New World is trash, once the new-ness wears off they'll be back. ESO has way too much content and different ways to play to be fully replaced by New World.
It's just laughable to even compare the two games. ESO is just better because it has been around longer. If the PVP crowd leaves so what. Zos can concentrate on something else which I bet would make them happy.
DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »BalticBlues wrote: »We always had the lag, not much has changed here.DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »I don’t think it was proc sets. It’s the lag, it’s skillz not firing off and disconnects.
But lately, PvP is going down the drain:
1st, PvP people got fed up about GETTING BOMBED left and right.
2nd, PvP people got fed up not knowing if GEAR BONUSES are WORKING OR NOT.
3rd and final nail, PvP people are fed up about GETTING DARK CONVERGED left and right.
Dark Convergence, Hrothgar, Plaguebreaker etc. have become a PLAGUE in PVP.
PvP got so bad with it, some of the very best ESO players said "RIP PVP".
"The Ultimate Desaster when it comes to balancing"
starting at 6:00, about Hrothgar at 7:10, result at 8:40:
"Sets like Hrothgar have no counter [...] all skill is eliminated from the game"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSXfVPel38I
The new PvP Proc sets are worse than the Ball Groups they should prevent.
ZOS decided to fight the pest with cholera.
But now we have to handle both, the pest AND the cholera.
Moreover, Ball Groups got even worse using the cholera themselves...
I really wonder how ZOS wants to clean up this PvP Proc Plague recently created.
That is the most whiney video from a you tuber I have ever seen. I have played since beta on PC NA. This guy is making a plug to go play New World lol. Is lag a problem in eso? yes. We’re ball groups a massive problem? Yes. Are specific sets too op? Yes. That doesn’t mean the game is dying. A lot of us are waiting in the shadows for them to fix/adjust. If they don’t then we won’t be back. But to say it’s dying??? Pffft. He wants to go to new world. So let him. Bye Felicia.
I don't find it particularly whiney. I think there are a lot of truths within that video/exposé.
It is true that there haven't been substantial updates to Cyrodill over the years. We received the Volundrung (axed) and a few changes to how bridges work with some slight terrain changes, but that's it!
Performance has been getting worse, the testing period during the year of performance was atrocious and was one of the first waves of guild disbands/non motivation and the introduction of the new proc sets has once again made people frustrated.
It's only natural that these doubts and evidently existing problems come out when something new is proposed elsewhere.
It could also be judged as a call out to our producer to finally watch and listen to their communities reactions to stale content, right?
I don't care for comments about this is trash this isn't...end of the day other things exist, some aspects are better and some aren't..deal with it and have more constructive comments, please
More constructive comments?
Dude. This guy is making it like New World is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Why? [snip] Streamers come and go. While they are posting their content about best build bis build, we are already running it. And then we find the next best bis builds [snip]. Proc sets aren’t the problem. It’s the servers. It always has been. Everyone who has played since beta knows this. If streamers want to say they are leaving the game let them go. [snip] If Zos ever decides to fix this mess and bring this game back to its promised potential of 100s of players battling it out at once then most of us originals will return. [snip]
I don't stream, and I simply offered my opinion. None of it was "whining" and I still play the game to trade. But ESO PvP is simply not good enough and will never improve, so myself, and a huge amount of endgame experienced PvPers (we all mutually agreed in multiple large pvp guilds) have entirely quit ESO PvP because of that.
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JJOtterBear wrote: »I mean, i'd be fine if they just removed PvP from ESO entirely. Then they could pump those resources into their PvE content which is quite arguably, the actual strength of the game. Not every game has to cater to PvP'ers. In fact, I think way too many games do now. Not sure when that paradigm shift occurred.
ESO is a fantasy RPG. Frankly, PvP isn't necessary. and it's really only there to pander to the crowd that needs to feel accomplishment by beating other people in a way that has no real world value.
just my 2 cents. and I stand by it.
JJOtterBear wrote: »I mean, i'd be fine if they just removed PvP from ESO entirely. Then they could pump those resources into their PvE content which is quite arguably, the actual strength of the game. Not every game has to cater to PvP'ers. In fact, I think way too many games do now. Not sure when that paradigm shift occurred.
ESO is a fantasy RPG. Frankly, PvP isn't necessary. and it's really only there to pander to the crowd that needs to feel accomplishment by beating other people in a way that has no real world value.
just my 2 cents. and I stand by it.
VaranisArano wrote: »The only thing that's going to get me back to playing PVP 9+ hours a week like I used to is to fix Cyrodiil's performance.
And unfortunately, that's the one thing ZOS apparently can't fix, so I don't expect I'll have a reason to return to my PVP heyday any time soon.
ZOS needs to fix the Lag issues. It needs to add in a ranking system, new PVP areas and Tournaments (since Arenas has already been used).
Oh BTW. Lag is due to low server hardware and poor IT infrastructure. If Non CP PVP is as laggy had normal PVP. then it is not too many extra calculations which is causing issues. If ZOS really wants to fix it. Set everyone to no procs no dots and no buffs/debuffs. This will demonstrate the server performance. Strip it back to the bare basics and work from there
BroughBreaux wrote: »All of the reasons I've read here are valid reasons, but I think the biggest one is something no one mentioned.
ZOS doesn't listen to PvP players and never addresses their concerns.
There's never any effort from ZOS to say "we hear you and we understand your concerns". It's radio silence. ZOS continues to churn out 4 Dungeons and 2 casual questing zones, as well a bunch of new houses, furnishings, motifs, etc. but the only thing PvPers can get is an emote and not even a recognition that the gameplay experience for a PvP player is dogwater?
PvP being in the [snip] state it's in is bad PR and so they've just chosen to ignore it because a new player will not be enticed to try out ESO when they hear that entire communities within the game are ignored and a huge chunk of the game is so unplayably laggy that people are leaving in droves to literally any other game with a PvP mode, even if it's not even good (New World sucks and it's a cope to say otherwise).
This is even a problem for the endgame PvE people as well, but at least they get new content. The only time ZOS listens to endgame PvE players is when they're looking to nerf a set or ban a bunch of people for reporting a bug.
As it stands, the only people that ZOS actually listens to (as evidenced by the patch notes and the content they create) are casual players who do midgame content like fashion, housing, RP, and questing. That demographic also happens to spend the most amount of money in the crown store, but I'm not going to insinuate anything there.
Who gets new questing zones every year? Who gets new houses and furnishings every year? Who gets new motifs every year? Who gets new costumes every year? Who gets new style parlor crown store items every year? Casual players.
Of course there's overlap on that list between all kinds of players. PvP players get costumes and motifs, sometimes PvP players get a big house to put the Ruby Throne in, etc. But not one single other player demographic is catered to more by ZOS than casual players.
But even when you listen to what the panel said at Quakecon earlier this year as well as the Year-End stream a few days ago, when they talk about the game's feature set, and ask each other scripted questions like "What do you like to do in ESO" it is always, without exception, casual content. The only time PvP is ever mentioned is in passing and everyone tries to pretend like it doesn't exist or say things implicitly bad about it. "Matt's a ganker (that's a thing we all hate, remember?)" was one I can recall from Quakecon a few months ago.
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_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »My friends list is now suddenly half inactive with people last being logged into the game 4+ days ago. They’ve all gone to a new game and if that game successfully keeps their attention, there is little to no chance half my friends are coming back to play ESO.
ZOS... you need to give people a reason to play your game. There have been no announcements and no indication through years of content releases that brand new PVP content is going to be released. Without anything new to play, discover, or learn, then people have absolutely no incentive to come back to your game.
Are you going to release some new PVP content soon? If not, say goodbye forever to a large chunk to your long time player base.
rofl if you are referring to new world, its a new shiny game that is ultra shallow. There's nothing really to worry about there. Do however bring back my objective based BG ESO, that's why i've not been playing for the last week, i.e DM, DM,DM, DM, DM,Dm,Dm,Dm,Dm,Dm,Dm,.Dm for the rest of time does not appeal for obvious reasons.
JJOtterBear wrote: »I mean, i'd be fine if they just removed PvP from ESO entirely. Then they could pump those resources into their PvE content which is quite arguably, the actual strength of the game. Not every game has to cater to PvP'ers. In fact, I think way too many games do now. Not sure when that paradigm shift occurred.
ESO is a fantasy RPG. Frankly, PvP isn't necessary. and it's really only there to pander to the crowd that needs to feel accomplishment by beating other people in a way that has no real world value.
just my 2 cents. and I stand by it.
Emmagoldman wrote: »<snip>
Sorry though, a loss to pvp, when it's neglected, won't mean shiny things for pve
JJOtterBear wrote: »I mean, i'd be fine if they just removed PvP from ESO entirely. Then they could pump those resources into their PvE content which is quite arguably, the actual strength of the game. Not every game has to cater to PvP'ers. In fact, I think way too many games do now. Not sure when that paradigm shift occurred.
ESO is a fantasy RPG. Frankly, PvP isn't necessary. and it's really only there to pander to the crowd that needs to feel accomplishment by beating other people in a way that has no real world value.
just my 2 cents. and I stand by it.
On the main topic though, I'm sorry but I just don't see the "mass exodus" people are talking about. Are pvp numbers down? Sure. But not dramatically since new world came out.
ZOS... you need to give people a reason to play your game. There have been no announcements and no indication through years of content releases that brand new PVP content is going to be released.
My friends list is now suddenly half inactive with people last being logged into the game 4+ days ago. They’ve all gone to a new game and if that game successfully keeps their attention, there is little to no chance half my friends are coming back to play ESO.
ZOS... you need to give people a reason to play your game. There have been no announcements and no indication through years of content releases that brand new PVP content is going to be released. Without anything new to play, discover, or learn, then people have absolutely no incentive to come back to your game.
Are you going to release some new PVP content soon? If not, say goodbye forever to a large chunk to your long time player base.
JJOtterBear wrote: »I mean, i'd be fine if they just removed PvP from ESO entirely. Then they could pump those resources into their PvE content which is quite arguably, the actual strength of the game. Not every game has to cater to PvP'ers. In fact, I think way too many games do now. Not sure when that paradigm shift occurred.
JJOtterBear wrote: »I mean, i'd be fine if they just removed PvP from ESO entirely. Then they could pump those resources into their PvE content which is quite arguably, the actual strength of the game. Not every game has to cater to PvP'ers. In fact, I think way too many games do now. Not sure when that paradigm shift occurred.
ESO is a fantasy RPG. Frankly, PvP isn't necessary. and it's really only there to pander to the crowd that needs to feel accomplishment by beating other people in a way that has no real world value.
just my 2 cents. and I stand by it.
Some of us bought this game specifically because we were promised a large openworld PVP map with huge battles. Now that doesn't work, so they've remade the game into a casual exploration game in a fantasy setting. If you can't understand why those of us who were there at the start, and purchased the game in part because of that promise, are annoyed then there's not much I could say that wouldn't get snipped.
JJOtterBear wrote: »JJOtterBear wrote: »I mean, i'd be fine if they just removed PvP from ESO entirely. Then they could pump those resources into their PvE content which is quite arguably, the actual strength of the game. Not every game has to cater to PvP'ers. In fact, I think way too many games do now. Not sure when that paradigm shift occurred.
ESO is a fantasy RPG. Frankly, PvP isn't necessary. and it's really only there to pander to the crowd that needs to feel accomplishment by beating other people in a way that has no real world value.
just my 2 cents. and I stand by it.
Some of us bought this game specifically because we were promised a large openworld PVP map with huge battles. Now that doesn't work, so they've remade the game into a casual exploration game in a fantasy setting. If you can't understand why those of us who were there at the start, and purchased the game in part because of that promise, are annoyed then there's not much I could say that wouldn't get snipped.
Yes, and their focus changed. Large open world PvP is no longer the promise anymore. I understand why you are annoyed. But I feel your annoyance lies not with the change, but your resistance to the change. the unwillingness to adapt.
Clearly this game has changed course to be more of a PvE game with some sprinkled, not really functional PvP. Clearly that does not fulfill you, so why not find a game that does? By continuing to demand that they reverse their course for the game, you are setting yourself up for perpetual disappointment.
Elder Scrolls has never been about killing other players. ESO now, with its focus on the story and PvE content is actually more true to an elder scrolls game than ever before. There are plenty of games that will cater to your pvp needs. Why does ESO have to be one of them? How did you enjoy other ES games that never had pvp?
robwolf666 wrote: »Well, no PvPers would mean they can focus solely on PvE - I'm sure those of us who came to ESO from Oblivion and Skyrim would be very happy about that since ES has always been a PvE game in our eyes.
JJOtterBear wrote: »JJOtterBear wrote: »I mean, i'd be fine if they just removed PvP from ESO entirely. Then they could pump those resources into their PvE content which is quite arguably, the actual strength of the game. Not every game has to cater to PvP'ers. In fact, I think way too many games do now. Not sure when that paradigm shift occurred.
ESO is a fantasy RPG. Frankly, PvP isn't necessary. and it's really only there to pander to the crowd that needs to feel accomplishment by beating other people in a way that has no real world value.
just my 2 cents. and I stand by it.
Some of us bought this game specifically because we were promised a large openworld PVP map with huge battles. Now that doesn't work, so they've remade the game into a casual exploration game in a fantasy setting. If you can't understand why those of us who were there at the start, and purchased the game in part because of that promise, are annoyed then there's not much I could say that wouldn't get snipped.
Yes, and their focus changed. Large open world PvP is no longer the promise anymore. I understand why you are annoyed. But I feel your annoyance lies not with the change, but your resistance to the change. the unwillingness to adapt.
Clearly this game has changed course to be more of a PvE game with some sprinkled, not really functional PvP. Clearly that does not fulfill you, so why not find a game that does? By continuing to demand that they reverse their course for the game, you are setting yourself up for perpetual disappointment.
Elder Scrolls has never been about killing other players. ESO now, with its focus on the story and PvE content is actually more true to an elder scrolls game than ever before. There are plenty of games that will cater to your pvp needs. Why does ESO have to be one of them? How did you enjoy other ES games that never had pvp?
JJOtterBear wrote: »JJOtterBear wrote: »I mean, i'd be fine if they just removed PvP from ESO entirely. Then they could pump those resources into their PvE content which is quite arguably, the actual strength of the game. Not every game has to cater to PvP'ers. In fact, I think way too many games do now. Not sure when that paradigm shift occurred.
ESO is a fantasy RPG. Frankly, PvP isn't necessary. and it's really only there to pander to the crowd that needs to feel accomplishment by beating other people in a way that has no real world value.
just my 2 cents. and I stand by it.
Some of us bought this game specifically because we were promised a large openworld PVP map with huge battles. Now that doesn't work, so they've remade the game into a casual exploration game in a fantasy setting. If you can't understand why those of us who were there at the start, and purchased the game in part because of that promise, are annoyed then there's not much I could say that wouldn't get snipped.
Yes, and their focus changed. Large open world PvP is no longer the promise anymore. I understand why you are annoyed. But I feel your annoyance lies not with the change, but your resistance to the change. the unwillingness to adapt.
Clearly this game has changed course to be more of a PvE game with some sprinkled, not really functional PvP. Clearly that does not fulfill you, so why not find a game that does? By continuing to demand that they reverse their course for the game, you are setting yourself up for perpetual disappointment.
Elder Scrolls has never been about killing other players. ESO now, with its focus on the story and PvE content is actually more true to an elder scrolls game than ever before. There are plenty of games that will cater to your pvp needs. Why does ESO have to be one of them? How did you enjoy other ES games that never had pvp?
Emmagoldman wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »My friends list is now suddenly half inactive with people last being logged into the game 4+ days ago. They’ve all gone to a new game and if that game successfully keeps their attention, there is little to no chance half my friends are coming back to play ESO.
ZOS... you need to give people a reason to play your game. There have been no announcements and no indication through years of content releases that brand new PVP content is going to be released. Without anything new to play, discover, or learn, then people have absolutely no incentive to come back to your game.
Are you going to release some new PVP content soon? If not, say goodbye forever to a large chunk to your long time player base.
rofl if you are referring to new world, its a new shiny game that is ultra shallow. There's nothing really to worry about there. Do however bring back my objective based BG ESO, that's why i've not been playing for the last week, i.e DM, DM,DM, DM, DM,Dm,Dm,Dm,Dm,Dm,Dm,.Dm for the rest of time does not appeal for obvious reasons.
But it's also new and has room to grow. I've been playing eso since thieves guild release and there have been minimal pvp updates. Meanwhile watching zone after zone release for pve, trials, dungeon after dungeon. I haven't tried nw but the ability to flag is awesome. Nw has the opportunity to tap into boooooooored pvpers and its been a neglected community for years