Skull Crusher AD you win

Cheapshot

With the population imbalance and the zerg 3 to 1 ratio you have officially beat us into submission. We are now just guesting else where till its fixed but until then enjoy the empty server.

Cheapshot

Dleatherus

Cheapshot wrote: »

With the population imbalance and the zerg 3 to 1 ratio you have officially beat us into submission. We are now just guesting else where till its fixed but until then enjoy the empty server.

Cheapshot

much appreciated - when we came here WE were outnumbered 3:1 and enjoyed the challenge of facing an all blue map each and every morning

that said thank you for trying and persevering - hopefully all of the campaigns balance out in the days and weeks to come

D.

ralonasan

You faced no such ratio D. You came here after UDL and the rest of DC got murdered by us. All that was left after that weekend was a bunch of plebes and The Crimson Order.

Don't take credit for something you had no part of.

Cheapshot

We wreck you guys equal numbers maybe next campaign

Dleatherus

@ralonasan‌

perhaps read the other skull crusher threads to familiarize yourself before making ridiculously false statements

ty

D.

p.s. and out of curiosity who is 'us'?

Chryos

Thats silly talk, we almost win everynight.

Seriously: people should spread out and try for a little challenge, Everyone is all crammed up on a couple of campaigns, s p r e a d o u t.

I "think" The Society of Shadows will be staying on Skullcrusher but I gotta check on that. Your solution is to unguild from your disorganized pvp guild, buy a headset and download TS, and come join our guild and we will issue you a golden paddle from whence you can deal mass spankings with.

Just a suggestion and an offer. We dont do zerg rushes, we use small unit tactics and are pretty well organized in movement and combat.

You must be able to pay attention and follow directions, work as a team, and not run off trying to be a hero, Hero.

(I'm not slamming anyones pvp guild by any means, i'm jus' sayin...ya' know?)

Grim13

There are still 50+ days left!?

Talk about being quitters!

Rykoth

I ain't leaving unless populations continue to be a problem when the next campaign starts.

The problem isn't AD, so much as the lack of DC holding what they gain. (or AD sieging us when we're asleep which means no fight :P)

When DC fights - like tonight- we get epic moments. Like my brief dueling of the Emperor at Fort Glademist. Of course, being hit by an Emperor's body guard doesn't help my chances >.>

Dleatherus

Rykoth wrote: »

I ain't leaving unless populations continue to be a problem when the next campaign starts.

The problem isn't AD, so much as the lack of DC holding what they gain. (or AD sieging us when we're asleep which means no fight :P)

When DC fights - like tonight- we get epic moments. Like my brief dueling of the Emperor at Fort Glademist. Of course, being hit by an Emperor's body guard doesn't help my chances >.>

was good fun Rykoth - we heard that 2 smurf guilds guested in

D.

Chryos

I guess Im maxed out on whatever campaign reward I will get. Think we will get a fancy gold item? That wishful thinking? Maybe gold for the winner, purple for the losers? If I have been enduring ass whoopins for that long I hope its something good lol

But yeah, why quit?, this is at the very least good training. Not gonna be any easier anywhere else i wouldnt imagine, but then again, i havent been anywhere else.

Cheapshot

RIP server we finally get 100 people you bring 300+.

/done qq

Chryos

A huge issue it seems is time zone. Maybe ZOE should be doing some kind of sorting system, so it wont be different allliances on completely opposite sleep schedules. I guess they would have figured that out and hence im sure they are working on a solution.

UglyTriangle

Cheapshot wrote: »

RIP server we finally get 100 people you bring 300+.

/done qq

It was bound to happen after a big stink was made about the supposedly "enormous" population imbalance that favored the Covenant. I never saw the mythical zerg train ever since I joined the campaign during launch week. Really it seemed more an issue of time zone as Chryos mentioned, given how the map would change over the course of the day.

Perhaps a few PVP-oriented guilds DC side will guest on the Skull Crusher campaign, as several of the folks who led coordinated groups haven't been as active or switched campaigns for faster points farming. Your best bet is to find a guild that PVPs as a group.

Np7ExR6

EP in general is nothing but trash no help from anyone tired of EP (may switch to DC alliance)

Cheapshot

RIP skull crusher probably going to lose a few customers since you can't manage to balance out populations

Feidam

Cheapshot wrote: »

RIP skull crusher probably going to lose a few customers since you can't manage to balance out populations

The population imbalances are the player bases' fault not ZOS. Everyone has crammed into select campaigns for various reasons instead of branching out.

Cheapshot

@Feidam Are you joking? It is there fault when you can have 300 v 10 v 50 their should always be a balance cap to keep populations at all hours even. maybe lopsided pvp is your thing but I prefer skill based.

Avidus

The current problem is entirely player fault.
Every time I jump into SC I find it hard to join a group of more than 5 people. (EP)
And AD have the map completely dominated, its lucky if we hold a fort for a couple of hours.

The problem is that players are not looking for a challenge or equal PvP, so you will get hordes of AD join SC because its easy.
And everybody in EP bails because its too hard.
So you end up with a massive population difference.

Honestly it sucks, it sucks so much. But the only thing that will balance this out is a campaign reset. The first campaign season was going to go like this, no doubt about it. Because there are not enough players levelled and geared and willing to devote themselves to it.

Next season of the campaign I am hoping to see a much larger amount of participation and more equal populations.

Feidam

Cheapshot wrote: »

@Feidam Are you joking? It is there fault when you can have 300 v 10 v 50 their should always be a balance cap to keep populations at all hours even. maybe lopsided pvp is your thing but I prefer skill based.

Not at all. The players are the one stacking into select campaigns trying to maintain areas where their faction reigns supreme. There are things ZOS should do to correct the issue IMO. However, the issue is the fault of the players.

Bergs

Buffs for outnumbered factions. Increase HP/Magicka/Stam as well as AP earned.

Tabkey

Being in the AD, and having SC as my home campaign(mostly because the AJSA voted on it back in pre-launch, and no I'm not one of those shmucks constantly trying to start drama in zone chat :P), I was around when DC was dominating the map. It was fun, albeit tiresome to have gained some ground, only to have it taken back in a few hours. I almost feel pity for the other two factions, because if I want to have an actual war, I need to guest on over to either Auriel's Bow or Wabbajack.

What ZOS needs to do, at least IMHO, is to set up the population thinger to only allow 'X' people from 'X' faction in when its stupidly unbalanced.

Example being: Lowest pop currently in would be, say, Ebonheart, at 100 people, only 100 DC and 100 AD would be allowed in, and would only increase as the numbers continued to rise.

Unfortunately, in it's current state, when people are being planted into the ground, they will go elsewhere, effectively letting what they were fighting for just rot. I honestly relish the day when I have to stay on my toes again, and actually have a reason to jump into PvP on a whim, rather than constantly look at the map and go "Yay.. we have everything still.. "

I am looking forward to the point reset at the end of the campaign, for sure. Herandros out!

limeli8

I just don't understand some people. 50vs300 = 50 will get more points and will have more fun! Its why All high ranking pvpers are rolling in small/medium groups or even solo. Best thing to do is to home a campaign that is dominated by your faction (for bonuses) and just keep jumping to ones that have a ton of enemy so you can zergstomp and make crazy amounts of points and have fun. How can it be fun to run in a huge mass of people get barely any chances to even attack an enemy player and get almost no points? Being the underdog is the best!

Dleatherus

Cheapshot wrote: »

@Feidam Are you joking? It is there fault when you can have 300 v 10 v 50 their should always be a balance cap to keep populations at all hours even. maybe lopsided pvp is your thing but I prefer skill based.

ESO-math at it's finest

D.

Cheapshot

@Dleatherus (aka worst emperor so far bring back luvboard)

With all due respect are you actually going to deny your faction outnumbers us at any given time? If you are I'd be happy to provided you with video showing your numbers. Pug groups have stopped even forming only guild run raids were keeping this server alive and those are now going to fade as well.

gameswithaspoon

For the record, I lead the defenders of Brindle on Saturday night and we were out numbered by the smurf contingent. Also, they had a far higher ratio of VR players than mine. Tactical mistakes and an inability to commit to actually laying siege to the keep lead to the DC defeat, not numbers.

bobbyx

I dont like seeing people whining on skullcrusher. It is our fault (DC) that we are not winning. Most of the time AD is only a small group. maybe 5-10 that is able to take back everything. There group is just organized. I see people all day on the DC side talking in chat about if anyone is on or going to get a group together, then no one does.

If there is a group put together after we die once eeryone quits. There is rarely any coordination. When we do have coordination which iv only been in a couple groups that did, we were able to hold AD off for along time. But once again people start leaving and our group gets weaker. Happens everytime. We just need to band together and get a good group going that is interested in maybe getting on ventrillo or mumble, whatever you use. and fighting back.

casselna_ESO

bobbyx wrote: »

I dont like seeing people whining on skullcrusher. It is our fault (DC) that we are not winning. Most of the time AD is only a small group. maybe 5-10 that is able to take back everything. There group is just organized. I see people all day on the DC side talking in chat about if anyone is on or going to get a group together, then no one does.

If there is a group put together after we die once eeryone quits. There is rarely any coordination. When we do have coordination which iv only been in a couple groups that did, we were able to hold AD off for along time. But once again people start leaving and our group gets weaker. Happens everytime. We just need to band together and get a good group going that is interested in maybe getting on ventrillo or mumble, whatever you use. and fighting back.

While on the evening this was made, AD presence was zerg type numbers able to defend and precisely defend multiple keeps while a zerg of AD swept across the land, this usually isn't the case for AD.

You see...mainly, AD does not have a presence (or much of one) during prime time EP/DC times and we will push from both sides and de-throne us an emporer, take back scrolls and raise the wookie war-cry!

On this special evening, AD was in full zerg form and it wasn't for lack of trying, but DC hosted this throwing in the towel, but EP heartily agreed. But even if that were not the case, even if DC and EP had a momumental push the exasperation comes in when you work so hard the night before only to wake up and see that the oceanic guilds have reclaimed all when noone was around.

That is the most defeating aspect of the whole *war* in cyrodiil for Skullcrusher. And yes, I do sympathize that they need a campaign in which to do things, but in all seriousness, if just is a huge ego deflator to know that all your work is invalid the moment 1am rolls around and the oceanic guilds take everything, contest free. It almost feels as if: "Why bother?"

That is what is wrong with PvP.

joshisanonymous

Bergs wrote: »

Buffs for outnumbered factions. Increase HP/Magicka/Stam as well as AP earned.

The former is being implemented as per the reddit AMA (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) and the latter is already the case.

I'm at least not going anywhere (EP). Hell, I haven't even hit VR1 yet, and I imagine quite a few others who plan on PvPing heavily have not reached VR1 yet either. I feel like the people complaining about population imbalances maybe rushed through the game too quick and now are frustrated that everyone else didn't rush through it as well. If you're still able to make statements like:

odd111out wrote: »

Also, they had a far higher ratio of VR players than mine.

Then you know it's still too close to launch to be concerned with population balance. Cyrodiil will ultimately be only VR12s. When that's what you see everywhere, then it will be meaningful to complain about being 10 vs 100, but I doubt you'll see those numbers.

And really, you can't limit one alliance by the population of another. If there are 5 EP in Cyrodiil, are you really only going to allow 10 DC to play in their home campaign? That'd be ridiculous. Or if you make it 1:10, they could still have 50 playing... but then you haven't done anything to affect population balance. IMO, this mechanic would be terrible.

buttclown69

I enjoy getting on around 6 PM EST and seeing both factions pushing. It makes it fun to play battling over resources, defending keeps, retaking keeps, etc. I joined SC when DC had the majority of the map and pvp'ed for about 15 mins, was only level 15 then, and said I wasn't coming back until I was higher ranked. Now Vet 2 and it sucks that although I see that action at that time there isn't more resistance at other times.

Some of the changes suggested though I just don't see plausible. I don't think limiting players allowed on a server is fair to anyone. I think the better idea is to offer better rewards for the underdogs outside of a point boost in the alliance war tab.

I know I speak for a lot of people I play with, we hope to see more EP and DC players on more often because the few hours that there is action is awesome. Hopefully they can find a way to make it balanced without restricting access.

gameswithaspoon

@joshisanonymous :

Ah.... I was answering someone who incorrectly stated how many were defending that half of the AD map on that particular night. How could I complain about defeating a smurf force that had both numerical superiority and a higher population % of VR players?

pad11

This morning was a great example of finding ways to enjoy the PvP w/out HUGE numbers as well...a few (four-ish) of us had an epic 4v4 or 4v3 battle w/ the same three DC combatants...for me it was about an hour and half of great back and forth...died often, kept coming back...we all did...for two of the players i was with they were at it with the same peeps for like 4 hours! I mean, that's mutual respect in my mind...just kept going after each other...finding the weakness, or having yours exposed...it...was...awesome....and w/out talking to each other, we all knew -- both sides -- that this was just a great battle..7 or 8 players just going at it around the DC gates...good stuff. I love SC...won't ever leave it

Emma!