shadoza wrote: »

Solo players pay full price but only get half the game.

Incorrect. Solo players get the whole game. They just decide to only play half of it.

shadoza wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

Solo players pay full price but only get half the game.

Incorrect. Solo players get the whole game. They just decide to only play half of it.

Solo players pay full price but only get half the game.

Your version of the truth would mean that there is already challenging content in the game, some folks just choose to make it easy by wearing powerful gear. Right? That nonsense aside, group activities are gated by gated by toxic players so it is not an actual choice if one does not have elite gear.

What you're describing is not a Solo player problem, so much as it's a player without peers problem. Solo players simply don't participate in group content because, well.. they're more comfortable playing alone, and thus choose to play solo. Not because other players impede their efforts.

Furthermore, I dunno what you're ranting on about. No group activity is gated behind toxic players. You can do any group activity you like. Toxic players might not let you participate in that content with their group. But nothing is preventing you from putting your own group together, or shopping for groups with players on a similar footing, to engage in said content.

shadoza wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

Solo players pay full price but only get half the game.

Incorrect. Solo players get the whole game. They just decide to only play half of it.

Solo players pay full price but only get half the game.

Your version of the truth would mean that there is already challenging content in the game, some folks just choose to make it easy by wearing powerful gear. Right? That nonsense aside, group activities are gated by gated by toxic players so it is not an actual choice if one does not have elite gear.

What you're describing is not a Solo player problem, so much as it's a player without peers problem. Solo players simply don't participate in group content because, well.. they're more comfortable playing alone, and thus choose to play solo. Not because other players impede their efforts.

Furthermore, I dunno what you're ranting on about. No group activity is gated behind toxic players. You can do any group activity you like. Toxic players might not let you participate in that content with their group. But nothing is preventing you from putting your own group together, or shopping for groups with players on a similar footing, to engage in said content.

The group dungeons are gated by toxic players.
Toxic players kick other players that do not meet their standards. That is gating.
When advertisement is made in game for a group to form, the group does not belong to anyone. It is PUG.

You're still free to start a group of your own, or find a group of players on a similar footing as yourself. Players can only kick you from a group they created themselves. If the group was filled by the Random Daily activity, it requires a vote-kick of 3 votes. Neither is a form of gatekeeping.

Hello there,

despite you are a solo player or not, OR you are a PVP player or PVE... all events and golden persuits are aiming at specifics to play or at least encouraging some players to get out of their comfort zone. so if you are hardcore PVE player you rage about the whitestrakes mayham event??? no you don't. either you play it, cause you want the rewards or you dont, cause you dont play pvp.
same here. if you want the rewards, play it. how ever you want. solo dungeons to get it. use random normal dungeon finder and let you carry through or what ever. its not so hard giving up your normal playstile for something like 10 to 15 minutes just to get the tickets or whatever.

BUT you just get ONE reward a day from Bolgrul on one char per account is just ridiculous!!!

Is it, that you can share the quest? (never thought to share that quest and never tried) and get undaunted rewards unlimited or what? also, not getting a reward box if you get the quest the previous day and doing it twice at one day (you cannot do this for the next day right?) is also ridiculous! Its not like you getting apex crown crate rewards in this boxes. so why care about the farming?
also in some events there are reward box limits, like you can only get 50 reward boxes max. why not here? so you do bolgrul 50 times and dont get any more rewards running dungeons. at least its an undaunted quest right, and an undaunted event. so...

also most ridiculous: the supplie chest from the dragon guard!!! uh yeah, you get so rare items in it like dragon rheum. ... but honestly, how often do they drop? in thousands right? and to get to open it you have to do the mainquest i think and the 30 dailyquests for the npc! to get the achievment. but you can only open it once per day per account! why? if i do the quests with another char, why can i not open the chest with this char? cause you getting apex crown crate rewards in it and it would be not okey to get them twice per day or even 19 times for 19 chars. right? honestly, someone who does the effort to get the achievment with 19 chars should be allowed to open the chest with all chars!
OR the other way round. achievments are mainly accountwide now, right? but this one... no, this one is personal. why am i not allowed doing the achievment once and can open the chest with every character i want? once a day per account? does it matter?

shadoza wrote: »

This event is an insult. It isn't even possible for player to get the simple level 2 reward unless they play group content. I left the game this day without playing. <== my opinion. Why should I pay full price for the game when I am only getting half the game?

Many of the base game group dungeons are easily soloable with a companion! There’s nothing in the requirements of needing to complete any of the objectives with a group (with the possible exception of one of the specific dungeons — I don’t recall which all are listed).

Being able to solo nFG1 has nothing to do with gear and pots from group dungeons. That's doable with crafted gear and food+pots from the login rewards.

Not doing 1 nFG1 per day during this event is a choice. 'Toxic elitists' won't kick you, they won't even notice you because they finish this dungeon before they finish their rotation. And you can just take the tickets and the event box.

@shadoza

Just queue for normal Fungal Grotto.
It is guranteed that at least one group member is going full Rambo mod, and just rush to 1st and the last boss and kill them solo. No need to run, just stand as you'll get automatically pulled to the bosses, and take loot. This is exactly what I do on my full trial tank when I get random FG I.

Nobody cares about anything in normal base game dungeons.
Especially nobody cares in FG I because vast majority farm just that dungeon.
Heck, there are even dedicated groups who just do that using NBs with Shadow skill to completely skip trash.

FeltyTulip wrote: »

BUT you just get ONE reward a day from Bolgrul on one char per account is just ridiculous!!!

This is indeed ridiculous. And rewards are mostly meh.

Islyn wrote: »

My opinion is that you shouldn't schedule maintenance during events. >:( I always hated this.

This is why Golden Pursuit started 2 days earlier before Undaunted Event so players have enough days to do it.
I don't defend ZOS, but this is correct decision as they learned from the previous event(s) like from the last Whitestrake’s Mayhem.
Maintenance is basically every week, no way any event can't avoid it...

Katheriah wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

Katheriah wrote: »

Being able to solo nFG1 has nothing to do with gear and pots from group dungeons. That's doable with crafted gear and food+pots from the login rewards.

Not doing 1 nFG1 per day during this event is a choice. 'Toxic elitists' won't kick you, they won't even notice you because they finish this dungeon before they finish their rotation. And you can just take the tickets and the event box.

Okay, they there is no need for more difficult content because wearing elite gear is a choice. Right?
The 'choice' argument is a failed argument because it assumes that a player should play a certain way or deal with consequences while other players are not required to play a way that is not enjoyable to them. That's wrong. I won't argue it further.

It's not wrong. You want rewards? You play the content.

Or do you want to login and automatically get rewarded the dungeon event boxes, your event tickets, some materials you would have otherwise farmed and some PvP leaderboard rewards too while we're at it?

With dungeons you literally choose how difficult and/or time consuming it is. Nobody is forcing you to do a Lep Seclusa HM no death for your event rewards. You can literally queue up for nFG1 and be done with it in less than 5 minutes.

"Okay, they there is no need for more difficult content because wearing elite gear is a choice. Right?
The 'choice' argument is a failed argument because it assumes that a player should play a certain way or deal with consequences while other players are not required to play a way that is not enjoyable to them. That's wrong. I won't argue it further."

mdjessup4906 wrote: »

Anyone can do normal dungeons. And I mean anyone. I avoided them far too long myself for fear of letting group down but its misplaced fr.

No gear? Craft the below. Many will do it for free if your new or poor.
Dps: Orders wrath+anything damage related + druid head and shoulders just to fill the spot. All stam/mag, all divines trait, 5 medium 1 light, 1 heavy to level.
Healer same as dps, just go all magic and use resto staff and healing skills.
Tank: 5 pc heavy armor, sword and shield front, ice staff back, in any sets thst looks useful to a group, or just pure survival if your really unsure. All health enchant, reinforced big pieces, divines small ones. Use food and attributes to give yourself 30-40k health.

In q your likely to get a burn group anyway so enjoy the carry and free loot. But being at least thet much geared will let 4 inexperienced players complete without too much trouble.

Anyone can do a normal dungeon but here is the gear, the DPS, Healer, Tank needs and you can use elite pots to double or triple your stats. Just take the ride, let the group carry you, they'll kick you but that won't matter?
This is all so much non-sense. Stop with the excuses.

Mik195 wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

mdjessup4906 wrote: »

Anyone can do normal dungeons. And I mean anyone. I avoided them far too long myself for fear of letting group down but its misplaced fr.

No gear? Craft the below. Many will do it for free if your new or poor.
Dps: Orders wrath+anything damage related + druid head and shoulders just to fill the spot. All stam/mag, all divines trait, 5 medium 1 light, 1 heavy to level.
Healer same as dps, just go all magic and use resto staff and healing skills.
Tank: 5 pc heavy armor, sword and shield front, ice staff back, in any sets thst looks useful to a group, or just pure survival if your really unsure. All health enchant, reinforced big pieces, divines small ones. Use food and attributes to give yourself 30-40k health.

In q your likely to get a burn group anyway so enjoy the carry and free loot. But being at least thet much geared will let 4 inexperienced players complete without too much trouble.

Anyone can do a normal dungeon but here is the gear, the DPS, Healer, Tank needs and you can use elite pots to double or triple your stats. Just take the ride, let the group carry you, they'll kick you but that won't matter?
This is all so much non-sense. Stop with the excuses.

I think more people can solo dungeons than are aware they can.

I have some advantages - CP2000+ so all the passives and fully bought slotted skills (not that I've ever seen a difference when I change them), gold crafted armor and weapons, Oakensoul and I usually play with a companion and often with a bear.

Disadvantages include nerve issues which mean that a button my brain pushes may or may not get pushed by my hand, dizziness that means that sometimes, I have to stop and close my eyes for a bit (where the bear and companion really are helpful), ability to roll dodge or use ultimates is fairly random.

I'm good at blocking but not at blocking when it's needed and not 30 seconds earlier. I can sometimes avoid a run of the mill clanfear jump but usually get whacked by the tail.

I always thought that my DPS was around 20K so when Xbox got a DPS tracker addin, found out that, yep, I'm right. I rarely break 20k.

But, even with all that, I've managed to solo all the base game dungeons on normal, both 1 & 2 except where impossible, a few of the DLC dungeons with my brother who actually did significantly less DPS than me (he died last year so be nice), and more world bosses than I expected.

TLDR: if you've never soloed a dungeon before, you might do better than you expect. Your DPS is probably a lot higher than mine and your skills fire properly so give Fungal Grotto or Elden Ring a shot. I recommend stopping at the door and checking out what you'll need to kill in the next room before attacking.

I'd avoid Banished Cells because final boss has a heal and companions seem to drag the boss to where the heal spawns so you don't have time to kill it. I don't know if there's a lot of damage from the last boss on Spindleclutch, but the Whisperer does have a lot of grab skills that are annoying.

My DPS is 2k average 5K if I am lucky with crit. My health is 26k. I do not have high end gear because you cannot get anything high end without playing groups. I can increase my health but then my stam regen is slow. As long as I have Stam, I can self-heal. The issues I see most often in group dungeons is that if one dies fighting boss, they stay dead until the fight ends or the fight is wiped. If there is only one of you, that means starting the entire fight over. With low DPS, the fight with the boss goes on long enough that I get one-hit.

The oakensoul ring requires the fighting of world bosses, volcano vents, and theft. One of those is simple enough, the other two takes more than one player.

shadoza wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

This event is an insult. It isn't even possible for player to get the simple level 2 reward unless they play group content. I left the game this day without playing. <== my opinion. Why should I pay full price for the game when I am only getting half the game?

Many of the base game group dungeons are easily soloable with a companion! There’s nothing in the requirements of needing to complete any of the objectives with a group (with the possible exception of one of the specific dungeons — I don’t recall which all are listed).

Soloable by whom? Those that do group dungeon and have the better gear and pots from doing group dungeons? Forgive but I place this in the same bin as 'I can do the whole game naked' claim. I don't believe it. I have not been able to duplicate the claim.

I am by no means an elite player, certainly not when it comes to DPS. I’ve normal Fungal Grotto, for instance, with a character as I was leveling so I could join the Undaunted and start leveling that line. I ran it with a companion. I think I focused on damage and heals and had my companion focus on aggro and staying alive. I think I used tri pots from log in rewards and similar food — nothing fancy. I had my crafter make gear for my level so I was wearing whatever sets I thought helpful — no dungeon or trial sets, nor PvP or overland. It’s not going to be the fastest way to run the dungeon, but it was fun and I like to run through the whole story and dialogue sometimes.