Skull Crusher AD you win

MatriarcheX

I think people are talking about large scale sieging and defending, having a chance for all factions to have an Emperor (other than AD) and hold it for more than 12 hours. I won't even get into the scrolls. I can't remember the last time EP actually had scrolls the past 2 weeks. That's rarely happening in SC nowadays. Personally I enjoy the large scale strategy and pvp.

Weekdays it's dead usually (except couple days and the Saturday nights when the pvp centric guilds organize for a push) other than that mostly small 3-4 group RP guilds running the map. Not really doing anything worthwhile, maybe take a resource or two before they get stomped by a large AD zerg.

gameswithaspoon

EP was out to play last night, for sure, and got two Emperor Keeps before we slowly pushed them back. Hours of siege fun for all. They were very organized and fought well, but there's always I think a small advantage to the defenders. Monday night they actually stole the scroll at Bloodmayne although we slaughtered them at the keep gates. So there is weekday action on SC.

joshisanonymous

odd111out wrote: »

Ah.... I was answering someone who incorrectly stated how many were defending that half of the AD map on that particular night. How could I complain about defeating a smurf force that had both numerical superiority and a higher population % of VR players?

You missed my point. I was simply saying that if you can say the phrase, "They had a higher percentage of VR players," then it's too early in the game's history to be complaining about population imbalances. In other words, if everyone in Cyrodiil isn't a high VR level already, then most likely the majority of players in the game are still leveling (aka not focusing on PvP).

ChairGraveyard

Cheapshot wrote: »

With the population imbalance and the zerg 3 to 1 ratio you have officially beat us into submission. We are now just guesting else where till its fixed but until then enjoy the empty server.

Cheapshot

It's not fun for us either (well, at least not from my perspective as an occasional PvP player).

That said it seems like every night around midnight PST the server gets taken over by Pact or Covenant, before it's reclaimed by morning by AD.

Personally I guest on Wabbajack when I want real PvP, and just do PvE stuff in Skullcrusher.

Dleatherus

it's not on the players in my opinion, rather the fact that they (ZOS) probably anticipated far more people getting into pvp and filling up the campaigns, and adding more as demand grew

the opposite happened with me guessing that there might be enough folks in campaigns at the moment to fill 3-5 campaigns

one solution that i favor would be to say 'hey, we goofed - here's what we're going to do = we're going to reset all the campaigns, cut the number of them down to 4 and add more as needed - we're giving everybody end of campaign rewards the same as if the campaigns had run the full 90 days'

in reality this can't take place because of all the outcry from folks who have invested time and effort in campaigns that would be reset/cut - i think it would be better for the community as a whole, and though some individuals would get shafted (i'm currently an emperor so this would effect me as much as the next person) i'd support it 100%

the situation is so bad that we (the noore) have been casually discussing for several days now whether we should just leave skull crusher and move once again to another campaign where AD are the underdogs - will let you know by the end of the weekend after we discuss it in depth on our own forums

whatever our decision, it's great fighting against those we have come to know and recognize on the field in cyrodiil

D.

Dazansus

I have to agree, it is very discouraging that less and less DC and EP have been coming onto Skull Crusher the last few weeks..

Just today we managed to rally close to 16 DC (Half of which were levels 25-45), only to get swept up by Thorker (Does that guy ever log off? It seems hes on every waking hour of the day!), and his crew of VR's. Thorker and his two VR's held 16 of us for nearly an hour, only for them to get reinforced by about 20 more AD. What started as a small incursion turned into the nightly extermination of DC players hiding in stealth, between Alma Ruma Gate and Northern High Rock.

With so many cowardly DC jumping ship, we barely have enough people to sing songs around a camp fire anymore. Although I did, for some strange reason, manage to see 3 EP players, which to be honest, I completely forgot were in the game. They were ganking us as we were trying to take a keep yesterday. Seemed so out of place to see a red player in the game.

Oh, and to anyone who denies that AD out numbers DC and EP combined (in an average night, I'm not talking about these random friday nights where all 3 factions have Guest surges), you're just being an argumentative boob. I don't care to hear how it "used" to be.. I was there, I remember, DC had a huge population and out numbered the other two factions for approximately 8 days before we were over thrown, and ever since then, which has been about what.. 3 weeks now? We've been stumped.

Bottom line, we need more damn people willing to stick it out with us! It's getting stale and boring to constantly be out numbered. Best we can do in a night now, is maybe take Rayles and Warden just to get stopped by twice our pop at Glade, while AD simultaneously pushes back EP.

Dleatherus

^^^ agreed

D.

kevinride1ub17_ESO

That was some fun pvp today. Holding a resource with only 3 guys against so many was incredible. My best moment of the day was at the gate of Ni-Mohk. Two level 30's came walking out on there horses very slowly while me and my small group waited in stealth for them to get close. I told my party to not attack there only level 30. I came out of stealth in front of them and we just looked at each other for what seemed like an eternity in pvp time. I was thinking this is interesting they are just questing and looking for safe passage and then bam, about 10 players came out of stealth and wiped out me and my party. Well played DC. Its these kind of encounters that make our server fun.

manny254

Dazansus wrote: »

I have to agree, it is very discouraging that less and less DC and EP have been coming onto Skull Crusher the last few weeks..

Just today we managed to rally close to 16 DC (Half of which were levels 25-45), only to get swept up by Thorker (Does that guy ever log off? It seems hes on every waking hour of the day!), and his crew of VR's. Thorker and his two VR's held 16 of us for nearly an hour, only for them to get reinforced by about 20 more AD. What started as a small incursion turned into the nightly extermination of DC players hiding in stealth, between Alma Ruma Gate and Northern High Rock.

First off I was one of those two you mention so ggs. My opinion of skull crusher is that it is an enormous yawn, and unless you have deep ties to the leader boards guest on another campaign. If your AD you can join the underdogs, but have the scroll and emperor bonuses. If your DC or EP you can train your groups up, and prepare for war against AD in skullcrusher.

As much as I agree with you about people sticking it out the game is about fun. If people don't feel like they are having fun they have every right to go somewhere else. So I don't believe they should be faulted for wanting to enjoy the game. Honestly if the conditions of the 1st few days of skullcrusher continued for a long period of time I would have switched servers, but I have a guild and playing with friends is fun for me. If a random player has no guild, and can find no well established one then why should they stay?

As a side conversation I am interested to see what happens when craglorn come out. Right now there isn't really anything to do at vet 10 other than pvp , and I will expect the pvp population to dip when craglorn is released.

pad11

We had a great run this morning against a group of about 20 DC who had taken Nikel and Rayles...managed, after much consternation, to retake but only after getting pushed back again and again...and they were game and into it...when the DC come out to play, they come out hard! Props to them for sure...

Emma!

Rykoth

The problem is real simple.

AD came in swarms. And they haven't let up. Many in DC and EP left BEFORE Angry Joe and his youtube cult army came in and derped their way to victory. You Noore folks, I don't necessarily blame you - in fact you guys have been fun enemies.

BUT. And this is a huge BUT.

What isn't fun, is the fact that every day, all day, the map is painted yellow. As someone who every other day gets the opportunity to log in, it sucks. I can't go to Cyrodil on SC because... nobody is on, and therefore, one lone orc can't retake a farm, let alone a keep, let alone be a one man army. So... Cyrodil isn't an option.

Then we've got last night. Until a few of us got fed up with it, grouped up and eliminated the threat, you have these scrubs who camp the gates, looking for easy kills. NEWSFLASH: If you want people to fight, you let them have a fighting chance.

IMO there's only two or three things that can make SC salvageable.

1. EP and DC team up, agree to limited hostilities and fight against AD.
2. AD allows EP and DC to -at least- hold their own home keeps during off peak hours so that every faction has something to fight for and fight to defend during prime time hours.
3. Everyone leaves SC to the vultures, until nobody plays here, and then the population can "reset" later on.

Also. Someone made me aware that some players were using a program or cheat of some sort that allowed them do some things in ways that shouldn't be possible. TOS/EULA breaking stuff. I don't care if you're winning or losing, everyone should be quick to report these idiots and keep the playing field fair.

My 2 cents. I would like to see SC be salvageable, but until either the two factions come to grips, or AD lets up a bit... it won't happen IMO.

Dleatherus

@Rykoth‌

ty - the noore tries to give a bit of breathing room, we're not at the gates usually unless showing a member to a skyshard, and in fact have established within the guild 'safe zones' for enemies that unless they are a certain distance away from the gate (typically a ballista shot from the keep walls or attacking a gate keep resource) we don't engage them - if they run back into that safe zone we disengage

it is sad in my opinion that the campaigns were rolled out in such a manner that players have to do this - because invariably others in zone won't observe these informal 'rules' and so it becomes pointless to an extent

we have nothing but FULL respect for our EP and DC foes that have stuck in there steadfastly - it shows a ton of backbone, character and determination

hang in there a few more days - might be the AD keeps won't have as many defenders and you have a legitimate chance of not only taking, but holding the throne

we have tried reasoning with the other guild you mention - no luck i'm afraid - not surprising given that some of them exploit etc - it's a different mentality i guess

personally i would jump at the opportunity of being able to 'buy' a campaign server (if reasonably priced) and invite fun AD, EP and DC guilds to fill it up and have at it

i still believe that eventually the campaigns will fill up and we will look back upon these times and smile and shake our heads

D.

Rykoth

Honestly, that's why I haven't left. I'm not quite the doomsayer a number of people seem to be. I'll guest on Wabba or some other high action campaign, but SC still seems like it should be the one to be on because at some point, something *will* give. Hopefully if ZOS fixes some of the cheats, some of those players mentioned will vanish too.

I think unfortunately, there's two camps in PVP.

Those that play solely to win - and those who play solely to have fun. I'm in camp 2. I know when DC was dominating during Early Access and those first couple weeks, I avoided Cyrodil *because* it wasn't fun being in the domination group either with little resistance >.>

Xundiin

Edit: Ignore this post.

cyox

Just way too many campaigns. Even auriels has gotten to the point no one plays during the day EP side due to the insane population imbalance.

SC has become the same old story though. We show up with 10-20 take 4-5 keeps and then the AD zerg shows up and its just a numbers game. Can usually muster another 30-40 during prime time from allied guilds and usually a few hand fulls of random players but that's it, by then you guys are usually 2-3 bar pop and there's just no way to overcome that type of numbers disadvantage.

We've had some epic battles, Saturday evenings especially have been very good but those moments seem to be happening less and less.

Numbers are going to dip heavily soon with sub fee kicking in, wildstar coming out and ZOS just standing in the corner quiet acting as if all is right in the world. Hopefully they do something quickly as the game is already hemorrhaging badly and when the game is right it's as good as I've ever played. The issues aren't going to fix themselves though. It isn't fun for either side as it currently sits.

buttclown69

I admit the past couple nights we did camp at gates. I'm done with it because I do want to have PvP and continuing to do so would ruin it, and if the map does change I wouldn't expect the same treatment after what both EP and DC have had to endure. I am probably going to just take a break from it entirely for a few days and either do the quests in Cyrodiil or just go back to PvE. Everything is just too toxic and with it imbalanced and hardly populated for more than an hour or two.

When we do get to battle it is very fun, no matter how bad I am at it , but it has become a rarity. Hopefully it will change.

Avidus

Well some news for this, the alliance I belong to have decided we now have enough VR people and will shortly begin our training.
We will be changing this SC odds.

Phoenix99

To be honest, personally I simply got a little bored with ESO. PvE is kinda of boring after several hours of play and PvP patience ran out in hopes for some leveled playing ground. The upcoming changes to CC effects and immunity gained also cry "no skill game". Someone from the dev team should get some education in logic and then work for free to learn "balancing PvP" at the companies that have PvP centric games and MAYBE then, it would get to him that this game is simply bad in that regard.

I am keeping my sub, because of the guild I am in, and some group fun, but I find myself playing some competitive PvP games and not even wanting to log on ESO.

You can still find me on SC on Saturdays nights with my Orc kins, but its getting harder for me to find motivation to appear on other days.

Rev Rielle

Rykoth wrote: »

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Those that play solely to win - and those who play solely to have fun. I'm in camp 2. I know when DC was dominating during Early Access and those first couple weeks, I avoided Cyrodil *because* it wasn't fun being in the domination group either with little resistance >.>

I agree.
The other day I was chastised by more than one alliance member for wanting some help fighting some AD that were stalking/ambushing near the Gate of Ni-Mokh. Chastised because 'there are better ways to get points' This made me sad and sort of broke my back in terms of the lack of support out there from my own alliance. It seems it's less about actual PvP and fun, and more about climbing up the leader boards. But each to their own, I guess. My focus is somewhat different from a lot of others it seems.
Mechanics and population imbalances aside, from the little I've seen a times we in the DC alliance don't do ourselves any favours either. But like others have said; it's early days yet, we will see what develops over-time.

ZurinArctus

Skull Crusher ... full of jaundice lovers.

Need controlled arenas. The open pvp of Cyrodiil is nothing more than an honor farm. Emperor seemed cool. What a revolving door.

xDonMega

There is no such thing as too many enemies.. it just means there is always some one to gank.

Pull your skirts down.

Arkwright

It really is a shame, I've noticed a very large amount of DC have left over the last few days. I still think this is better then when we (DC) owned everything though. I remember large groups of DC would camp EP and AD gates. So if it's happening in reverse remember that DC did it as well.

Hopefully things get more active, see you all out there.

Dleatherus

SC has become a pitiful place to be these days, period

you have on the one side the remnants of DC and EP - most of whom have determinedly stuck it out in the hopes of seeing a turn around - it hasn't happened and now a certain number of them are using exploits to ninja take keeps - not getting into how it's done here - read the forums enough and there are posts about it

and then on the AD side you have some folks who came when the map was all blue looking for a fair and tough fight, and some who came in afterwards to join 'easy street'

add to that some folks who are exploiting their way to the top of the leaderboards, and then appealing in zone chat to not help defend any keeps that are being ninja exploited so that they can become emperor, and you end up with a campaign that is in shambles

i'd appeal for ZOS to fix these exploits, and ban the exploiters - but it would be of little use - we have thought of a number of other exploits that can very simply be used but don't, and exploiters these days are so numerous that like cockroaches, you kill 20 and 40 come back

i'm not angry about it - 'somewhat saddened' would best describe it -

i still hold out hope that there will be a somewhat workable solution to all this

D.

Np7ExR6

The solution is simple fix the population issues associated with the numerous campaigns and the balance will come

Dleatherus

Np7ExR6 wrote: »

The solution is simple fix the population issues associated with the numerous campaigns and the balance will come

agreed - it's what we've been clamouring for in many threads

D.

Phoenix99

Dleatherus wrote: »

Np7ExR6 wrote: »

The solution is simple fix the population issues associated with the numerous campaigns and the balance will come

agreed - it's what we've been clamouring for in many threads

D.

I think that it would also help to split campaigns into VR leveled and non-VR leveled.

That 5days after official release influx of 7 VR 5-10s with vampire cheese broke the campaign, when the other side had 1-2 vamps (of which only one was VR and it was a VR1) and the max level was VR 2 emperor sorc IIRC. It just also made people abandon the campaign to do the chore of leveling in PvE (because suddenly after spending lots of hours in PvP they wer able to level from 15 to 35 in the same time span as the other guys) to at least VR1 and really PvE is mega boring after 15-20h spent there if you do not have a group with which you do the content and just talk about "things" while doing so.

When people left to level up for several days and then looked back at the map I guess they just had no interest in going there, when after a few attempts to find people they were not successful to create a group.

Aside of population number balance there needs to be some power level balance. Same population of non-VRs vs population of VRs has absolutely no chance.

ralonasan

DC starts pushing and you zerg them. How is that fun for you? really really sad....

Cheapshot

wow you can't let DC even take one keep before sending the zerg. That is pathetic. Keep beating the crippled kid since that's about all you know how to do. Can't wait till subs expire

Cheapshot

You've completely killed any PUG players on the server and the guilds are falling apart because of AD zerging the small numbers of players we can gather (takes hours) before we even make it passed our home keeps.

ralonasan

Bads and cowards, every single one of you.