They should have set it up like the Public Dungeons' group boss, in terms of difficulty. Easy to solo as vets, fairly hard as new players. Fastest if done with a group.

...though the dailies absolutely need to be solo-friendly. If you don't understand why...I task you with doing them in the wee hours of your time zone.
Note: So far all I've tried to do is the arachnid invasion one with the fire turrets. Looks like at least 2 players are needed to reach the pedestals in time.

IDK why all the negativity. I like how hard it is. Finally a group zone that doesn't allow ppl to roll over NPCs like we can solo in any other zone. TY
Yeah, the district quests rewards stink but can be fun doing solo. hop on a tank with ring of the wild hunt and you'll do fine.
The puzzles, bosses, and trial require group coordination. so yeah, if you are a solo these may not be for you either. It's OK if you solos don't like this zone, you don't have to visit it. but finally us players who like to team up have a zone worth destroying.
the district and faction quest rewards are ok (not as bad as i previously stated since, on occasion, I've pulled furnishing plans and motifs of good value).
Good place to farm gold (while in a group) so please don't beg for gold in zone chats across Tamriel.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom please don't nerf.


ps. i love that graphic in post #491. maybe a bit too harsh for some, but much of it is good PSA info.

You're gonna learn today, it is training day. If you're struggling with a 12 man group, you're probably not ready for 4 man vet dungeons either. It is mostly mechanics from dungeons, bastion nymics, etc.

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Okay, people don't like Vengeance and it makes them feel angry or neglected or whatever negative thing, granted.

I get lost on how this translates to "someone else should have their fun decreased." Can anyone explain an honest, rational reason for this request, or is it just upset people lashing out?

It’s lashing out. Especially considering that most of the high-level PvErs also think that Vengeance testing was a bad idea and were against shitting down part of PvP for it. The people who seriously champion Vengeance as a way to get into PvP without gearing up aren’t generally getting into high-level PvE because… they’re not geared up for that either.

I refused to go into Vengeance this test or the last one because I do not think it’s right to get rid of Cyrodiil. I am still mad that U50 will remove the standard Cyrodiil versions other than Grey Host. I dislike what they’re doing to MYM. And I know I’m not the only PvEr who thinks that.

Sorry to derail this, but that typo made me laugh.

I've been playing the Night market quite a bit, I'm a fairly endgame raider, I'm not totally BIS but I run a combination of Corpse Burster, Perfected Null Arca, and Velothi's/Pale Order depending on if i'm grouped or solo. I've done quite a few veteran trials and trial HMs, but no trifectas. I felt like the difficulty was appropriate to my skill, it wasn't too punishing, but I still had to pay attention to not die.

My main feedback is that I feel like the daily quests in each area are too scattered out, since you have to find them around and then actually run around and do them. It made exploring between mobs a bit tedious, and when with a group, I felt rushed through or didn't have a chance to turn in. If there was a central pick up / drop off area like IC has, then that would help alleviate this.

I also feel like the favors are too slow to earn, and I also wish that we could use our favors themselves to purchase things with as opposed to gold. As it stands, it's not a satisfying method of progress.

Some instances felt incredibly full, while others were pretty barren. Getting either or feels like a coin flip. A small increase in population, or an easier way to find people in each instance (such as a signifier outside of the the Parch, Skittering, and Sorrows) would help.

Empathy works both ways though. You also need to consider and allow other players to have different feelings and thoughts about ESO, even if they differ from yours. Without calling them elites, or accusing them of bullying because they simply have a different perspective or disagree with yours. It should give players the ability to accept other opinions/feelings as valid alongside their own.

I'm a very average player, with old pure class builds that are even more average. So I absolutely do empathise with those who are in a similar position. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything that other casual players feel or believe. People can disagree passionately and still have empathy and compassion for the other player's situation.

I'm not "elite" because I'm okay with the difficulty in the Night Market. I've just been a gamer long enough to accept that difficult content exists, even if it is much harder for me to complete. I group up without complaining, even though it's outside my comfort zone sometimes. I am okay with bits of ESO being less fun for me when others do enjoy them. If I suck at something because I have the co-ordination of a blindfolded sloth, so be it.

Thats just the thing, its only fun if its limited and unique. Better to leave it in the Night Market or possibly IA. Give this to Subclassing and all the fun is gone in seconds.

I would have thought this was part of DKs pre rework. After all they throw rocks, have rock shields and use rock as CC. But I guess that was only a dream. Maybe in the far future.

End game players need some content too once in a blue moon. Finally i can fight again.
Some choiches in the night market have a discutible design and some akivements like the rolling boulder puzzles at times don't get awarded to some random members in the group but overall i'm finally playing the game again.

Every time something get introduced is the same discussion about how new players can do it or people with little time can do it.
The result is that we have a series of easily obtained fetch quests.
Economy is broken because all crafting materials need to be easily obtained resulting in a similar problem.
High time investment achivements like champion points or collecting all crafting stations earn you essentially nothing because dedicated players simply get forgotten.

Not all content must be for you. I can't do most trifacta trials but i can live with it.

ESO is an enormous game pick the activity you like and complete it.
Your character is your unique adventure and the winning condition what you consider fun.
Accepting some are simply not for you is part of the game.