Mathius_Mordred wrote: »Many people don't read the MOTD...
allochthons wrote: »Ok, this is getting ridiculous. I uninstalled every add-on and library. I closed the game. I deleted the saved data on the console. I deleted the saved data on the cloud. I deleted the console cache. I rebuild the database. I double-checked all my saved data was gone. I've unbookmarked every add-on on the Bethesda page.
When I first launched ESO, without even logging in, I have all these add-ons I've never purposely installed REINSTALLED.
Uninstalling the game to see if THAT will fix it.
@ZOS_Icy @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno Can I get an acknowledgement that you've seen this?
Im only pvping since years. I have spoken in different discord chats about the new coming vengeance tests on console.
The tonus is overall the same ; People dont like it ane are playing something else then, while this is up.
Im sure there is people who are enjoying it and wish its getting permanently implemented.
It feels like for the most it would be a nail in the coffin and it would push a lot of people away from eso (pvp).
Maybe thats the plan? Less people, less lag?
Its maybe 1% of the players on the forum, most just play the game and dont want to have a deep dive into it, including forum registration and looking up and discuss things.
But overall the mood torwards vengeance, at least in the communities im in, is really negative.
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You call forum unrepresentive for having selfselect bias because only 1% of players(from all playstiles) wanting to discuss creating account are on forum but think a cherrypicked sample from the discords you chose to be member in who probably favor one playstile is representative?
Discord is often used for voicechat which is needed for ballgroups/compgroups who are also the ones getting highest stats/healing/shielding on GreyHost and oppose Vengeance the most but rarely by solo players, pugs, casual smallscales or zergs.
You think the 99% not on discord are more against Vengeance than the 1% on forum?
I think the opposite:
If a player is invested enaugh in the game to have forum account to discuss topics (especially builds) than he is more likely invested enaugh to probably have a good build than a player who isnt. Why read patch notes and discuss buff/nerf xy if you not care about good build.
A player finding forum more likely also finds builds in forum or other website than someone who never googles game intern things.
Most of the 99% are rather casual PvP or nonPvP players more likely to like Vengeance than forums.MincMincMinc wrote: »Im only pvping since years. I have spoken in different discord chats about the new coming vengeance tests on console.
The tonus is overall the same ; People dont like it ane are playing something else then, while this is up.
Im sure there is people who are enjoying it and wish its getting permanently implemented.
It feels like for the most it would be a nail in the coffin and it would push a lot of people away from eso (pvp).
Maybe thats the plan? Less people, less lag?
Its maybe 1% of the players on the forum, most just play the game and dont want to have a deep dive into it, including forum registration and looking up and discuss things.
But overall the mood towards vengeance, at least in the communities im in, is really negative.
Depends on friend group really. Your circle of friends that all agree with each other of course are going to be your "majority" of players. For instance my BG community either doesnt care or is just waiting for more tests to bring other systems into the test like passives, morphs, sets. Newer players post summerset era have always played in the proc soup shitshow, so they see vengeance as dumbing down. My 20+ older guildies from 2014-2016 returned for the vengeance test and were reminded of old cyrodil before it got boiled down to procs and effects everywhere with unclear combat. Everyone seems to agree that they want builds to continue, and it is in the best interest of zos to have builds as a main stream of DLC funding
Also realize the survivor bias, if 90% of people leave a game because they hate something about it. The only people remaining apparently are fine or like the current game. Does this mean the game devs trying to go back somewhere in between are ruining it for everyone? No it just means they are ruining it for that remaining portion of players.
We are still in the early stages of vengeance where they are doing background tests and laying out basic skills, no wonder most people find it boring. This is why most games do closed alpha and beta testing.....doing this level of testing is boring for most people who just want a finished product. Right now the major benefits to be happy bout are the split away from PvE and the fact that we cleaned up the random effects that are unnecessary in most cases. By the time you start adding back in all the other systems, combat will basically be the same with newer more performative skills done across the board all at the same time.
I agree on everything of what you said, except that the people in the screenshot are neither my friends or i know them propper.
As i said, i dont know anyone really who enjoyes vengeance.
But that wont stop vengeance and i dont really care, i play expedition 33 while its up
Even if they are not your friends them beeing on a discord community makes them more likely to have same opinion asyou as communitys usually consist of likeminded people and if you voice opposing you get unpopular, mocked or even kicked.
MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »Im only pvping since years. I have spoken in different discord chats about the new coming vengeance tests on console.
The tonus is overall the same ; People dont like it ane are playing something else then, while this is up.
Im sure there is people who are enjoying it and wish its getting permanently implemented.
It feels like for the most it would be a nail in the coffin and it would push a lot of people away from eso (pvp).
Maybe thats the plan? Less people, less lag?
Its maybe 1% of the players on the forum, most just play the game and dont want to have a deep dive into it, including forum registration and looking up and discuss things.
But overall the mood torwards vengeance, at least in the communities im in, is really negative.
[snip]
You call forum unrepresentive for having selfselect bias because only 1% of players(from all playstiles) wanting to discuss creating account are on forum but think a cherrypicked sample from the discords you chose to be member in who probably favor one playstile is representative?
Discord is often used for voicechat which is needed for ballgroups/compgroups who are also the ones getting highest stats/healing/shielding on GreyHost and oppose Vengeance the most but rarely by solo players, pugs, casual smallscales or zergs.
You think the 99% not on discord are more against Vengeance than the 1% on forum?
I think the opposite:
If a player is invested enaugh in the game to have forum account to discuss topics (especially builds) than he is more likely invested enaugh to probably have a good build than a player who isnt. Why read patch notes and discuss buff/nerf xy if you not care about good build.
A player finding forum more likely also finds builds in forum or other website than someone who never googles game intern things.
Most of the 99% are rather casual PvP or nonPvP players more likely to like Vengeance than forums.MincMincMinc wrote: »Im only pvping since years. I have spoken in different discord chats about the new coming vengeance tests on console.
The tonus is overall the same ; People dont like it ane are playing something else then, while this is up.
Im sure there is people who are enjoying it and wish its getting permanently implemented.
It feels like for the most it would be a nail in the coffin and it would push a lot of people away from eso (pvp).
Maybe thats the plan? Less people, less lag?
Its maybe 1% of the players on the forum, most just play the game and dont want to have a deep dive into it, including forum registration and looking up and discuss things.
But overall the mood towards vengeance, at least in the communities im in, is really negative.
Depends on friend group really. Your circle of friends that all agree with each other of course are going to be your "majority" of players. For instance my BG community either doesnt care or is just waiting for more tests to bring other systems into the test like passives, morphs, sets. Newer players post summerset era have always played in the proc soup shitshow, so they see vengeance as dumbing down. My 20+ older guildies from 2014-2016 returned for the vengeance test and were reminded of old cyrodil before it got boiled down to procs and effects everywhere with unclear combat. Everyone seems to agree that they want builds to continue, and it is in the best interest of zos to have builds as a main stream of DLC funding
Also realize the survivor bias, if 90% of people leave a game because they hate something about it. The only people remaining apparently are fine or like the current game. Does this mean the game devs trying to go back somewhere in between are ruining it for everyone? No it just means they are ruining it for that remaining portion of players.
We are still in the early stages of vengeance where they are doing background tests and laying out basic skills, no wonder most people find it boring. This is why most games do closed alpha and beta testing.....doing this level of testing is boring for most people who just want a finished product. Right now the major benefits to be happy bout are the split away from PvE and the fact that we cleaned up the random effects that are unnecessary in most cases. By the time you start adding back in all the other systems, combat will basically be the same with newer more performative skills done across the board all at the same time.
I agree on everything of what you said, except that the people in the screenshot are neither my friends or i know them propper.
As i said, i dont know anyone really who enjoyes vengeance.
But that wont stop vengeance and i dont really care, i play expedition 33 while its up
Even if they are not your friends them beeing on a discord community makes them more likely to have same opinion asyou as communitys usually consist of likeminded people and if you voice opposing you get unpopular, mocked or even kicked.
In my pvp guild of 50 people im literally the only one using the forums.
So i would say the 1% claime is kinda accurate, from my experience.
But i can imagine for us on console its different then for the pc players.
On Console PS EU i dont think many of us like vengeance, judging by the zc and chats with other people, but i also didnt do a representive survey to back my statement xD
But we also dont get bullied by ball groups every day.
Aswell if you get mocked or kicked out of a discord chat for having another opinion, you are in toxic communities and i wish you to find better people to be arround you! Good luck