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crown gem exclusives are really annoying
Nemesis7884
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its less annoying if it concerns a special out there mount; but this is a mount based off a "standard outfit"...really annoying. Whats it gonna cost? 400 gems or 500? thats probably at least 20-40k crowns you need to sell off? so what a 200 dollar mount? crazy
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Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OH and before you are wondering - of course the new crown crate season wont start before the store deadline of the mount runs out... ^^
at least you know now that the new season starts beginning of july...7 -
Lintashi✭✭✭✭✭It is annoying, and that is why I would never buy those 'exclusives'. There were several times I was tempted, but simple calculations, on how much crates you need to buy, made those deals a big no for me. If more people used brains before buying, calculated how much it costs in real life currency and voted with wallets, we probably would not have those 'exclusives'' radiant apexes' and other such things.17 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Indeed. I've always really liked the Clouded Senche mount and was excited to see the requisite Storm Atronach crates return.
I assumed that even if my RNG was awful that I would still be able to get it for 100 gems relatively easily. So for the first time ever, I used my subscription Crowns to get some crates to see what the Crate:gem ratio was.
I thought that it might be like 1:10 or thereabouts but oh how wrong I was. I got 3 gems average out of my crates, which means that I would need 34 crates to get my Senche. Suffice to say, that's the last time I'm ever doing that.
And it's just sad irony because if it were available as a special mount from available for Crowns, I'd definitely spring for it at basically whatever price.12 -
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✭✭If they sold the various gem exclusive stuff directly for crowns instead of gems I would be more tempted to buy them as it is now they are nice to look at but that is it.6 -
Taylor_MB✭✭✭✭✭
✭As a non-crown store user I'm a little bit behind.
So there is now two premium currencies and a convoluted purchasing system?
1- You buy crowns with $$$
2- Convert to crates
3- Trade filler crate items to gems
4- Buy gem exclusive items
That's friggin insane! Each step designed to remove you from the thought you are spending real money...
edit: the part that really gets me - for some reason trading trash and duplicate items to gems is considered a good mechanic because it's giving "free" currency... oh sweet summer children.
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✭Yes. It's rather shameful they use big crown gems sums to sell these mounts making them less avaible to players base.6 -
mikikatze✭✭✭✭✭This is what Twitch drops are for. :P I've only used it since February and already got 300+ gems.
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✭As much as i agree, is it that hard to just ignore an offer and play the game without a hundret mounts?4 -
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✭✭✭As a non-crown store user I'm a little bit behind.
So there is now two premium currencies and a convoluted purchasing system?
1- You buy crowns with $$$
2- Convert to crates
3- Trade filler crate items to gems
4- Buy gem exclusive items
That's friggin insane! Each step designed to remove you from the thought you are spending real money...
You are kidding, right ?
The crates are an RNG system which is Optional. There is Nothing in any crate that any character absolutely ' Needs '. There is Nothing in any crate that gives a character any advantage over another character. And the "Gem Exclusive" items Can all show up during the RNG of the crate. So they are Not 'Gem Exclusive'.
Zos realized that during the receiving of the items from the crates, there would be stuff a player does not want. Additionally, there could be multiples of an item which was a collectible, and this would mean the player got Nothing if they already had that collectible.
So they came up with the Gems. The Gems are simply an option for the player to gain something positive if their particular RNG was bad that day. Rather than forcing players to stack and store hundreds of potions they will never use, you can convert those potions to Gems. Rather than getting Nothing for RNGing a collectible you already have, it automatically converts the item to Gems.
Every item in the crates is given a Gem Price. So, if you gain a number of Gems, you can specifically select something you do not already have.
The Gem system is your safety net. It is NOT the primary reason for obtaining items from crates. You don't buy crates for the gems. You buy crates to try and RNG an item you would really like. And if that fails, you get Gems, which you can save up to eventually simply purchase what you want. Every crate goes 'round in a cycle. Eventually they all come back around. Storm Atronach just showed up. Most of the collectibles for my account are grayed out because I got a lot the previous times - plural - these crates have been available.
It's not insane. It's not designed to make people forget they are spending real money. The Gems are your guarantee that if you have bad RNG you can still obtain the item(s) you want.
IMHO
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✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »its less annoying if it concerns a special out there mount; but this is a mount based off a "standard outfit"...really annoying. Whats it gonna cost? 400 gems or 500? thats probably at least 20-40k crowns you need to sell off? so what a 200 dollar mount? crazy
I'm missing the reason that someone who doesn't want it .... would buy it ? Or would feel any obligation whatsoever to 'need' it, or feel like they 'must' buy it.
If you don't like it, don't buy it.
what's the big deal?
IMHO
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✭✭✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »As a non-crown store user I'm a little bit behind.
So there is now two premium currencies and a convoluted purchasing system?
1- You buy crowns with $$$
2- Convert to crates
3- Trade filler crate items to gems
4- Buy gem exclusive items
That's friggin insane! Each step designed to remove you from the thought you are spending real money...
You are kidding, right ?
The crates are an RNG system which is Optional. There is Nothing in any crate that any character absolutely ' Needs '. There is Nothing in any crate that gives a character any advantage over another character. And the "Gem Exclusive" items Can all show up during the RNG of the crate. So they are Not 'Gem Exclusive'.
Zos realized that during the receiving of the items from the crates, there would be stuff a player does not want. Additionally, there could be multiples of an item which was a collectible, and this would mean the player got Nothing if they already had that collectible.
So they came up with the Gems. The Gems are simply an option for the player to gain something positive if their particular RNG was bad that day. Rather than forcing players to stack and store hundreds of potions they will never use, you can convert those potions to Gems. Rather than getting Nothing for RNGing a collectible you already have, it automatically converts the item to Gems.
Every item in the crates is given a Gem Price. So, if you gain a number of Gems, you can specifically select something you do not already have.
The Gem system is your safety net. It is NOT the primary reason for obtaining items from crates. You don't buy crates for the gems. You buy crates to try and RNG an item you would really like. And if that fails, you get Gems, which you can save up to eventually simply purchase what you want. Every crate goes 'round in a cycle. Eventually they all come back around. Storm Atronach just showed up. Most of the collectibles for my account are grayed out because I got a lot the previous times - plural - these crates have been available.
It's not insane. It's not designed to make people forget they are spending real money. The Gems are your guarantee that if you have bad RNG you can still obtain the item(s) you want.
IMHO
I think you are misinformed about "gem exclusives" The majority of items in the crates can be purchased for gems as a safety net (radiant apex and sweetroll excluded), however, ZOS does occasionally release items that can only be purchased for gems. They are not found in crates at all. These are the gem exclusives being discussed.15 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As a non-crown store user I'm a little bit behind.
So there is now two premium currencies and a convoluted purchasing system?
1- You buy crowns with $$$
2- Convert to crates
3- Trade filler crate items to gems
4- Buy gem exclusive items
That's friggin insane! Each step designed to remove you from the thought you are spending real money...
pretty much... and they probably alsobarney2525 wrote: »Nemesis7884 wrote: »its less annoying if it concerns a special out there mount; but this is a mount based off a "standard outfit"...really annoying. Whats it gonna cost? 400 gems or 500? thats probably at least 20-40k crowns you need to sell off? so what a 200 dollar mount? crazy
I'm missing the reason that someone who doesn't want it .... would buy it ? Or would feel any obligation whatsoever to 'need' it, or feel like they 'must' buy it.
If you don't like it, don't buy it.
what's the big deal?
IMHO
well of course but a) maybe someone was looking forward to the mount and cant or wont pay 200 bucks for it and b) this increasingly predatory moentization is very worrying9 -
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✭I lately had 500+ gems without paying $$.
Very few from the twitchstreams (watch the bethesda streams on fridays with your twitch account linked to the eso-account).
Most from grinding mats like crazy and selling stuff I craft with them, so I had enough gold to buy crates from a crownseller.
It is time-consuming, very timeconsuming, but I am glad to have this option, as I don't like to do vet dungeons where other fancy stuff like skins drops.
I however would no longer buy crates for real money, as spending real money is gambling in my view, and the drop rate of gems far too bad for the price (made that mistake once and am cured now).0 -
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✭✭The main reason for crown gem exclusive mounts is to drain the gems from a bulk of the players that have them in order to "encourage" them to buy more crates in the future instead of just grabbing the goods via crown gems.0 -
Protoavis73✭✭✭I had over 600 gems just by watching twitch streams and got myself a storm atronach mount. Sure it takes some time, but I never bought crown crates for it.0 -
kwando✭✭✭markulrich1966 wrote: »I lately had 500+ gems without paying $$.
Very few from the twitchstreams (watch the bethesda streams on fridays with your twitch account linked to the eso-account).
Most from grinding mats like crazy and selling stuff I craft with them, so I had enough gold to buy crates from a crownseller.
It is time-consuming, very timeconsuming, but I am glad to have this option, as I don't like to do vet dungeons where other fancy stuff like skins drops.
I however would no longer buy crates for real money, as spending real money is gambling in my view, and the drop rate of gems far too bad for the price (made that mistake once and am cured now).
It's strange how you would like to spend time grinding for something online but do not want to spend real money, you could also get a job earn REAL MONEY and spend it on the game. Hell you probably earn more working in real life than in game.3 -
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✭markulrich1966 wrote: »I lately had 500+ gems without paying $$.
Very few from the twitchstreams (watch the bethesda streams on fridays with your twitch account linked to the eso-account).
Most from grinding mats like crazy and selling stuff I craft with them, so I had enough gold to buy crates from a crownseller.
It is time-consuming, very timeconsuming, but I am glad to have this option, as I don't like to do vet dungeons where other fancy stuff like skins drops.
I however would no longer buy crates for real money, as spending real money is gambling in my view, and the drop rate of gems far too bad for the price (made that mistake once and am cured now).
It's strange how you would like to spend time grinding for something online but do not want to spend real money, you could also get a job earn REAL MONEY and spend it on the game. Hell you probably earn more working in real life than in game.
seems you don't understand the sense of gaming.
Concerning my income: Here in germany I am in the upper tax class.1 -
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✭✭✭I'm very sad. I wanted that watcher pet very much and I want this horse, but I a) have only 90-something gems, b) refuse to support such predatory practice. Why should I suffer because 0.5% of players hoarded too much gems? If it were for crowns, I would definitely buy it.
They should at least return proper crates (not preview) to daily rewards and ESO+ trial, or let us decon collectibles we don't want, if they want to continue with this crap.4 -
Acharnor✭✭✭✭It would be nice if more of the items were available for either crowns or hard earned gold. I prefer not to spend money on crates and the gem return rate is frankly pretty stingy. Was thrilled to be able to buy that sweet super muscled Khajit mount recently with crowns.Celebrate for life is short but sweet for certain.1 -
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✭I would buy crown crates if I could sell any mounts or items I dont want for gems.0 -
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✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »barney2525 wrote: »As a non-crown store user I'm a little bit behind.
So there is now two premium currencies and a convoluted purchasing system?
1- You buy crowns with $$$
2- Convert to crates
3- Trade filler crate items to gems
4- Buy gem exclusive items
That's friggin insane! Each step designed to remove you from the thought you are spending real money...
You are kidding, right ?
The crates are an RNG system which is Optional. There is Nothing in any crate that any character absolutely ' Needs '. There is Nothing in any crate that gives a character any advantage over another character. And the "Gem Exclusive" items Can all show up during the RNG of the crate. So they are Not 'Gem Exclusive'.
Zos realized that during the receiving of the items from the crates, there would be stuff a player does not want. Additionally, there could be multiples of an item which was a collectible, and this would mean the player got Nothing if they already had that collectible.
So they came up with the Gems. The Gems are simply an option for the player to gain something positive if their particular RNG was bad that day. Rather than forcing players to stack and store hundreds of potions they will never use, you can convert those potions to Gems. Rather than getting Nothing for RNGing a collectible you already have, it automatically converts the item to Gems.
Every item in the crates is given a Gem Price. So, if you gain a number of Gems, you can specifically select something you do not already have.
The Gem system is your safety net. It is NOT the primary reason for obtaining items from crates. You don't buy crates for the gems. You buy crates to try and RNG an item you would really like. And if that fails, you get Gems, which you can save up to eventually simply purchase what you want. Every crate goes 'round in a cycle. Eventually they all come back around. Storm Atronach just showed up. Most of the collectibles for my account are grayed out because I got a lot the previous times - plural - these crates have been available.
It's not insane. It's not designed to make people forget they are spending real money. The Gems are your guarantee that if you have bad RNG you can still obtain the item(s) you want.
IMHO
I think you are misinformed about "gem exclusives" The majority of items in the crates can be purchased for gems as a safety net (radiant apex and sweetroll excluded), however, ZOS does occasionally release items that can only be purchased for gems. They are not found in crates at all. These are the gem exclusives being discussed.
Right. I was sitting here wondering in what Crown crate the tiger-striped gem exclusive Senche-Raht mount was available in several months ago because I'm about 99.5% certain you had no other way to obtain it than to get to and cough up... I think it was 500 Crown gems, IIRC.
EDIT: Correction - it was 500 Crown gems and a timed-exclusive, so if you didn't already happen to have that many Crown gems saved up and really wanted it, hoo boy.Edited by DragonRacer on 5 May 2020 11:58PS5 NA. GM of The PTK's - a free trading guild (CP 500+). Also a werewolf, bites are free when they're available. PSN = DragonRacer132 -
FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Crown crates are a vile abhorrence - a twisted, supposedly ‘fun’ opportunity to spend real money on ‘random valueless’ rewards.
Crown gems are a currency only obtainable via the destruction of the items in crown crates, thus a double abhorrence.
I’d happily buy many of the items in crown crates if they were offered for sale for actual money.
Playing a loaded gambling game that deliberately stacks the odds against the user and actively seeks to conceal the true cost of items is not something I am interested in.
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worrallj✭✭✭✭✭The crown store is what holds this game back. The subscription is worthless- a craft bag? How about get all pop-up advertisements and paywall nonsense out of my face. The point of the subscription is supposed to be that you can just enjoy the game and not feel manipulated at every turn. They build deliberately annoying content to try and push sales; subscribers should not be subjected to it.5 -
furiouslog✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Crown crates are a vile abhorrence - a twisted, supposedly ‘fun’ opportunity to spend real money on ‘random valueless’ rewards.
Crown gems are a currency only obtainable via the destruction of the items in crown crates, thus a double abhorrence.
I’d happily buy many of the items in crown crates if they were offered for sale for actual money.
Playing a loaded gambling game that deliberately stacks the odds against the user and actively seeks to conceal the true cost of items is not something I am interested in.
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They would not do it if they were not making more money doing it this way. It's the fault of the community for responding positively to this strategy. Ultimately, you are not their target customer. The person willing to drop $150-200 on crates and constantly watch Twitch streams to get a single mount that would otherwise be priced at about 7000-12000 crowns is their target customer. That range comes is based on prior crate items that were subsequently put on the crown store.
If the Gloomspore Wolf were put up at 7000 crowns, would you buy it? Or would you say that it was not worth it? Let's say someone wants an apex mount, and ZOS wanted to make the same money from that mount as they make on crates. Drop rates are about 2% for an apex mount, across the board. So you'd expect to get one if you bought 50 crates. Let's be generous and say you'll probably get one (not necessarily the one you want, just one) at 45 crates. That's 150000 crowns. They would need to sell two mounts at 7500 crowns to make the same money. But it's not likely that people will buy that mount at that price, and there would be crazy complaining on the forums about the price. So they'd need to lower the price - 3600 is a price I've seen for some complex mounts (a price point that is also historically unpalatable to the community). Now they need to sell 5 mounts for each willing crate customer to improve on their crate strategy.
If they could do that, they already would have done it. They've put some pretty cool and fancy mounts on the crown store before. Obviously, not enough people buy them to close the crate revenue gap for a number of reasons. So here we are.Edited by ZOS_Volpe on 5 May 2020 15:290 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Crown gem exclusives are an issue but crown crate exclusives are not?
Think about that for a moment.1 -
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✭I really wish they would provide us with an alternative to buy the crown gem items with crowns instead. I have almost 20K crowns that I'm just holding because I don't know what to use them on (hoping to find a house that really catches my eye). But I would totally purchase some of the crown gem stuff with crowns if there was the option to do so. However, because I tend not to buy crown crates, I'm limited in the amount of gems I have. So it sucks when I see something I like, but don't have enough gems for.
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✭I said something similar about not buying it bc i'm unwilling to spend so much on Crowns to get Gems and called out their marketing department on the May Showcase thread but now my comment is not there for some reason... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Edited by Radiance on 5 May 2020 15:161 -
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✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »its less annoying if it concerns a special out there mount; but this is a mount based off a "standard outfit"...really annoying. Whats it gonna cost? 400 gems or 500? thats probably at least 20-40k crowns you need to sell off? so what a 200 dollar mount? crazy
Whats crazy is someone will spend their money on it.Edited by Nomadic_Atmoran on 5 May 2020 15:16Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry - Laerinel Rhaev - Enrerion - Caius Berilius - Seylina Ithvala - Signa Squallrider - H'Vak the GrimjawlYynril Rothvani - Tenarei Rhaev - Bathes-In-Coin - Dazsh Ro Khar - Aredyhel - Reads-To-Frogs - Azjani Ma'LesKheshna gra-Gharbuk - Gallisten Bondurant - Aban Shahid Bakr - Etain Maquier - Atsu Kalame - Faulpia Severinus3 -
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Possibly. Probably.Nemesis7884 wrote: »crown gem exclusives are really annoying
But that's how it goes, just like those ultra-rare cards in CCGs are "really annoying". Or special rewards people can get when doing something special, like go to a convention or buy from a special vendor... that are unavailable for those not within that country and such.
In the end, it all depends on what you think that thingie is worth.
Is it worth spending tons of crowns on crates now? If yes, then go and get it that way, but if no... then just shrug and move on, -just- like when you walk past something really nifty but way out of your price range in a shop window.
Alternately you could always bvuy extra crown crates so that you might have a pile of crown gems to spend on the chance something might come up in a showcase... sometime in the future.
In the end, its just one more mechanic to make people spend more then they should by adding one further level of disconnection from "real" money...
...which simply happens to work often enough to make it profitable to use. I know it worled on me too once upon a time (tho I did have a big pile of crown gems lying round from prior cratings, so...).
And yes, I too wish they would not go there, but instead just put -everything- into the crown store and make the crates entirely optional, but alas... not my decision.0
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