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Re: Two New Features that will Save ESO and Make it a 30+ Year Game
My main impression this year is that ZOS seems to be understaffed. I don't know, obviously, but many things that were released this year just feel like they're actually unfinished, but had to be released anyway because of schedules:
- There were no new companions.
- No new ToT deck.
- Dolmens got moved from the summer main release to the event in autumn.
- The event was extremely bugged, East Solstice as well upon release.
- There's no French translation and several others have partially missing lines that show up in their English original, and I also have the impression that the German translation on East Solstice dialogues feels a little strange at times, which was never a problem in earlier chapters.
- The scope of new content is also decreasing, the map size might be big, but it feels rather empty.
- Almost all buildings are locked.
- Most town npcs have no dialogue at all, not even a greeting.
- There's less lorebooks.
- The number of quests is reduced, and even the scope of singular quests. There's 15 side quests in East Solstice, I think, and 4 or 5 of them are done in a minute. There's literally a quest where someone misses her pet, you need to go to the pet (which isn't even far away), feed it, it runs to its owner, quest finished. It's done in seconds! This would have worked well as a starting point for a quest chain, but it's really just this, there's no follow-up. So to me it feels either unfinished or like it's just there to increase the quest number somehow, because "10 side quests" would sound even worse than "15 side quests".
And that's just the things I can think of immediately.
This seems to be the problem, to me, that needs to be solved. Without enough people to reasonably work on content, even with the best intentions and well-thought-out plans, the result will be underwhelming.
- There were no new companions.
- No new ToT deck.
- Dolmens got moved from the summer main release to the event in autumn.
- The event was extremely bugged, East Solstice as well upon release.
- There's no French translation and several others have partially missing lines that show up in their English original, and I also have the impression that the German translation on East Solstice dialogues feels a little strange at times, which was never a problem in earlier chapters.
- The scope of new content is also decreasing, the map size might be big, but it feels rather empty.
- Almost all buildings are locked.
- Most town npcs have no dialogue at all, not even a greeting.
- There's less lorebooks.
- The number of quests is reduced, and even the scope of singular quests. There's 15 side quests in East Solstice, I think, and 4 or 5 of them are done in a minute. There's literally a quest where someone misses her pet, you need to go to the pet (which isn't even far away), feed it, it runs to its owner, quest finished. It's done in seconds! This would have worked well as a starting point for a quest chain, but it's really just this, there's no follow-up. So to me it feels either unfinished or like it's just there to increase the quest number somehow, because "10 side quests" would sound even worse than "15 side quests".
And that's just the things I can think of immediately.
This seems to be the problem, to me, that needs to be solved. Without enough people to reasonably work on content, even with the best intentions and well-thought-out plans, the result will be underwhelming.
Syldras
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Re: Greyhost and Vengeance
RaidingTraiding wrote: »Turtle_Bot wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »
Let the free market of players decide where they want to play. Let them vote with their feet. It is up to Vengeance itself to make itself attractive to players. Only Vengeance can save itself. Coercing players into gameplay that they do not enjoy by deleting the content that they do enjoy is both bad business as well as extraordinarily fraught karma.
Don't yuck someone else's yum. Respect your fellow players and let them enjoy what they enjoy.
Agree with this point here, but it goes both ways.
The die-hard anti-vengeance crowd are using all the same disinformation comments of "We see that some people prefer Vengeance, but because the (laughably bad for data gathering) population bars confirms our anti-vengeance bias, we definitely need to cancel Vengeance to force those players into Grey Host".
Like literally 2 comments above yours and the most recent comment that was responding to a take that was similar to your own (that being, let both campaigns run and let players decide where they want to play) did this.
Both sides need to take a massive chill pill, let both campaigns be their own thing and let players decide which one they want to play.
Like it or not (and this is more of a general statement, not directed at anyone in particular), PvP in ESO NEEDS some form of simplified PvP, alongside the end-game of PvP in ESO, to help new players get into this part of the game. Personally I would like to see some more work done on Vengeance to enable it to be a solid on-boarding campaign for Grey Host (something that the U50 and no-proc campaigns failed at doing).Teaching new players about important stat thresholds, mechanics, flow of combat, etc. in a simplified way that's easy to learn, so that players feel like they have some base knowledge/skills to join Grey Host and don't just feel gatekept out of Grey Host by the sheer learning cliff that it has.
ZOS has implemented sets in the past that could have helped with this learning curve (intentionally or not) with mythics such as Oakensoul and Torc of Ayleid king (oakensoul with the buffs, torc with baseline stats), but on release they either overperformed (oakensoul) and required massive nerfs or underperformed (Torc) and were completely forgotten about, so much so that they really didn't work well (oaken just became the defacto everyone runs this, so nothing changed, torc just didn't do enough to compete with how oppressively overpowered all the procs have become and how stat dense all the builds have gotten).
To me, ESO's PvP has the same issues as Yu-Gi-Oh and the fighting game genre. Amazing to play/has unmatched potential once you've invested the time to get good at it, but it simply takes too long to see even the most basic of results that keep that drive going, especially in the very time-poor reality that we currently live in.
Easy to learn, hard to master is the core essence of a good game/mode, but ESO PvP (like the others I mentioned above) suffers more from easy to learn, impossible to master and that just drives the majority of new players away (or just flat out prevents them from even trying in the first place).
PvE simply cannot function in this role because of a few factors:
- PvE is a repetitive task, once the mechanic is learned, there's no variation to practice it under differing scenarios.
- PvE uses completely different stats/utility to PvP.
- PvE has set roles that it's been split into, while PvP is a mix of every role all at once with minimal definition (so the build knowledge required for PvE does not fit for PvP making it a very different skill-set even at this level).
I'm sure there's more, but it's easy to see how PvE will always fail to help players prepare for PvP. They are just 2 completely different modes and the skill-sets required for 1 does not directly/easily translate to the other, especially at an end-game level.
Simplified pvp is exactly the campaign ravenwatch was, especially when no proc and no hammer was in effect, and that's what killed that campaign. Zos finally realized this and reverted it back, but it was too late at that point. Why do people always forget about this? Maybe there's just too many new players who missed that whole episode? There's also below 50 for new players. Dont need this many dead camps for new players / those who want a simplified experience.
Just getting thrown into regular pvp with no hand holding is the best way to learn imo, but what drives people away is the overtly overtuned sets and mechanics that has defined the meta for years. i would hate being a new player trying to learn in a zone dominated by no counter pull sets like rush of agony and unkillable groups that have 50k perma shields on every member with who knows how much healing per second. not to mention the performance issues. don't get me wrong, you should be rewarded for grouping up and playing with friends in an mmo, but this current power level is absurd. Greyhost would be way more fun and more engaging for newer players if they fixed those 2 things at the very least. (at least for rush of agony by fix i mean removing entirely from pvp)
Well that is not the entire story with raven watch.
- Around that same time pretty much all of the Under 50 guilds on ep/dc either disbanded or moved into ravenwatch leaving u50 campaign to die out. This was because AD had an Australian guild form (not to their fault being australian) but this lead to them flipping the map unopposed each night leading to other factions to quit over time when their new players didnt want to fight an uphill battle while learning.
- Inevitably without U50 running new players never stuck in cyrodil because it was dead and boring. Where Bgs were more popular and easy to get into. So we saw huge declines in new players getting involved in cyrodil guilds across all the campaigns.
- Then ravenwatch got the combined 3-4 AD guilds where ep/dc had 1-2 guilds. Which lead to the map being constantly flipped yellow for months on end.
- Eventually the same trend that happened in u50 happened in raven where the map stayed one color and the other factions disbanded or moved on to greyhost.
Cyrodil was never meant to be played with a dying population. The concept of two losing factions teaming up only works if all factions have relatively the same populations. The game rules a decade ago should have been adjusted such that the losing factions get the combat bonuses to fight back while the winning faction gets the ap bonuses for their reward.
Re: Two New Features that will Save ESO and Make it a 30+ Year Game
They already do surveys (usually sent out by email), they ask questions in the forum and in social media sometimes, they have a PTS, and lots of internal stats no one else has access to. Why would the survey type you suggest, for a limited part of a customerbase (the ones who pay a certain minimum amount, which does not neccessarily correlate with knowledge about the game or the ability to make smart decisions), make a better alternative?
Syldras
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Re: Crown Refreshing Drink... Why?
Crown Meals
Crown Crafting Training
Crown Riding Lessons
Crown Poisons
Crown Refreshing Drinks
... all pointless for me. All deleted.
Crown Crafting Training
Crown Riding Lessons
Crown Poisons
Crown Refreshing Drinks
... all pointless for me. All deleted.
Re: What about reporting AFK players in Battlegrounds?
You're correct, nothing happens when you report AFK players.
That aside, the issue can be solved within the current format of BGs by applying two easy fixes ...
1) Automatically teleport players onto the field from spawn point after 10 seconds
2) Automatically respawn dead players after 10 seconds.
This way, the game finishes quickly if its unbalanced and everyone can move on with thier gaming.
If you"re sitting in spawn just wasting time and all your team mates are dead then you're just a troll ... in this instance, expect to get some verbals thrown at you.
So in a crazy king battleground where the winning team kills the loosers nearly instantly and avoids taking flag to avoid bg to end they can kill every player on loosing team 45 times?
Guess this will motivate them very much and not make them leave battleground.
Iriidius
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Re: Now is the time to make necro pets permanent
Permanent pets are strictly worse than temporary pets. They take more bar space, have a bad AI system, and typically do less damage. Why are we still asking for Necro pets to be worse?
Not to mention you'd have to redesign the entire kit. What happens with the corpse system if pets are permanent and don't die to create corpses? What happens with the bounties in town if you have to manually de-summon pets?
Besides, Necromancy in Elder Scrolls has always revolved around temporary summons. The only time you can get permanent resurrections in the TES games have typically been the Staff of Worms or with a master level thrall spell.
Not to mention you'd have to redesign the entire kit. What happens with the corpse system if pets are permanent and don't die to create corpses? What happens with the bounties in town if you have to manually de-summon pets?
Besides, Necromancy in Elder Scrolls has always revolved around temporary summons. The only time you can get permanent resurrections in the TES games have typically been the Staff of Worms or with a master level thrall spell.
Re: Now is the time to make necro pets permanent
While it bugged me at first that Necromancers don't have permanent pets, I've gotten used to it over the years, and given how they're designed it makes sense.
Wardens need more options for permanent animal companions than just bears, but I'm fine with Necromancer minions basically being fire-and-forget projectiles that factor into their rotations. Also it would be lore-breaking if they were to remove the illegal status of necromantic spells, which is what people would be demanding as soon as they forgot to de-spawn those permanent pets when entering their home cities to dump their loot.
Wardens need more options for permanent animal companions than just bears, but I'm fine with Necromancer minions basically being fire-and-forget projectiles that factor into their rotations. Also it would be lore-breaking if they were to remove the illegal status of necromantic spells, which is what people would be demanding as soon as they forgot to de-spawn those permanent pets when entering their home cities to dump their loot.
Feature request: Offer group teleport
When you first group with someone, there is a pop up which offers you the option to teleport to whichever wayshrine is closest to the group leader. In the group menu, there should be the ability to offer a teleport to all group members similar to this. It would be much more convenient when traveling zones, if you choose to port into a dungeon, visiting houses, porting into a trial, etc and can help ensure that everyone is in the same instance as a convenience.
To avoid it being spammed, there could be a minute / two minute cool down or such.
To avoid it being spammed, there could be a minute / two minute cool down or such.
Re: Two New Features that will Save ESO and Make it a 30+ Year Game
If you want an in-game poll about specific content, it should be offered to any player that completes such content. It should not be locked behind paying for one feature over another. However, it should only be completable once per account. And a limited number of times per IP address to reduce the amount of account spamming to inflate specific choices, while allowing for multiple individuals that use the same IP address to be able to participate.
End of the day, the developers will make whatever choices they want to make regardless of player opinions.
End of the day, the developers will make whatever choices they want to make regardless of player opinions.
Re: Why no ancient khajiit, redguard, bosmer motifs?
Y'ffre's Fallen Wood style is very similar to the Heavy Wood Elf armour.
not exactly Ancestral, but close.
i would like more Ancestral versions of old motifs, but not if they come from Treasure Maps again. Treasure Maps are an awful antiquity source.
not exactly Ancestral, but close.
i would like more Ancestral versions of old motifs, but not if they come from Treasure Maps again. Treasure Maps are an awful antiquity source.
