This is something that needs fixed. It should remember you were in the fight. If you respawn at an oasis and come back but don’t hit anything before the boss dies, you don’t get any credit. Feels bad.

Oh my god, I now understand who this is for!

Pvpers! They seem to love it!

Looking at similarities between NM & GH can see why……🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Seriously, its Friday evening and NO ONE on my pvp guild is in Cyro. Bit sad really.

Day 3 of the Night Market, and I just couldn't get interested enough to do it. Even though it's Friday night and the chances of finding a group are far (in theory) better, the idea of slogging through trash mobs and doing ghost runs and working through my stack of crown repair kits was just not enticing. So I didn't log back in this evening at all.

I heard literally nothing good in my guild chats today about NM (4 active guilds) while I was out clearing some surveys while having my morning coffee. The best I heard was some variants on "maybe it won't be as terrible over the weekend with more people" and that's not a ringing endorsement of the brand-new content.

Whoever decided to present this as "content for everyone" and downplay the actual grouping requirements - as well as whoever else signed off on that messaging - has not helped your initiative to be more transparent and engaged with the playerbase. I watched the livestreams. I read the previews. I would not have wasted several hours in the Night Market with pick-up zerg groups and death-running solo quests if I'd actually understood that you all were releasing alternate Trial-level content.

Syldras wrote: »

Even if it might be hard to understand for some people, I am searching for an explanation why there's so many angry posts right now, why people are disappointed - and how that could be avoided in the future, because it's surely not good for this game, and I enjoy this game and want it to flourish. Don't you want that too?

I feel it’s mainly because of the format change, and a lot of people are lashing out at it not going how they imagined it would. But there are a lot of issues, and most of them are not something ZOS can fix because it has to do with the mindset of the players.

With the old Chapter model, we had a general system: Q1 was Dungeons; Q2 was a big zone with delves and WBs, a story, a trial, and dailies; Q3 was more Dungeons (later nothing but QoL); and then Q4 was a small zone (later a grab bag with Archive or PvP).
But importantly, all of that came at once. We got a major announcement in January about what was releasing in June since the Chapter was the big thing. Then it dropped and people could focus on what they liked… and ignore what they didn’t. Most story people couldn’t care less about the Trial, so they never thought about it.

That changed this year.
We got an announcement in January, but it really only followed Season Zero stuff. That means people are seeing the Night Market as “the big thing for the whole year” instead of just a thing in this season. They’re used to hearing hype for the big thing, and now there is no big thing - there are three small things.
Not to mention, the big thing was always a big zone. People heard “event zone” and missed the word ‘event.’

Essentially, people are seeing the Night Market as a replacement for the Chapter zone. They paid real money for the Season pass (which they didn’t need to, but they’re used to buying the Chapter in January) and only thought they were making Chapter stuff cheaper instead of fundamentally changing it. Then the “zone” comes out and it has basically no story and is designed for groups. That feels like a betrayal.
What they don’t understand is that the story stuff is coming, and it’s coming in the June patch like normal. But there’s no zone attached. The Night Market is a replacement for the Dungeons we normally get, but these people never gave a second thought to Dungeons since they never did them, so they don’t know (or care) that they didn’t release this year. And then this does, and it’s not called “Dungeons,” so they don’t think of this along the lines of other group content.

Another issue is the fact that the devs were dancing around the grouping. They made it quite clear that it was designed for groups but solo players could zerg surf or solo if they were strong enough. But for players who mostly solo zone quests, there is no indication of what ‘strong enough’ means. The devs should have said something like “people with Flawless Conqueror may not struggle,” to put things in a bit of perspective.
If a player has soloed the entire questline of every zone for the past 11 years, they may consider themselves expert soloists since they don’t need others. They don’t understand that zone quests are the lowest common denominator of difficulty, and can be done in pretty well any gear and skillset. But they think they’re experts due to doing it so long. As such, once they hear that “experts could solo this,” they think that includes them, and then they get in and get deleted instantly. The game does a bad job of teaching players anything combat- or gear-related, and them getting oneshot then makes them think it has to be an issue with the game since they can do everything overland just fine… not considering that overland is not teaching anything about what’s important.

Finally, the dripfeed release model is bad. I get the idea is to try to keep interest generally high (instead of like New World’s version of “a single content drop and an influx of players, and then everyone leaves when they’re done,” which ESO also kind of had). However, this means that every content drop doesn’t have something for everyone - the drops are smaller and then targeted to specific bases. If you’re not part of that playerbase, then you just see ZOS not doing anything for you.
We haven’t gotten content since the other half of Solstice opened. And then March’s patch gave us larger DK visuals, but no content. This is the first big new thing to do… and it’s for groups. Soloists are sitting there wondering where their stuff is (and not realizing that U50 is all solo stuff and nothing for anyone else). As such, it feels to some like the solos have been abandoned, because they are not seeing what’s coming up.

So yeah, it’s a lot. But it’s mostly a reduction in content from what we used to get leading to no zone this year, and now they started the year with the typical Dungeon content equivalent being hyped and the stuff from the rest of the year being kept quiet.

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Can't wait for DK fest where every other class is unviable. And the coming patches where it'll just be sorc/DK/werewolf.

Yep, 12 years out from launch and we're all signed up for testing until 2028.
No thanks, I'm going to do something else and come back when ESO gets out of beta.

Okay, so like, the night market might be the best PVE thing ZOS has ever done.
The various bosses are tuned just right for a casual group with people that vaguely know how to do their roles and that mechanics exist. The skirmishes are super fun, I could even stand for them to have a few more phases.
It needs better rewards to keep people coming back, and it could stand to be a little more navigable for people trying to catch up to their groups, but I actually kinda think ZOS mostly nailed the actual mechanics of the zone here. It's great, first I'm I've actually enjoyed causal PVE in ESO in a long time.