Skull Crusher AD you win

joshisanonymous · May 2014

Phoenix99 wrote: »

It's enough to get points at least and have occasional small engagements a group of 6 high ranked people can take keeps and resources by themselves and can also gank smaller enemy groups. I've done that myself. If you can't fight the enemy head on, do it in other ways. Sure it will not give back the map control, but at least it can be fun to use this hit&run tactics.

I agree, it can be fun to just run around being an annoyance, However, even being an annoyance feels difficult for EP, at least during off hours (I've not really caught the on hours, but I've been told there are times when we have up to 5 groups+ on). Usually, it's about 4 people, at least 2 of which are in Cyrodiil for the first time. We try to take a resource on Farragut on King's Crest because they're closest. It takes forever and we get wiped either before finishing or immediately after finishing. Then everyone leaves for PvE or guesting. I've even tried to convince people to at least take more distant resources, and to not try to keep take all the resources on a keep, but it doesn't work. They want to take over all of Farragut with a level 12, a 40, and two VR1s.

Still, I'd prefer to not have things handed to us. If we're not able to take things with competition, then we'll obviously lose them immediately afterward anyway. Case in point: we apparently were given two keeps yesterday and we lost them both without much of an effort by 12:30 CST.

Dleatherus · May 2014

Also, it's not skill that's the issue. I'll prove that to you this week during our skirmish.

The only AD worth a damn on your side are rhaeyns and grasshipper lol. The rest of you are dog ***.

appreciate your enthusiasm, if not the way you express it

we're looking forward to skirmish

as an FYI, MOST of our players don't even visit Skull Crusher, but rather guest daily in Wabbajack where we fight as the underdogs a lot of the time:

The other issue is no ebonheart wants to leave wabbajack. It's actually fun and fair there.

usually when we fight there the picture is something like this - though the bars can flip during the day so the numbers in each alliance are constantly shifting, as is the balance of power

D.

joshisanonymous · May 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

as an FYI, MOST of our players don't even visit Skull Crusher, but rather guest daily in Wabbajack where we fight as the underdogs a lot of the time:

Yup, figured. SC is just maintained as a buff for the AD who are there, it seems. Swing in long enough to make sure the buff isn't even slightly challenged, then go play on your real campaign.

ralonasan · May 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

Also, it's not skill that's the issue. I'll prove that to you this week during our skirmish.

The only AD worth a damn on your side are rhaeyns and grasshipper lol. The rest of you are dog ***.

appreciate your enthusiasm, if not the way you express it

we're looking forward to skirmish

as an FYI, MOST of our players don't even visit Skull Crusher, but rather guest daily in Wabbajack where we fight as the underdogs a lot of the time:

The other issue is no ebonheart wants to leave wabbajack. It's actually fun and fair there.

usually when we fight there the picture is something like this - though the bars can flip during the day so the numbers in each alliance are constantly shifting, as is the balance of power

D.

It was only in response to what's his balls questioning our skill....

Look at the keep distribution though, AD and DC work together to push EP back when they are outnumbered. EP never has the whole map anymore. During primetime it's locked for all 3 factions.

ralonasan · May 2014

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

as an FYI, MOST of our players don't even visit Skull Crusher, but rather guest daily in Wabbajack where we fight as the underdogs a lot of the time:

Yup, figured. SC is just maintained as a buff for the AD who are there, it seems. Swing in long enough to make sure the buff isn't even slightly challenged, then go play on your real campaign.

Exactly. 10% crit and 5% to everything else at all times must be nice.

Dleatherus · May 2014

@joshisanonymous‌

not quite sure why every post you make here is antagonistic towards the noore -
i would suggest that you read this thread here:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/74182/skull-crusher-needs-you-ad-ep#latest

it has 123 comments in it and is a Skull Crusher thread from a whiles ago

in it you will be able to understand when the noore came to SC, that the map was TOTALLY blue every day, day after day, that we would fight for HOURS just to take Black Boot, only to see it lost 20 minutes later, that DC not only gate camped, but actually camped in stealth in a semi circle around the safe area we jump off right at our own home gate

what you won't see is us whining or complaining

along with other AD players in zone (since we do NOT claim to be 'THE' AD in Skull Crusher,though we are a significant factor) we fought hard to wrestle this campaign from enemy alliance control - the only imbalance is that not all of the enemy alliance members had the same determination, and as a result many left for easier kills elsewhere

we helped make Skull crusher our home - it's part of what AvAvA is about - i have suggested both here, and in several other threads, what players and ZOS might look at doing in order to improve pvp under the current situation

it would be very easy for us to simply take the attitude of 'you want it? - fight for it and take it like we did!'
however many of us recognize that the imbalance isn't caused by other members in the player community, rather by the campaign mechanics set in place that we have to deal with, and are trying to find ways to make it fun such as the upcoming skirmish night which has quite a lot of folks interested in participating in

you can read about a suggestion i made that could address this issue NOW here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/96022/suggestion-a-fresh-idea-on-how-to-fix-campaign-balancing-now#latest

i am looking forward to seeing a constructive post from you with suggestions as well, instead of the constant toxic trolling and sniping

ty

D.

p.s. i have yet to see a sports team that has lots of trophies look at another team and say'hey, you haven't won a superbowl/world series/olympic medal etc - here - i'll let you win so you can take one

i DO see a lot of determined competitive folks year after year try and achieve it

i DO know most of those competing would be absolutely disgusted at having it handed to them

newsflash - AvAvA is a competitive, if not always balanced, environment

Kevaliji · May 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

in it you will be able to understand when the noore came to SC, that the map was TOTALLY blue every day, day after day, that we would fight for HOURS just to take Black Boot, only to see it lost 20 minutes later, that DC not only gate camped, but actually camped in stealth in a semi circle around the safe area we jump off right at our own home gate
.

I was excited to see some activity on the AD side. I lost all excitement once i realized how easy DC got demoralized and left the campaign.

We will return, in due time.

-Raad gro-Malakh

Dleatherus · May 2014

Kevaliji wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

in it you will be able to understand when the noore came to SC, that the map was TOTALLY blue every day, day after day, that we would fight for HOURS just to take Black Boot, only to see it lost 20 minutes later, that DC not only gate camped, but actually camped in stealth in a semi circle around the safe area we jump off right at our own home gate
.

I was excited to see some activity on the AD side. I lost all excitement once i realized how easy DC got demoralized and left the campaign.

We will return, in due time.

-Raad gro-Malakh

yes - ironically we came in response to the thread titled "Skull Crusher Needs YOU (AD/EP)" started by a DC player on April 9th

hopefully we will see you back -

D.

ralonasan · May 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

@joshisanonymous‌

not quite sure why every post you make here is antagonistic towards the noore -
i would suggest that you read this thread here:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/74182/skull-crusher-needs-you-ad-ep#latest

it has 123 comments in it and is a Skull Crusher thread from a whiles ago

in it you will be able to understand when the noore came to SC, that the map was TOTALLY blue every day, day after day, that we would fight for HOURS just to take Black Boot, only to see it lost 20 minutes later, that DC not only gate camped, but actually camped in stealth in a semi circle around the safe area we jump off right at our own home gate

what you won't see is us whining or complaining

along with other AD players in zone (since we do NOT claim to be 'THE' AD in Skull Crusher,though we are a significant factor) we fought hard to wrestle this campaign from enemy alliance control - the only imbalance is that not all of the enemy alliance members had the same determination, and as a result many left for easier kills elsewhere

we helped make Skull crusher our home - it's part of what AvAvA is about - i have suggested both here, and in several other threads, what players and ZOS might look at doing in order to improve pvp under the current situation

it would be very easy for us to simply take the attitude of 'you want it? - fight for it and take it like we did!'
however many of us recognize that the imbalance isn't caused by other members in the player community, rather by the campaign mechanics set in place that we have to deal with
you can read about a suggestion i made that could address this issue NOW here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/96022/suggestion-a-fresh-idea-on-how-to-fix-campaign-balancing-now#latest

i am looking forward to seeing a constructive post from you with suggestions as well, instead of the constant toxic trolling and sniping

ty

D.

p.s. i have yet to see a sports team that has lots of trophies look at another team and say'hey, you haven't won a superbowl/world series/olympic medal etc - here - i'll let you win so you can take one

i DO see a lot of determined competitive folks year after year try and achieve it

i DO know most of those competing would be absolutely disgusted at having it handed to them

newsflash - AvAvA is a competitive, if not always balanced, environment

One gripe with this. AD took the map after EP pushed DC off emp and took the 6 center keeps. Give credit where credit is due, dont make it sound like you did it all on your own

. We were all camped outside our way shrine for hours on end...

Also lol UDL.

But I do agree with everything else.

Love,

FLEX buff chest, aka funky fresh, aka D's baby daddy aka Ralo_Nasan

VedrelTemprest · May 2014

Greetings all, I'm a member of The Crimson Order and run around Cyrodiil frequently with Nasan and Cheapshot along with our a core group of PvPers. I recognize a lot of these names as people I've fought, killed, and probably more often been killed by. And it's been a ton of fun.

There have been some really memorable scenarios already. For me, and a lot of people, they are usually they are when the population is more balanced than it's been. Constantly hitting a wall of enemies that out number you 2x-4x, then getting steamrolled by them to lose any progress you've worked hard to accomplish is disheartening. For many, it's enough to pack up and leave the campaign in hopes of finding more balanced and greener pastures. That kind of thinking further exacerbates the problem, and we find ourselves (EP Alliance, and quite possibly DC) fielding less and less numbers in Skullcrushers.

Players are not at fault here - you can't blame people for the way the game mechanics have been set up, and their desire to win in game. Issues of population imbalance, the winning side getting considerable buffs, how easy it is to jump ship and change campaigns (biggest problem IMO) are all developer related issues that are killing PvP in the majority of the servers. It's the developer's responsibility to address these problems, and hopefully, before the campaign is over in the next 45 days or whatever.

Until then, we'll probably keep banging our heads against the metaphorical wall, and be guesting more and more in balanced campaigns until something's fixed because PvP in that way isn't very enjoyable. If any Daggerfall guilds are interested, send me a private message on the forums or game, perhaps we can coordinate a temporary joint effort - the enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of thing. I'm a nice dude and like chatting.

@VedrelTemprest‌

Phoenix99 · May 2014

I think people forget that DC was able to paint the map blue again like 2 weeks ago (and then D. was able to reclaim emp for AD once the peak hours finished). I think that since then the DC has lost the remains of the vigor, same as to what is happening in AB, where off peak hours AD is claiming map each day.

I was there when we started to push back the AD those 2 Saturdays ago, and recall the beginning to be challenging (and btw that Thorker guy suck hard. even my RP oriented build was able to beat him - Orc HA, 2H/Bow, no super sets or enchants, more stamina oriented). However, when i logged on on the next day the map was Yellow again, and hardly any group wanting to do anything about it. I admit that since then I lost much interest in the game itself and I spend more time in other PvP competitive level games. (something that no MMO can provide)

joshisanonymous · May 2014

@Dleatherus‌

I think you're confusing my posts with someone else's. The last time I responded ot one of your posts I "applauded" you and said you were making me more interested in staying on Skull Crusher. Not sure why you think that everything I post is "toxic trolling and sniping." Besides, if I was trolling you, wouldn't that be appropriate? We're enemies.

My issue is not at all with The Noore, it's not even with AD specifically, it's mostly with the guesting system. It creates a situation where a large guild, for instance yours, can decide to maintain a map but not actually play there. I don't care if you have every keep, but it's frustrating when members of AD only show up in large groups to quickly reclaim absolutely everything before running back to whatever campaign they guest on. It means that I will almost never find small groups of players to fight (because we sure don't have the numbers yet to have large fights) yet I also can't take control of even resources.

I can see why you might get the impression that I'm directing things solely at you, but that's probably just a result of you being the most visible and vocal member of AD here. However, I don't see how you can suggest that I'm whining and complaining and nothing more.

My suggestion would be that guesting be limited until populations increase all around, but that's not likely to happen. Anything short of that means that people will just continue to abuse the guesting system (or to use it, maybe ZoS intended for all but 2-3 campaigns to be empty during all but 2 hours a day).

Edit: BTW, yes I do remember when the map was blue. The DC responsible for that maybe left because they realized they'd no longer keep the buffs with enough AD present to put up a challenge. There's a lot of incentive right now for people to simply make their home campaigns whatever campaign their alliance owns 24/7.

Dleatherus · May 2014

@VedrelTemprest‌

awesome post that is spot on - ty

D.

Dleatherus · May 2014

@joshisanonymous‌

my impression is from you directly quoting me and the tone of the reply to them - all's good and explanation appreciated

if you're not already in it, could be you want to join in the skirmish night being organized for wed/thu nite?

D.

joshisanonymous · May 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

my impression is from you directly quoting me and the tone of the reply to them - all's good and explanation appreciated

if you're not already in it, could be you want to join in the skirmish night being organized for wed/thu nite?

D.

Despite playing only one character since the 5-day early access, I'm still just short of VR1 due to school/life/etc. Leveling is still more of a priority for me at the moment so I doubt I'd be competitive in an organized skirmish. (This is maybe why I'm more optimistic about numbers balancing out than many, as well. I imagine others who plan on focusing mostly on PvP are in the same boat.)

I like the idea, though.

ralonasan · May 2014

new thread http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/96445/dc-and-ep-we-need-you-na-skull-crusher#latest

ralonasan · May 2014

let this nonsense thread die and let's be more constructive

Dleatherus · May 2014

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

my impression is from you directly quoting me and the tone of the reply to them - all's good and explanation appreciated

if you're not already in it, could be you want to join in the skirmish night being organized for wed/thu nite?

D.

Despite playing only one character since the 5-day early access, I'm still just short of VR1 due to school/life/etc. Leveling is still more of a priority for me at the moment so I doubt I'd be competitive in an organized skirmish. (This is maybe why I'm more optimistic about numbers balancing out than many, as well. I imagine others who plan on focusing mostly on PvP are in the same boat.)

I like the idea, though.

it's too short notice for us to set things up atm since all this started as was a simple single 5v5 'grudge' match

if wed/thu nite is successful and fun for all involved, i can see trying to organize something in brackets where teams (size would depend upon numbers showing up) could be organized according to level:

under level 50
VR1-VR3
VR4-VR6
VR7-VR9
VR10

will just have to see how it goes and if there are enough folks interested to put in the effort to arrange something more organized

D.

CMz · May 2014

Cheapshot wrote: »

I'll 1v1 you anyday to make my point just to put you in your place

Disappointing amount of tweaked-ego chest-pounding and "meet me behind the bathroom" forum noise, but very little talking about what makes the foundation of a great guild in any alliance. Set aside for one moment personal views on play-style - it is hard not to notice that a guild like the Noore which started organizing well over a year before release, built a player-centered vision of what a great guild could be, began recruiting, created and maintained a web presence, started soc media pages, planed both PvE & PvP events and socialized like crazy can do to succeed in all phases of the game with an emphasis on fun and member focus. The effort the Noore founders put into creating their guild would have been successful in any alliance and i suspect they would prove very successful on any map. Dis Dleathrus all you want but until you can do better in organizing, recruiting and leading an organization you are just noise.

I've encountered some pretty powered builds doing PvE w my <15 in Cyrodiil {a nasty vamp named Bobbie comes immediately to mind] and i can't wait to see the vids from this event but "putting [someone] in their place" in 1v1 does not address what makes successful AvAvA play and speaks zero to the quality of any guild - i would rather hear about successful team based tactics & strategies, how to counter zergs, etc that really prove something about a guild's leadership, preparation, team quality and effectiveness than more noise. Hopefully our EP and EC alliances will have some mature leadership step up and start balancing the maps - along with some much needed condensing by Zeni..

Dleatherus · May 2014

CMz wrote: »

Cheapshot wrote: »

I'll 1v1 you anyday to make my point just to put you in your place

Disappointing amount of tweaked-ego chest-pounding and "meet me behind the bathroom" forum noise, but very little talking about what makes the foundation of a great guild in any alliance. Set aside for one moment personal views on play-style - it is hard not to notice that a guild like the Noore which started organizing well over a year before release, built a player-centered vision of what a great guild could be, began recruiting, created and maintained a web presence, started soc media pages, planed both PvE & PvP events and socialized like crazy can do to succeed in all phases of the game with an emphasis on fun and member focus. The effort the Noore founders put into creating their guild would have been successful in any alliance and i suspect they would prove very successful on any map. Dis Dleathrus all you want but until you can do better in organizing, recruiting and leading an organization you are just noise.

I've encountered some pretty powered builds doing PvE w my <15 in Cyrodiil {a nasty vamp named Bobbie comes immediately to mind] and i can't wait to see the vids from this event but "putting [someone] in their place" in 1v1 does not address what makes successful AvAvA play and speaks zero to the quality of any guild - i would rather hear about successful team based tactics & strategies, how to counter zergs, etc that really prove something about a guild's leadership, preparation, team quality and effectiveness than more noise. Hopefully our EP and EC alliances will have some mature leadership step up and start balancing the maps - along with some much needed condensing by Zeni..

My name is Dleatherus and I approve of this message

D.