is ridiculous to complain about free content aimed at other players besides yourself for once, in a sea of easy solo content even after the developers explain their reasoning for it existing and stating they're taking criticisms despite that.

It takes 10 of any raw material to refine into 1 of that refined material.

So 10 of any jewelry tier dust = 1 jewelry refined material

The refining UI shows you how many times it can refine in 1 click - so if set to 1000, that is actually 1000 automatic clicks x 10 raw = 10,000 raw dust used -> to create 1000 platinum ounces

TLDR - you lost nothing. It’s just not shown on the UI you are actually converting 1000x the 10 dust/cloth/etc needed for 1 refined material.

They stack up to 12. Unfinished ones will remain until they are finished or rerolled.

jad11mumbler wrote: »

Not sure why theres so much "controversy" about this event zone.

Its as advertised, a difficult group zone.

Solo players are upset that the content not aimed for them....Isn't aimed at them?


There's some legitimate issues with the night market but this aint one of them.

I hope ZoS ignores those players and keeps the night market as it was intended.

As a group zone with some challenge.

Hopefully those players also eventually realise how fun it can be to group up with other players, join guilds and all the wonders of a MMO.
Either way, night market should remain as the group zone it was intended to be for this event.


It's wild that so much of this games community, for a MMO, has turned into "Playing as a group??? Thats only for the elitist 1%!!!"

It was advertised as possible to solo. It is not.

MMO is not a co-op style. It is a multi-player shared map.

the players were divided years ago when VET dungeons with special gear rewards were introduced. The gap between overland gear and dungeon gear is only widening. So naturally the divide between players is also increasing.

If dungeon gear was restricted to dungeons, this conversation would not be happening.

If the Night Market allowed a soul, even grouped, to complete the boss fights without dungeon gear and being close to capped, this conversation would not be happening.

Criticizing players for their gear or skill level.
Relying solely on gear scores to judge a player's ability, ignoring skill.
Voicing dissatisfaction when games are made more accessible to casuals.
---> yes, there is elitism involved.

ZOS
as I have stated before __ for someone who has supported this game for years with money and hie time that you would do a console platform Run Gun and Die and hopefully be able to follow a large group to get something done --- took me 2 days to do the faction quest BY that time I said the Hell with it NOT worth it -- I know others are findings ways to get it done or parts of it BUT this is Elder Scrolls --- there is NO way to do a story line do the quest in a reasonable amount of time --- game is to be relaxing relief from real life NOT a freaking horror show

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Thank You -- wasted time and money ----

Most of my complaints at the moment tie into favor and the Night's Den. For the favor issues I feel as if we accumulate favor too slowly or not often enough.
As for the Night's Den: I can only express disappointment. When unlocking the relics, I honestly expected full wings, like in Hall of the Lunar Champion, but was rather disappointed to see inn sized rooms.

I just want to say - Thank you. Thank you for the Night Market. I love it. Thank you for leaning into the massively multi-player part of the game after years of systems geared to one or two players. (Which I also enjoy BTW). But this. I didn't realize how much I missed this type of play until now.

I love that it's temporary - otherwise it would get overwhelming.

I love that it's optional. Seriously, if you don't like it, go do the Archive. Or the upcoming solo dungeons, or arenas, or questing, or scrying, or housing, or tomes, or any of the zillion other solo activities available in this MMO. There are PLENTY.

I love that it includes a wide range of play styles even in the market. Puzzles, parkour, bosses, mobs, questing.

I LOVE the house and it was very nice that these complainers don't even have to go into the zones to earn a free Notable. With furnishings. Seriously, housing has been knocking it out of the park for the last couple of years.

I love the variety between the skirmishes and zones. The dungeon experience team, which has been really killing it for a couple years now, really nailed it.

Is it complicated? Kinda. Do you need other players? thankfully YES! Is it hard to find other players? Not really. And being time limited helps with that a LOT.

So, since you always hear from the discontent, let me say, THANK YOU. I was excited for this and was not disappointed. It's awesome.

Prophet_of_Malacath wrote: »

MMOs & Groups:
Everquest had 72-player raids. That's 6 groups of 12.

And if you died, you didn't respawn with your gear - you had to run naked, from the last city you bound in, back to the same location in your raid before the monsters spawned. You had to revisit your body to loot your gear.

WoW had 40-man raids, then 10 & 25-man raids since WotLK. They've added other sizes since then.

MMOs have always had content demanding far larger groups than ESO ever has. The 4-man & 12-man teams in ESO are casual friendly; the Group Finder is casual friendly.


The Night Market is not Overland / Difficulty+ content. That stuff releases later this year.

The Night Market is more akin to a "pre-Trial" zone. You kill Bosses to unlock Dungeon Bosses; you kill Dungeon Bosses to reach the Trial. The "target audience" enjoying it are folks intimidated by Dungeons, Trials & Veteran content - suddenly realizing "oh hey, this isn't so bad". They see even "pros" die. They see that teamwork & rezzing folks means even a low-level can save the team. The zones have quests, races, puzzles that can be soloed - most mob packs too. I've killed a Boss with just 4 people (like any Dungeon).

The Night Market is not Overland.
The Night Market is a warm-up for Group/Dungeon/Trial content.

And it's a brilliant one, considering how many timid players are realizing "oh wow, I can totally do this".

No they haven't. When MMOs originated, grouping was not involved. Most MMOs didn't even have a chat options.

I also disagree that ESO grouping is casual friendly. The group finder doesn't function because players don't use it. They scream out in zone chat -- which is also annoying. Grouping in ESO is toxic and is more often a painful experience for someone who just came for entertainment. ESO players in groups can be as toxic and disagreeable as they are in this thread. Some moving toward being hostile, some kicking players out, while other just constantly argue that THEIR way is best.

The Night Market is forced group content. (Forced because it is NOT doable solo.) Since it was billed as something everyone can do, player who choose to run solo or with one friend have a legitimate complaint.

(I do not believe that a single 'timid' player suddenly realized they are a groupie. They likely tried it and left because dying and trying to return to the group is not fun. Watching cappers kill without being killed is not fun. This event was designed for players that do heavy dungeons. Without the CP points and the dungeon gears, a player does not have a chance at participating. The most they can do is follow behind and pick up scraps like dogs. That is not a good feeling.