Lotro is adding landscape difficulty slider.

https://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Landscape_Difficulty

It would be so cool to have the same on ESO.

TaSheen wrote: »

? I thought they had that already a couple years ago?

I'm guessing that they are expanding the feature to more servers because it was wildly successful. I believe it used only be on certain ones. But IDK as I don't play that game.

I made a thread about this just a few mins ago not realizing this was here, someone else told me about it.

I'll just copy/paste my thread here. TLDR is that it's way too easy and nothing feels consequential.



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Lately there has been a new "hardcore" trend going on in games with higher difficulty. I have been playing HC WoW Classic lately and the difference is staggering. My level 12 paladin just died horrifically to 2 (yes TWO) random Defias bandits in Westfall, level 12 and level 13. That would never happen in this game.

The main thing keeping me away from new characters in ESO (and coming back to this game generally) has been the absolute joke that combat and PvE single player content.

If I make a new character it's almost impossible to fail anything, and none of my decisions matter. Everything is way too easy, there is way too much loot, crafting is too easy, quests are too easy... and nothing hurts when I get hit. It makes my class choice purely a cosmetic one, since none of the buttons I press even matter. Some people claim that the "difficulty" of older MMOs was just an illusion because of nostalgia goggles, but they are absolutely wrong. In older games, literally every point mattered and one misclick could mean your doom. In ESO everything is just constant faceroll and nothing ever really hurts you.

As an example, here is a video of my brand new, naked character with no CP, no skills, no gear and no weapon literally just standing there as I press no buttons, and I am unable to die because my passive health regen is greater than the mob's damage output: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTDMjZJXoqE

It's completely broken.

I was hoping (perhaps naively) that other devs of other games might take notice of the recent surge in popularity of WoW classic (and other DS-type games) and have a version of ESO that actually packs a punch.

Examples of changes I'd implement:

- Drastically reduced resource regeneration during combat, making stam/magicka management crucial in the open world
- No passive health regeneration (ever), making food and potions meaningful
- Greatly increased damage output from all open world enemies, actually forcing you to roll dodge and block
- Faster enemies, faster animations, and no "warning" animations when you get too close
- greater aggro radius
- WAY less loot (like 90 percent less chests, less magic items, less loot in general... It is absurd that you can kill a random wolf and find a battleaxe, a pelt, and 2 or 3 other random lootables)
- A return of old-school leveling (i.e. no more de-leveled zones)
- An actual penalty for dying, not just a corpse run (Not HC char deletion per se but dying should suck).

This would just be a start, there are many other absurd things about this game which make questing super boring and easy, with no consequential decisions in your character build.

I'd be happy however with just some very basic changes, like having open-world enemies that actually deal damage when they attack you and don't give you a full two second warning before they engage.

Dahveed wrote: »

And also, a few years back (wow time flies!) I had made a thread about a personal debuff in the sytle of WoW's "resurrection sickness" buff which nerfs an individual player. (i.e. less hp, less damage output, more damage taken).

This would be pretty easy to implement IMO and would not require any more balancing of the actual world, so it wouldn't affect new players etc.

That is essentially what is meant when people mention a debuff slider/toggle. So far, however, it is unknown whether they'd consider something like that.

Another off-beat idea I had was to give this whole thing an Elder Scrolls flavour:

make some kind of quest (or something) where you have to bargain with Clavicus Vile for some trinket or other, and then he ends up tricking you. Call it "Vile's Curse" which debuffs you.

If you want to remove the debuff (i.e. you're a wimp and want free wins) you have to complete a separate small quest to "defeat" Vile and get your power back.

They could really go to town with this if they wanted to and add achievements, titles, toys etc. to the action bar for bragging rights.

IMO more loot and xp etc wouldn't be necessary. I care very little about faster levelling, cramming more useless green and blue gear into my already full bags etc.

I just want the game to actually be fun and intense.

I really love the High Isle scenery and the Firesong scenery.

Sadly I've been there just a handful of times since I have to be in Craglorn to queue for trials.

I was just alerted to this sticky, so sorry for being waaay late.

Tried the game 3 years ago because I loved all Elder Scrolls games and Bethesda was taking its sweet time with TES6, so I jumped in.

After a while I realized this is not Elder Scrolls with friends. I completely fell in love with the world and freedom and lore but the overland content was shockingly easy, without an option to make it more challenging.

I'm not some tough guy trying to posture here. The reason I didn't have fun questing in ESO isn't because I think I'm a serious MLG supergamer playing Dark Souls with one hand behind my back. It's because without any challenge the RPG elements of the game don't make sense. They're pointless.

It almost doesn't matter what class you play, how you distribute your stats, what abilities you're using and what gear and weapons you're sporting. Enemies just die in a few hits, even the scary looking and even minibosses. All I was doing in those 5 or 6 hours I was playing was running around and mindlessly pressing "1" on my keyboard.

I know that eventually there are the veteran instances and raids and whatnot but guys, it takes dozens of hours to level up your character to get to them. Dozens of hours running around pressing "1", while not particularly caring about level ups or stats or abilities or loot. How is this fun for anyone? I suspect people defending the zero-challenge overland have all levelled up to max years ago and now are only doing raids or social events and so they forget how incredibly mind-numbing levelling is.

Then again, I'm not an MMO player. ESO was my first one I've ever tried. Maybe all or most MMOs are like this (is WoW overland content challenging? I have no idea). I just thought an Elder Scrolls MMO would be like playing Skyrim, only bigger, better and with friends and I was disappointed I didn't get a normal RPG but something like a walking simulator with pointless RPG elements, albeit in a beautiful and captivating world.

If the developers ever figure out a way to make the overland experience resemble a standard single-player RPG like Skyrim with optional difficulty levels (for the record, I never play Skyrim on Legendary, that's way too obnoxious for me, I usually play on Expert and later on Master, when you're too OP in the endgame) I will give them ALL my money

Still I wish them, their fans and the game all best because putting the overland content aside, they have done and are doing an amazing job.

We are never going to get this, they are too scared of what the game was before One Tamriel. Looking back, I prefer some of the old ways of this game, a feeling of progression through the zones and story, no crates, less flashy and absurd looking skins.

Don't get me wrong, what they did saved the game, but in my opinion it was only the opening up the alliances that helped the game and not the level scaling.

Mrtoobyy wrote: »

Why do someone even create stories with big bad villains that is a threat to all of Tamriel when these villains are easier than a mob in a vet dungeon.

If I had to guess it is because they don't want to force people to group up to do the overland quest final boss. Your mob example aside, if the big bad for the Chapter "end of the world" story was as bad as even a boss in a public dungeon, people would likely rage quit out of frustration.

This is one of the reasons the main quest in Chapters needs to drop this "end of the world" theme, by the way. I doubt that they are even capable of pulling off whatever it is they are trying to do.

Something I'd really wish they'd implement is that when you quest, multiple players can target the same quest item instead of having to wait for the item to respawn five minutes at a time. The Sirk questline in Deeshane for example. Those potions take five minutes to respawn, sometimes longer when multiple folk are in there

I'd also really love it if the Tales of Tribute lady was moved. I hate being hounded by her at every major city. She should be restricted to High Isle. Can't even play Tribute without High Isle anyway

Snamyap wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

Also, people need to remember that Overland is where a bulk of ESO story is. It's meant to be easy so people can actually enjoy the story. Overland isn't meant to offer the same challenge as dungeons, trials, or PvP, because the main point of Overland is story, not challenge. You have to cater to the lowest common denominator for these things. How often do we see people complaining that people in PUGs do next to no DPS and seem to only know how to Light Attack from a corner? I remember seeing before, too, one of the devs mentioning a while back how the average player doesn't do over 10k DPS? Something like that? Or maybe it was that Companions average 10k DPS because they're meant to do just a bit less than the average player so they do help people who need it but aren't meant to replace another actual player in harder content? There was some actual number given by someone, maybe it was Rich, I just can't remember the exact context.

My point with that is that if the average player is doing low DPS and not really engaging with combat, then it stands to reason the devs aren't going to want to implement a blanket increase in Overland difficulty. It'll just make things harder and more tedious for the average person. Which, again, is why if they do anything to increase Overland difficulty in general, it needs to strictly be an opt-in thing.

Maybe they aren't breaking 10k dps because the game never challenged them to? They never had to learn to be more capable before they stepped into group content, and then they suddenly run into a brick wall, get yelled at by other players, and log of in distress. The difference is simply too big.

This isvery true. I learned the combat, weaving etc, When the game was still relatively difficult. It helped me get better. Now though I can hardly play one quest without yawning and shutting down the game. I really want to experience the last few dlcs, but the overland is so damned easy, that I just fall asleep and stop playing.

Simple solution, probably already suggested a thousand times in this thread, sorry.

Crafted set:
(2) Increases incoming damage from monsters by 25%
(3) Decreases outgoing damage to monsters by 25%
(4) Increases both to 50%
(5) Increases both to 75%

No interfere with other players who don't need it.
No interfere with PvP.
No need for vet instances.
Flexible (values can be adjusted).
Easy to implement.

And pls don't say that this will be boring&stuff, cuz thats what actually a lot of singleplayer videogames do with difficulty. Skyrim for example. Rest is up to player: gear lvl 1, vampire stage 4, etc etc...

I also add my vote on top of the pile; I need difficult overland to maximize my enjoyment. Throw some light-hearted incentive that no casual player would seethe over for missing. Example exp bonus and 5% gold gain. Harder mobs, longer time, tiny bit more exp.

Saying that people take the path of least resistance; I did a skyshard run yesterday for my arcanist and I didn't wait for the delve boss to spawn, because it felt so meaningless to wait for such a pushover, so I didn't care. If it was herald seeker, those flying monsters in Telvanni Peninsula, I would've appreciated the delve more and waited for the boss.

Easiest solution to implement this quickly and painless is to have a crafted set like someone mentioned before with 1 traits researched. It's baffling that such an easy way of achieving this is overlooked and ignored when it's clear, that they can push out sets rather easily.

"Crafted set:
(2) Increases incoming damage from monsters by 25%
(3) Decreases outgoing damage to monsters by 25%
(4) Increases both to 50%
(5) Increases both to 75%"
@Mocap wrote this. I'd add some incentive like at 5 pieces additionally; 10% more experience and gold gain. Nothing dramatic, but something to balance off the increased difficulty.

Loving the new Nymics. Really nice group system. I like that it encourages grouping up and playing with other players in an MMO. It feels Old School in a good way. I'd love to see more of this stuff coming out as a sort of "Craglorn Lite".