Eso was launched as a PVP centric MMO.
Since 2014 many of the original devs left the team.
Now ESO is more PVE and fashion MMO game.
The original concept disappeared.
Eso was launched as a PVP centric MMO.
Since 2014 many of the original devs left the team.
Now ESO is more PVE and fashion MMO game.
The original concept disappeared.
I agree that PvP is at the center of the game since that is the location of Cyrodiil.
I would disagree that it was PvP centric. 90% or more of the map was PvE at launch. Most of the energy developing the game, outside of combat, was PvE quest writing requires significant work. A large portion of the cost was voice acting and Zenimax went after some big names for that as well. It would seem odd that most of the cost and most of the work was PvE related but the game is a PvP centric game. If ESO was every a PvP centric game we would have seen PvP everywhere instead of one limited area.
The three-banner war was a big part of advertising the game but that war is woven into the PvE stories so it is not a PvP centric theme.
SkaraMinoc wrote: »I've hit a wall in ESO PvP where I'm having trouble finding a reason to play. There's no carrot to chase. Battlegrounds have always been my go-to but after 400+ deathmatch the excitement is wearing off.
I need achievements with good rewards and a proper ranking system for me to get invested.
Eso was launched as a PVP centric MMO.
Since 2014 many of the original devs left the team.
Now ESO is more PVE and fashion MMO game.
The original concept disappeared.
I agree that PvP is at the center of the game since that is the location of Cyrodiil.
I would disagree that it was PvP centric. 90% or more of the map was PvE at launch. Most of the energy developing the game, outside of combat, was PvE quest writing requires significant work. A large portion of the cost was voice acting and Zenimax went after some big names for that as well. It would seem odd that most of the cost and most of the work was PvE related but the game is a PvP centric game. If ESO was every a PvP centric game we would have seen PvP everywhere instead of one limited area.
The three-banner war was a big part of advertising the game but that war is woven into the PvE stories so it is not a PvP centric theme.
dinokstrunz wrote: »JJOtterBear wrote: »JJOtterBear wrote: »I mean, i'd be fine if they just removed PvP from ESO entirely. Then they could pump those resources into their PvE content which is quite arguably, the actual strength of the game. Not every game has to cater to PvP'ers. In fact, I think way too many games do now. Not sure when that paradigm shift occurred.
ESO is a fantasy RPG. Frankly, PvP isn't necessary. and it's really only there to pander to the crowd that needs to feel accomplishment by beating other people in a way that has no real world value.
just my 2 cents. and I stand by it.
Some of us bought this game specifically because we were promised a large openworld PVP map with huge battles. Now that doesn't work, so they've remade the game into a casual exploration game in a fantasy setting. If you can't understand why those of us who were there at the start, and purchased the game in part because of that promise, are annoyed then there's not much I could say that wouldn't get snipped.
Yes, and their focus changed. Large open world PvP is no longer the promise anymore. I understand why you are annoyed. But I feel your annoyance lies not with the change, but your resistance to the change. the unwillingness to adapt.
Clearly this game has changed course to be more of a PvE game with some sprinkled, not really functional PvP. Clearly that does not fulfill you, so why not find a game that does? By continuing to demand that they reverse their course for the game, you are setting yourself up for perpetual disappointment.
Elder Scrolls has never been about killing other players. ESO now, with its focus on the story and PvE content is actually more true to an elder scrolls game than ever before. There are plenty of games that will cater to your pvp needs. Why does ESO have to be one of them? How did you enjoy other ES games that never had pvp?
[snip] I wonder if you played ESO in early 2014. It was all & only about Cyrodiil. ESO had one of the most passionate PvP communities in the MMO sphere right from the get go. Also comparing the style of ESO an MMO to the single player games, really, people knew this wasn't going to be Skyrim 2 if they did then that's just silly.
ESO will always be that game with the label "what if." If ESO didn't suffer from performance issues this game could well of been one of the strongest games for PvP on the MMO market.
Don't underestimate the power a game focused on pvp has for pvpers.
Don't underestimate the power a game focused on pvp has for pvpers.
I don't. PVPers OVERESTIMATE what a game focused on PVP has for PVPers.
No content. No sets to collect. Nothing to do but 'kill other players'
You will get bored. I can't believe i have to keep saying this, but have you looked at the population of any other PVP focused MMO?
Ghost towns. All of them.
I'm a healer main.
I'd rather scoop my eyeballs out with a rusty spoon than play PvP in this game.
I do it for events - then quickly remember why I hate doing it.
To the DPS bros, it's a fun experience. For everyone else.... it ranges from tedious and boring to just a frustrating mess.
This is one area IMHO MMOs like World of Warcraft run absolute rings around ESO.
- Objective based BGs with 2 sides only and large player counts.
- Arena play with Seasons
- Dedicated PvP sets so they don't conflict with PvE sets creating endless frustration
There's no area of PvP in ESO I actually enjoy. I honestly hate it all.
I played as a healer main in WoW for years & it leaves healer PvP play in ESO for dead IMHO.
Why don't I just go and play WoW instead then?
I play on Console nowadays and there's no WoW here.
Plus, the PvE side of ESO is actually really damn good so I'm content to spit on the PvP side of this game and just stick to PvE.
I'm a healer main.
I'd rather scoop my eyeballs out with a rusty spoon than play PvP in this game.
I do it for events - then quickly remember why I hate doing it.
To the DPS bros, it's a fun experience. For everyone else.... it ranges from tedious and boring to just a frustrating mess.
This is one area IMHO MMOs like World of Warcraft run absolute rings around ESO.
- Objective based BGs with 2 sides only and large player counts.
- Arena play with Seasons
- Dedicated PvP sets so they don't conflict with PvE sets creating endless frustration
There's no area of PvP in ESO I actually enjoy. I honestly hate it all.
I played as a healer main in WoW for years & it leaves healer PvP play in ESO for dead IMHO.
Why don't I just go and play WoW instead then?
I play on Console nowadays and there's no WoW here.
Plus, the PvE side of ESO is actually really damn good so I'm content to spit on the PvP side of this game and just stick to PvE.
Dragonnord wrote: »They abandoned the ship and we're supposed to want them back? I hope they don't ever come back.
I'm a healer main.
I'd rather scoop my eyeballs out with a rusty spoon than play PvP in this game.
I do it for events - then quickly remember why I hate doing it.
To the DPS bros, it's a fun experience. For everyone else.... it ranges from tedious and boring to just a frustrating mess.
This is one area IMHO MMOs like World of Warcraft run absolute rings around ESO.
- Objective based BGs with 2 sides only and large player counts.
- Arena play with Seasons
- Dedicated PvP sets so they don't conflict with PvE sets creating endless frustration
There's no area of PvP in ESO I actually enjoy. I honestly hate it all.
I played as a healer main in WoW for years & it leaves healer PvP play in ESO for dead IMHO.
Why don't I just go and play WoW instead then?
I play on Console nowadays and there's no WoW here.
Plus, the PvE side of ESO is actually really damn good so I'm content to spit on the PvP side of this game and just stick to PvE.
First I thought you meant the serious game developers.Dragonnord wrote: »They abandoned the ship and we're supposed to want them back?
I hope they don't ever come back.
DestroyerPewnack wrote: »LMAO at people saying players will come back after the New World hype dies down! 😂
As someone who has made the switch, I can tell you honestly, ESO is a hundred times bigger than New World. Even when ESO first launched, it was bigger. More things to do, more build variety, more skills to learn, etc.
I (and people like me) made the switch, knowing all of that. Why? Because at least in New World, I don't die to lag. If by some miracle, Zos finally fixes performance in Cyrodiil (hiiiiighly unlikely, but I still check in from time to time) some of us might come back. But for others, it's too late. They've been treated like crap for far too long, and they're happy to finally leave this game.
No reason why any of you should care, obviously. But please don't fool yourselves by thinking we've been "tricked" by the New World hype. We left because we've had enough of ESO's devs. If we get bored of New World, we'll play something else. Just not ESO.
This is what I hear a lot. Fortunately for me, I play ESO because of the wonderful lore and the beautifully designed worlds. This is why I stay. If I would play it for PvP, I probably would have left years ago because of the incredible lag. Moreover, you cannot take any PvP game seriously where -even after years of development- the core mechanics change every 3 months because the devs either have no clue or do not care at all about fine-tuning. Three years ago, you could play all classes and all styles in PvP competitively. Nowadays, about 90% of PvP players use either a Stam setup or a Bomber setup - this bad balance has deteriorated. Finally, with the latest wild PvP Proc Cheese sets, the devs themselves applied the final deathblow to ESO PVP.DestroyerPewnack wrote: »If by some miracle, Zos finally fixes performance in Cyrodiil (hiiiiighly unlikely, but I still check in from time to time) some of us might come back. But for others, it's too late. [...] We left because we've had enough of ESO's devs. If we get bored of New World, we'll play something else. Just not ESO.
Curious_Death wrote: »Came coz NW have maintance now u know how i feel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JhwxTen6yA
have fun riding SHINY mounts that u got using ur wallets
i changed laglaglaglaglag
into lalalalong
TequilaFire wrote: »I didn't buy ESO to have it be exactly like an Elder Scrolls game.
I would play one of the ES solo games if I wanted that.
JJOtterBear wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »I didn't buy ESO to have it be exactly like an Elder Scrolls game.
I would play one of the ES solo games if I wanted that.
well then, go do that? Stop trying to turn ESO into a PvP hellscape. There are plenty of other games out there that would cater to your needs. this is why people feel so sour towards PvP'ers. [snip]
JJOtterBear wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »I didn't buy ESO to have it be exactly like an Elder Scrolls game.
I would play one of the ES solo games if I wanted that.
well then, go do that? Stop trying to turn ESO into a PvP hellscape. There are plenty of other games out there that would cater to your needs. this is why people feel so sour towards PvP'ers. [snip]
JJOtterBear wrote: »
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