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Vengeance has officially ended the THREE BANNERS WAR
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fizzybeef✭✭✭✭moderatelyfatman wrote: »I love how ZOS absolutely refuse to let players know what the pop cap is for Cyrodiil, as if it is some state secret.
We should try to find out by having an entire guild log into Cyrodiil when it is zero bars and see how many get in before there is a queue.
this is good to see when the campaign begins and ppl apear in leaderboard. 50 players sre two bars, everything above 75 three bars , queue at 1000 -
fizzybeef✭✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_Kevin
are yous aware of this problem?
This needs to be quick fixed its draining the population even more, the people just dont have this forced play mode anymore, on certain plattforms0 -
Aliniel✭✭✭✭✭Did they seriously release vengeance during Undaunted Celebration event? Who the **** is making these decisions?5 -
Did they seriously release vengeance during Undaunted Celebration event? Who the **** is making these decisions?
gotta run the game into the ground to justify all those cutbacks...Founder: Order of the Blue Falcon
Founded: 7July2014
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Sartallis - 2H Stamplar
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Gabriel_H✭✭✭✭✭moderatelyfatman wrote: »I love how ZOS absolutely refuse to let players know what the pop cap is for Cyrodiil, as if it is some state secret.
We should try to find out by having an entire guild log into Cyrodiil when it is zero bars and see how many get in before there is a queue.
In 2013 it was officially stated at 600 per alliance, but due to performance issues they lowered that more and more. Live is around 75 players per alliance, though Vengeance has been estimated to be back up to about 300 per alliance.2 -
SkaiFaith✭✭✭✭✭
✭Personally I enjoyed the big scale battles in the past Vengeance test on console. I entered Cyro immediately this time too, hyped up... But it was way emptier than last time.
I don't know why, many factors for sure, but the fact is even those who are willing to play "can't" due to the low population. This time felt depressing. Last time felt better.
I'll check in the weekend maybe...A: "We, as humans, should respect and take care of each other like in a Co-op, not a PvP 🌸"
B: "Many words. Words bad. Won't read. ⚔️"0 -
L_Nici✭✭✭✭✭
✭It has multiple reasons. The first Vengeance Test people were happy, finally something was done for PvP, it was something new, many participated and rightfully gave the feedback it runs great. Yet even in the first Vengeance there was a huge divide between PvP Opinion and PvE Opinion, PvE people think its great, because its so easy to get in and they won't get nuked by skilled people.
The second Test added Weapon lines, huge change and had a golden Pursuit, yet it was already evident after just a few days how the population got lower. It was not new anymore, not exciting it simply had no long term value playing after finishing the Golden Pursuit.
The third test now happens parallel to the biggest PvE Event without a golden pursuit. You could argue thats a reason people don't play it, but there is the point, PvE people do not play it because their event is more important to them, PvP people do not play it, because its just way to dumbed down. If Vengeance had any chance of longterm success people would still play it. PvP people often do not care for the Undaunted Event yet they are also not there. I think that shows very clearly that Vengeances "Success" Story is just short term, something you can do once in a while but not permanently. Those who play PvP regulary leave it be, those who don't leave after a few days, in the end thats just a downward spiral until no one plays PvP anymore.PC|EU5 -
alternatelder✭✭✭✭✭
✭It has multiple reasons. The first Vengeance Test people were happy, finally something was done for PvP, it was something new, many participated and rightfully gave the feedback it runs great. Yet even in the first Vengeance there was a huge divide between PvP Opinion and PvE Opinion, PvE people think its great, because its so easy to get in and they won't get nuked by skilled people.
The second Test added Weapon lines, huge change and had a golden Pursuit, yet it was already evident after just a few days how the population got lower. It was not new anymore, not exciting it simply had no long term value playing after finishing the Golden Pursuit.
The third test now happens parallel to the biggest PvE Event without a golden pursuit. You could argue thats a reason people don't play it, but there is the point, PvE people do not play it because their event is more important to them, PvP people do not play it, because its just way to dumbed down. If Vengeance had any chance of longterm success people would still play it. PvP people often do not care for the Undaunted Event yet they are also not there. I think that shows very clearly that Vengeances "Success" Story is just short term, something you can do once in a while but not permanently. Those who play PvP regulary leave it be, those who don't leave after a few days, in the end thats just a downward spiral until no one plays PvP anymore.
So pve people like it because otherwise they are killed by...skilled people in a normal mode. But pvp people don't like it because it's dumbed down and now everyone is on even playing field? Is that how I see this argument? So where was that skill coming from? Dare I say...sets and overtuned skills were carrying people?3 -
L_Nici✭✭✭✭✭
✭alternatelder wrote: »It has multiple reasons. The first Vengeance Test people were happy, finally something was done for PvP, it was something new, many participated and rightfully gave the feedback it runs great. Yet even in the first Vengeance there was a huge divide between PvP Opinion and PvE Opinion, PvE people think its great, because its so easy to get in and they won't get nuked by skilled people.
The second Test added Weapon lines, huge change and had a golden Pursuit, yet it was already evident after just a few days how the population got lower. It was not new anymore, not exciting it simply had no long term value playing after finishing the Golden Pursuit.
The third test now happens parallel to the biggest PvE Event without a golden pursuit. You could argue thats a reason people don't play it, but there is the point, PvE people do not play it because their event is more important to them, PvP people do not play it, because its just way to dumbed down. If Vengeance had any chance of longterm success people would still play it. PvP people often do not care for the Undaunted Event yet they are also not there. I think that shows very clearly that Vengeances "Success" Story is just short term, something you can do once in a while but not permanently. Those who play PvP regulary leave it be, those who don't leave after a few days, in the end thats just a downward spiral until no one plays PvP anymore.
So pve people like it because otherwise they are killed by...skilled people in a normal mode. But pvp people don't like it because it's dumbed down and now everyone is on even playing field? Is that how I see this argument? So where was that skill coming from? Dare I say...sets and overtuned skills were carrying people?
Nope. Because any PvE player could use the same overtuned sets and skills, and would still lose against the skilled player. There is much more to it. Movement for example, the abillity to know when to cast what, keep buffs running without running out of Ressources. Its a matter of training. Sets and Skills are equal for everyone anyway, just copy a build.PC|EU1 -
scrappy1342✭✭✭✭
it seemed odd to me that i kept seeing ppl saying there were no rewards and no pursuit for this vengeance test. i saw this in the announcement/FAQ they put up the other day. it's currently on the pinned posts at the top of the forum. i had wondered how they were going to do two pursuits at a time. or maybe they don't mean a vengeance-specific golden pursuit >.> it does not specify. technically, the undaunted pursuit is going on now, so there is -an active- pursuit going on...0 -
Four_Fingers✭✭✭✭✭
✭And here I thought the population bars were broke as I have not seen a single bar for any alliance on PS NA.
Do they work? lol
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fizzybeef✭✭✭✭Four_Fingers wrote: »And here I thought the population bars were broke as I have not seen a single bar for any alliance on PS NA.
Do they work? lol
They do. Its just empty0 -
ZOS_KevinCommunity Managerscrappy1342 wrote: »
it seemed odd to me that i kept seeing ppl saying there were no rewards and no pursuit for this vengeance test. i saw this in the announcement/FAQ they put up the other day. it's currently on the pinned posts at the top of the forum. i had wondered how they were going to do two pursuits at a time. or maybe they don't mean a vengeance-specific golden pursuit >.> it does not specify. technically, the undaunted pursuit is going on now, so there is -an active- pursuit going on...
This was a typo. A pursuit is not active for this Vengeance Test. We will update this now. Thank you for flagging.Edited by ZOS_Kevin on 23 September 2025 15:06Community Manager for ZeniMax Online Studio and Elder Scrolls OnlineDev Tracker | Service Alerts | ESO Twitter0 -
licenturion✭✭✭✭✭
✭Personally I enjoyed the big scale battles in the past Vengeance test on console. I entered Cyro immediately this time too, hyped up... But it was way emptier than last time.
I don't know why, many factors for sure, but the fact is even those who are willing to play "can't" due to the low population. This time felt depressing. Last time felt better.
I'll check in the weekend maybe...
It's not that deep.
One thing that this test makes very clear is that people go where the best rewards are that require the least effort.
It's with every game like that in 2025.
That is also why there a so many complaints about 'meta'. People play meta because it gives you the most rewards (XP, gold, loot, materials, TelVar etc) per hour played because you can clear content more efficient.0 -
SaffronCitrusflower✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭licenturion wrote: »Personally I enjoyed the big scale battles in the past Vengeance test on console. I entered Cyro immediately this time too, hyped up... But it was way emptier than last time.
I don't know why, many factors for sure, but the fact is even those who are willing to play "can't" due to the low population. This time felt depressing. Last time felt better.
I'll check in the weekend maybe...
It's not that deep.
One thing that this test makes very clear is that people go where the best rewards are that require the least effort.
It's with every game like that in 2025.
That is also why there a so many complaints about 'meta'. People play meta because it gives you the most rewards (XP, gold, loot, materials, TelVar etc) per hour played because you can clear content more efficient.
I very much dislike vengeance in every iteration and don't trust that it isn't being developed to eventually replace the live PvP we have now, and that bothers me very much.
But to your point, I did notice that ZOS is offering a grand total of nothing what so ever as a reward for playing vengeance for a week. If they were trying to set themselves up to fail, they succeeded.0 -
MISTFORMBZZZ✭✭✭✭✭
I wonder how the stress test is going with the whole 6 DC who played vengeance today.PS EU5 -
scrappy1342✭✭✭✭SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »But to your point, I did notice that ZOS is offering a grand total of nothing what so ever as a reward for playing vengeance for a week. If they were trying to set themselves up to fail, they succeeded.
maybe that was part of the test? see how many ppl participate with absolutely no incentive2 -
lillybit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Are you sure the problem is population and not the leaderboard itself? It definitely didn't seem to update very much last vengeance anyway.
Personally I enjoyed the last test and as others have said, the Undaunted event is the only reason I haven't got around to joining again this time. The golden pursuit was nice but finished very quickly, so not sure it's the only reason it was busy last timePS4 EU0 -
MissNoirSoul ShrivenOne has to set vengeance as home campaign to be on the leaderboard. I don't think many does that. I haven't so I'm not on the leaderboard.Edited by MissNoir on 23 September 2025 19:311 -
fizzybeef✭✭✭✭
Dont you get asked if you want to set it as home campaign? Or at least its fat on the screen, i wouldnt see why someone would not set it tbh.
So everyone but these brave 6 just forgot i guessEdited by fizzybeef on 23 September 2025 19:530
