Streak+DK

ADawg · April 28

"Just kite the DK they said, stay away from them they said...."

But alas...they gave them STREAK.

WTF is the counter to this class now?

ADawg · April 28

in a BG now...literal WHIP FEST...

LOL

Usureki · April 28

Counter them by not playing PvP until the DEVs manage to fix an obviously messed up update.
Demotivating I know, but objectively there is nothing one can do right now.

albertberku · April 28

With Max Magicka Magsorc in Cyrodiil i use 7 - 8 streaks to get away as soon as possible from their 5 - 6 streak + leap reach. Sometimes this is not enough though if the start was close. Then i do 4 streaks in one direction, use Undo on backbar and do 6 -7 streaks on the other direction. They just give up at that point. That is what i do when i see a DK with Streak slotted. But if they were to chase you, you cant outsustain them anyway. I use Dark Conversion, even i cant outsustain them in the long run when running away. Soo, there is that.

Ardent Flame + Draconic + Storm Calling is really stupid build atm. You have 20 sec Minor Expedition, Major Expedition from Bow if you want, 170% sprint speed from medium armor. An unblockable undodgeable 15m distance stun and a gap closer Ult on top of that. There is nothing really much you can do about them. You cant just kill them as well, since they are not squishy at all. But they can easily oneshot you if you are not being careful. Other option is that you play a similar build, so that you will not notice how OP it is xD

I am just waiting someone to come in this thread and tell us that it is a skill issue and we just have to use our abilities and healing. Looks like every forum thread like these attract those "skill issue" community.

MincMincMinc · April 28

Usureki wrote: »

Counter them by not playing PvP until the DEVs manage to fix an obviously messed up update.
Demotivating I know, but objectively there is nothing one can do right now.

I do find it funny they introduced subclassing and their counter to balance it was to power creep the game with pureclass buffs.

I am still torn on subclass vs the new pureclass buffs. Like for stamsorc daedric and dark magic are so trash I dropped them without a second thought for animal +aedric/assassin. Honestly I cant see two passive buffs making daedric and dark magic beat animal+assassin or animal+aedric

ceruulean · April 28

I find it funny that people discuss and try to get PvP balance in the PTS thread for U50. As if the devs are gonna listen when Vengeance is now the PvP mode with dedicated PvP-tailored skills and loadouts.

People just straight up tell me that not having streak means you're doomed in U49. So everyone has to play sorcerer to be competitive? Man that's pretty boring. Used to be that magplar and magdens were better for duels and skirmishes and sorc wa better for open world. Now you can play sorc DK and own everyone.

ADawg · April 28

I mean, they could punish spamming of streak so it like doubles each use or something?

If vengeance becomes PVP, I will become NOT AN ESO PLAYER.

The solution to fix wildly insane imbalances due to decisions they made is not to destroy creativity in builds.

Not sure what I'll end up playing? Maybe Ill just go smash this gaming PC and go outside more. I dunno.

ADawg · April 28

LOL ITS SO BAD

In a BG again.

Nothing but DKs

Oblivion_Protocol · April 30

ADawg wrote: »

I mean, they could punish spamming of streak so it like doubles each use or something?

It literally already increases in cost for each use after the first before a set amount of time. It’s just that magicka pools are so high, the cost doesn’t matter.

ADawg · May 1

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

ADawg wrote: »

I mean, they could punish spamming of streak so it like doubles each use or something?

It literally already increases in cost for each use after the first before a set amount of time. It’s just that magicka pools are so high, the cost doesn’t matter.

THEN MAKE....IT....COST....MORE

Oblivion_Protocol · May 2

ADawg wrote: »

THEN MAKE....IT....COST....MORE

Honestly, that wouldn’t help. Two or three castings of Streak are really all most players need to get in range or get away from a fight (barring the other person casting Streak).

hoangdz · May 2

ADawg wrote: »

I mean, they could punish spamming of streak so it like doubles each use or something?

If vengeance becomes PVP, I will become NOT AN ESO PLAYER.

The solution to fix wildly insane imbalances due to decisions they made is not to destroy creativity in builds.

Not sure what I'll end up playing? Maybe Ill just go smash this gaming PC and go outside more. I dunno.

Why nerf Streak when DK is the problem?

ADawg · May 2

hoangdz wrote: »

ADawg wrote: »

I mean, they could punish spamming of streak so it like doubles each use or something?

If vengeance becomes PVP, I will become NOT AN ESO PLAYER.

The solution to fix wildly insane imbalances due to decisions they made is not to destroy creativity in builds.

Not sure what I'll end up playing? Maybe Ill just go smash this gaming PC and go outside more. I dunno.

Why nerf Streak when DK is the problem?

Because no one cares until THEIR toys are taken away too

moo_2021 · May 2

I don't understand the complaints. Weren't most good players sorcs just one update ago? DK couldn't be a threat to them because they can keep distance all the time.

Unless it's the same players who re-spec'ed to DK while others continue complaining as usual.

VinnyGambini · May 3

I told this many times - being able to streak 2, 3 times in a row will never be balanced. And now every class can slot streak. There you have it STREAK FIESTA is here.

Streak should be an ULTIMATE, which will solve 90% problems with sorcerer.

And do you know who's fault it is?

Ding ding ding! Yes, it's the toxic sorcerers community which never wanted their broken skill nerfed! You are the ones that are responsible for this!

And NO, dk is NOT the problem here, STREAK dk is the problem here.

Militan1404 · May 3

Why nerf Streak when DK is the problem?[/quote]

Nah streak is one problem, DK is another, but both are a problem each on their own.

ADawg · May 3

moo_2021 wrote: »

I don't understand the complaints. Weren't most good players sorcs just one update ago? DK couldn't be a threat to them because they can keep distance all the time.

Unless it's the same players who re-spec'ed to DK while others continue complaining as usual.

That's literally my point. DK is a strong class which is countered via KITING and getting away from them. Now with subclassing/CP/etc, they run right up to you and stomp your head in and whip you to death. There is no reprieve and everyone knows it.

DK is utterly BROKEN and majority of PVP is slotting it to be viable.

albertberku · May 3

About Streak i made a poll a while ago, and mostly the result was that it should stay as it is. I believe it needs to change, as well. When pure sorc is using it, it was fine. But when you have extreme damage subclassing builds possible now, you can just create huge dmg builds, and just rely on Streak to escape from every situation while being able to drop insane damage. Or just buff up Ardent Flame bursts and just cast one Streak on people.

Or it should just not be affected by moving speed. Every build that uses Streak moves a certain distance, a brief stopping period and then be able to continue.
Or maybe a more aggressive cost increase? Something like 200% maybe instead of 33% ? Because, you could go with Core of Flame and just the usual medium armor meta subclass build, and will never ever have any issue about casting Streak multiple times every 4 seconds and then sprint at speed cap in between. That is what they do. You shouldnt be able to cast 3 - 4 consecutive Streaks every 4 seconds and then be able to sprint at speed cap inbetween and still sustain whole chain.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/681808/does-streak-need-adjustment