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Official Discussion Thread for "Brave Tamriel’s Dungeons During the Undaunted Celebration"
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shadoza✭✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »
Solo players pay full price but only get half the game.
Your version of the truth would mean that there is already challenging content in the game, some folks just choose to make it easy by wearing powerful gear. Right? That nonsense aside, group activities are gated by gated by toxic players so it is not an actual choice if one does not have elite gear.0 -
DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »
Solo players pay full price but only get half the game.
Your version of the truth would mean that there is already challenging content in the game, some folks just choose to make it easy by wearing powerful gear. Right? That nonsense aside, group activities are gated by gated by toxic players so it is not an actual choice if one does not have elite gear.
What you're describing is not a Solo player problem, so much as it's a player without peers problem. Solo players simply don't participate in group content because, well.. they're more comfortable playing alone, and thus choose to play solo. Not because other players impede their efforts.
Furthermore, I dunno what you're ranting on about. No group activity is gated behind toxic players. You can do any group activity you like. Toxic players might not let you participate in that content with their group. But nothing is preventing you from putting your own group together, or shopping for groups with players on a similar footing, to engage in said content.
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shadoza✭✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »
Solo players pay full price but only get half the game.
Your version of the truth would mean that there is already challenging content in the game, some folks just choose to make it easy by wearing powerful gear. Right? That nonsense aside, group activities are gated by gated by toxic players so it is not an actual choice if one does not have elite gear.
What you're describing is not a Solo player problem, so much as it's a player without peers problem. Solo players simply don't participate in group content because, well.. they're more comfortable playing alone, and thus choose to play solo. Not because other players impede their efforts.
Furthermore, I dunno what you're ranting on about. No group activity is gated behind toxic players. You can do any group activity you like. Toxic players might not let you participate in that content with their group. But nothing is preventing you from putting your own group together, or shopping for groups with players on a similar footing, to engage in said content.
The group dungeons are gated by toxic players.
Toxic players kick other players that do not meet their standards. That is gating.
When advertisement is made in game for a group to form, the group does not belong to anyone. It is PUG.0 -
DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »
Solo players pay full price but only get half the game.
Your version of the truth would mean that there is already challenging content in the game, some folks just choose to make it easy by wearing powerful gear. Right? That nonsense aside, group activities are gated by gated by toxic players so it is not an actual choice if one does not have elite gear.
What you're describing is not a Solo player problem, so much as it's a player without peers problem. Solo players simply don't participate in group content because, well.. they're more comfortable playing alone, and thus choose to play solo. Not because other players impede their efforts.
Furthermore, I dunno what you're ranting on about. No group activity is gated behind toxic players. You can do any group activity you like. Toxic players might not let you participate in that content with their group. But nothing is preventing you from putting your own group together, or shopping for groups with players on a similar footing, to engage in said content.
The group dungeons are gated by toxic players.
Toxic players kick other players that do not meet their standards. That is gating.
When advertisement is made in game for a group to form, the group does not belong to anyone. It is PUG.
You're still free to start a group of your own, or find a group of players on a similar footing as yourself. Players can only kick you from a group they created themselves. If the group was filled by the Random Daily activity, it requires a vote-kick of 3 votes. Neither is a form of gatekeeping.
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shadoza✭✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »
Solo players pay full price but only get half the game.
Your version of the truth would mean that there is already challenging content in the game, some folks just choose to make it easy by wearing powerful gear. Right? That nonsense aside, group activities are gated by gated by toxic players so it is not an actual choice if one does not have elite gear.
What you're describing is not a Solo player problem, so much as it's a player without peers problem. Solo players simply don't participate in group content because, well.. they're more comfortable playing alone, and thus choose to play solo. Not because other players impede their efforts.
Furthermore, I dunno what you're ranting on about. No group activity is gated behind toxic players. You can do any group activity you like. Toxic players might not let you participate in that content with their group. But nothing is preventing you from putting your own group together, or shopping for groups with players on a similar footing, to engage in said content.
The group dungeons are gated by toxic players.
Toxic players kick other players that do not meet their standards. That is gating.
When advertisement is made in game for a group to form, the group does not belong to anyone. It is PUG.
You're still free to start a group of your own, or find a group of players on a similar footing as yourself. Players can only kick you from a group they created themselves. If the group was filled by the Random Daily activity, it requires a vote-kick of 3 votes. Neither is a form of gatekeeping.
I disagree. When a player can kick another player or bully them into leaving, it is gated and it is a problem.
You are free to believe as you will.0 -
Hello there,
despite you are a solo player or not, OR you are a PVP player or PVE... all events and golden persuits are aiming at specifics to play or at least encouraging some players to get out of their comfort zone. so if you are hardcore PVE player you rage about the whitestrakes mayham event??? no you don't. either you play it, cause you want the rewards or you dont, cause you dont play pvp.
same here. if you want the rewards, play it. how ever you want. solo dungeons to get it. use random normal dungeon finder and let you carry through or what ever. its not so hard giving up your normal playstile for something like 10 to 15 minutes just to get the tickets or whatever.
BUT you just get ONE reward a day from Bolgrul on one char per account is just ridiculous!!!
Is it, that you can share the quest? (never thought to share that quest and never tried) and get undaunted rewards unlimited or what? also, not getting a reward box if you get the quest the previous day and doing it twice at one day (you cannot do this for the next day right?) is also ridiculous! Its not like you getting apex crown crate rewards in this boxes. so why care about the farming?
also in some events there are reward box limits, like you can only get 50 reward boxes max. why not here? so you do bolgrul 50 times and dont get any more rewards running dungeons. at least its an undaunted quest right, and an undaunted event. so...
also most ridiculous: the supplie chest from the dragon guard!!! uh yeah, you get so rare items in it like dragon rheum. ... but honestly, how often do they drop? in thousands right? and to get to open it you have to do the mainquest i think and the 30 dailyquests for the npc! to get the achievment. but you can only open it once per day per account! why? if i do the quests with another char, why can i not open the chest with this char? cause you getting apex crown crate rewards in it and it would be not okey to get them twice per day or even 19 times for 19 chars. right? honestly, someone who does the effort to get the achievment with 19 chars should be allowed to open the chest with all chars!
OR the other way round. achievments are mainly accountwide now, right? but this one... no, this one is personal. why am i not allowed doing the achievment once and can open the chest with every character i want? once a day per account? does it matter?
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Hello there,
despite you are a solo player or not, OR you are a PVP player or PVE... all events and golden persuits are aiming at specifics to play or at least encouraging some players to get out of their comfort zone. so if you are hardcore PVE player you rage about the whitestrakes mayham event??? no you don't. either you play it, cause you want the rewards or you dont, cause you dont play pvp.
same here. if you want the rewards, play it. how ever you want. solo dungeons to get it. use random normal dungeon finder and let you carry through or what ever. its not so hard giving up your normal playstile for something like 10 to 15 minutes just to get the tickets or whatever.
BUT you just get ONE reward a day from Bolgrul on one char per account is just ridiculous!!!
Is it, that you can share the quest? (never thought to share that quest and never tried) and get undaunted rewards unlimited or what? also, not getting a reward box if you get the quest the previous day and doing it twice at one day (you cannot do this for the next day right?) is also ridiculous! Its not like you getting apex crown crate rewards in this boxes. so why care about the farming?
also in some events there are reward box limits, like you can only get 50 reward boxes max. why not here? so you do bolgrul 50 times and dont get any more rewards running dungeons. at least its an undaunted quest right, and an undaunted event. so...
also most ridiculous: the supplie chest from the dragon guard!!! uh yeah, you get so rare items in it like dragon rheum. ... but honestly, how often do they drop? in thousands right? and to get to open it you have to do the mainquest i think and the 30 dailyquests for the npc! to get the achievment. but you can only open it once per day per account! why? if i do the quests with another char, why can i not open the chest with this char? cause you getting apex crown crate rewards in it and it would be not okey to get them twice per day or even 19 times for 19 chars. right? honestly, someone who does the effort to get the achievment with 19 chars should be allowed to open the chest with all chars!
OR the other way round. achievments are mainly accountwide now, right? but this one... no, this one is personal. why am i not allowed doing the achievment once and can open the chest with every character i want? once a day per account? does it matter?
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Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This event is an insult. It isn't even possible for player to get the simple level 2 reward unless they play group content. I left the game this day without playing. <== my opinion. Why should I pay full price for the game when I am only getting half the game?
Many of the base game group dungeons are easily soloable with a companion! There’s nothing in the requirements of needing to complete any of the objectives with a group (with the possible exception of one of the specific dungeons — I don’t recall which all are listed).0 -
shadoza✭✭✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »This event is an insult. It isn't even possible for player to get the simple level 2 reward unless they play group content. I left the game this day without playing. <== my opinion. Why should I pay full price for the game when I am only getting half the game?
Many of the base game group dungeons are easily soloable with a companion! There’s nothing in the requirements of needing to complete any of the objectives with a group (with the possible exception of one of the specific dungeons — I don’t recall which all are listed).
Soloable by whom? Those that do group dungeon and have the better gear and pots from doing group dungeons? Forgive but I place this in the same bin as 'I can do the whole game naked' claim. I don't believe it. I have not been able to duplicate the claim.0 -
Katheriah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Being able to solo nFG1 has nothing to do with gear and pots from group dungeons. That's doable with crafted gear and food+pots from the login rewards.
Not doing 1 nFG1 per day during this event is a choice. 'Toxic elitists' won't kick you, they won't even notice you because they finish this dungeon before they finish their rotation. And you can just take the tickets and the event box.0 -
shadoza✭✭✭✭Being able to solo nFG1 has nothing to do with gear and pots from group dungeons. That's doable with crafted gear and food+pots from the login rewards.
Not doing 1 nFG1 per day during this event is a choice. 'Toxic elitists' won't kick you, they won't even notice you because they finish this dungeon before they finish their rotation. And you can just take the tickets and the event box.
Okay, they there is no need for more difficult content because wearing elite gear is a choice. Right?
The 'choice' argument is a failed argument because it assumes that a player should play a certain way or deal with consequences while other players are not required to play a way that is not enjoyable to them. That's wrong. I won't argue it further.0 -
exiars10✭✭✭✭@shadoza
Just queue for normal Fungal Grotto.
It is guranteed that at least one group member is going full Rambo mod, and just rush to 1st and the last boss and kill them solo. No need to run, just stand as you'll get automatically pulled to the bosses, and take loot. This is exactly what I do on my full trial tank when I get random FG I.
Nobody cares about anything in normal base game dungeons.
Especially nobody cares in FG I because vast majority farm just that dungeon.
Heck, there are even dedicated groups who just do that using NBs with Shadow skill to completely skip trash.
This is indeed ridiculous. And rewards are mostly meh.FeltyTulip wrote: »BUT you just get ONE reward a day from Bolgrul on one char per account is just ridiculous!!!
Edited by exiars10 on 22 September 2025 08:58Aldmeri Dominion (PC Europe via Steam)
The cowardly Wood Elves are best noted for their unwillingness to engage in a face-to-face attack; a Bosmer will strike at you from every side except the front. You won't cross swords with a Bosmer, but you might catch an arrow in the throat. Be wary in forests and jungles, and watch your back.0 -
Islyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭My opinion is that you shouldn't schedule maintenance during events. >:( I always hated this.Member of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20130 -
exiars10✭✭✭✭
This is why Golden Pursuit started 2 days earlier before Undaunted Event so players have enough days to do it.My opinion is that you shouldn't schedule maintenance during events. >:( I always hated this.
I don't defend ZOS, but this is correct decision as they learned from the previous event(s) like from the last Whitestrake’s Mayhem.
Maintenance is basically every week, no way any event can't avoid it...Aldmeri Dominion (PC Europe via Steam)
The cowardly Wood Elves are best noted for their unwillingness to engage in a face-to-face attack; a Bosmer will strike at you from every side except the front. You won't cross swords with a Bosmer, but you might catch an arrow in the throat. Be wary in forests and jungles, and watch your back.0 -
Katheriah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Being able to solo nFG1 has nothing to do with gear and pots from group dungeons. That's doable with crafted gear and food+pots from the login rewards.
Not doing 1 nFG1 per day during this event is a choice. 'Toxic elitists' won't kick you, they won't even notice you because they finish this dungeon before they finish their rotation. And you can just take the tickets and the event box.
Okay, they there is no need for more difficult content because wearing elite gear is a choice. Right?
The 'choice' argument is a failed argument because it assumes that a player should play a certain way or deal with consequences while other players are not required to play a way that is not enjoyable to them. That's wrong. I won't argue it further.
It's not wrong. You want rewards? You play the content.
Or do you want to login and automatically get rewarded the dungeon event boxes, your event tickets, some materials you would have otherwise farmed and some PvP leaderboard rewards too while we're at it?
With dungeons you literally choose how difficult and/or time consuming it is. Nobody is forcing you to do a Lep Seclusa HM no death for your event rewards. You can literally queue up for nFG1 and be done with it in less than 5 minutes.0 -
shadoza✭✭✭✭Being able to solo nFG1 has nothing to do with gear and pots from group dungeons. That's doable with crafted gear and food+pots from the login rewards.
Not doing 1 nFG1 per day during this event is a choice. 'Toxic elitists' won't kick you, they won't even notice you because they finish this dungeon before they finish their rotation. And you can just take the tickets and the event box.
Okay, they there is no need for more difficult content because wearing elite gear is a choice. Right?
The 'choice' argument is a failed argument because it assumes that a player should play a certain way or deal with consequences while other players are not required to play a way that is not enjoyable to them. That's wrong. I won't argue it further.
It's not wrong. You want rewards? You play the content.
Or do you want to login and automatically get rewarded the dungeon event boxes, your event tickets, some materials you would have otherwise farmed and some PvP leaderboard rewards too while we're at it?
With dungeons you literally choose how difficult and/or time consuming it is. Nobody is forcing you to do a Lep Seclusa HM no death for your event rewards. You can literally queue up for nFG1 and be done with it in less than 5 minutes.
"Okay, they there is no need for more difficult content because wearing elite gear is a choice. Right?
The 'choice' argument is a failed argument because it assumes that a player should play a certain way or deal with consequences while other players are not required to play a way that is not enjoyable to them. That's wrong. I won't argue it further."0 -
mdjessup4906✭✭✭✭Anyone can do normal dungeons. And I mean anyone. I avoided them far too long myself for fear of letting group down but its misplaced fr.
No gear? Craft the below. Many will do it for free if your new or poor.
Dps: Orders wrath+anything damage related + druid head and shoulders just to fill the spot. All stam/mag, all divines trait, 5 medium 1 light, 1 heavy to level.
Healer same as dps, just go all magic and use resto staff and healing skills.
Tank: 5 pc heavy armor, sword and shield front, ice staff back, in any sets thst looks useful to a group, or just pure survival if your really unsure. All health enchant, reinforced big pieces, divines small ones. Use food and attributes to give yourself 30-40k health.
In q your likely to get a burn group anyway so enjoy the carry and free loot. But being at least thet much geared will let 4 inexperienced players complete without too much trouble.Edited by mdjessup4906 on 22 September 2025 18:550 -
shadoza✭✭✭✭mdjessup4906 wrote: »Anyone can do normal dungeons. And I mean anyone. I avoided them far too long myself for fear of letting group down but its misplaced fr.
No gear? Craft the below. Many will do it for free if your new or poor.
Dps: Orders wrath+anything damage related + druid head and shoulders just to fill the spot. All stam/mag, all divines trait, 5 medium 1 light, 1 heavy to level.
Healer same as dps, just go all magic and use resto staff and healing skills.
Tank: 5 pc heavy armor, sword and shield front, ice staff back, in any sets thst looks useful to a group, or just pure survival if your really unsure. All health enchant, reinforced big pieces, divines small ones. Use food and attributes to give yourself 30-40k health.
In q your likely to get a burn group anyway so enjoy the carry and free loot. But being at least thet much geared will let 4 inexperienced players complete without too much trouble.
Anyone can do a normal dungeon but here is the gear, the DPS, Healer, Tank needs and you can use elite pots to double or triple your stats. Just take the ride, let the group carry you, they'll kick you but that won't matter?
This is all so much non-sense. Stop with the excuses.0