SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

WoW wasn't "such a huge game" before, it was an underdog made by a company with no prior knowledge to MMO development, and was generally laughed at prior to its release and deemed a failure.

It's easy to forget that WoW didn't start out as a massive MMO.

Get over it, this game killed itself.

And you are still posting in it's forum… makes sense.

OP: We already do a fair amount of the nostalgic vs. horror stories of "back in the day" in this game, well any of us that have been here since Beta, so we don't need 10 years.

My favorite is field deployed oil pots… ><

Uviryth wrote: »

mmorpg`s tend not to die that easily.
DaoC, LotrO, TSW, STO, they are all still active, DaoC for 16 years and counting.
ESO I don`t know. Its greatest feature is the amazing graphics and graphics tend to age badly.
We will see. Right now I´m still having a blast.

Ea's WaR? Star Wars galaxies? Asherons call 2? Those are a few off the top of my head that were very popular and died easily. Problem is many gaming companies pop out an mmo, cash in on the launch and the abandon the game or don't understand sustainment models.

Eso is a good game but it has serious problems. They can't fix the lag which is destroying their business model of using Mega servers. They are releasing pvp content too slowly. No arenas, no ladder system, no real leaderboards, no esports, no tournaments, no out of game rewards. They didn't target the Korean Asian markets and are stove piping themselves to the west. Yet everyone knows Korea is where its at for video games. They can't seem to balance classes and releasing new classes are not even in their radar for fear of balancing issues. They released a new dlc with passives that provide nothing for combat and are novelties at best. No player housing when games like bdo are releasing it at launch with it built in. They make false claims about what they plan to do and then back peddle like it never happened (e.g., spell crafting). They get the fan base excited over s million dollar giveaway yet when the time comes they don't capitalize on their marketing and ignore the sweepstakes like it never happened. Only to find out about the winner tucked away on their website. They don't have in game events sponsored by the devs. They claim this is a living breathing world but nothing ever random happens in it. Wouldn't it be cool if molog ball randomly showed up smack in the middle of cyrodil and everyone had to work together to kill him? Or maybe another God?

And this is just off the top of my head why this game will never live up to its hype.

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joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

They can't fix the lag which is destroying their business model of using Mega servers.

Just a point. While I think that lag is the most serious issue that ZOS faces, I am pretty sure that each campaign is on a single dedicated server such that the megaserver is essentially a fancy lobby for the PVP folks. The lag is not due to megaserver vs separate servers.

As for class balance, race balance, stam-magicka balance, etc, I think lag is by far the more important thing to address.

It's difficult to say. The thing is with video games the market changes all the time. Audiences always want more, always want better. MMOs are the trickiest I imagine since they have to balance the content for the various types of people playing them. Don't get me wrong though, I would love to see this game and any game I enjoy last as long as it can, but no one can predict the future.

Destiny came out with a '10-year plan' for what they wanted to do with the game and it hasn't been spared criticism or bumps in the road. Despite that it will probably manage to continue and change accordingly. ESO started off wobbly from what I remember and it had a fair amount of mud slung at it, but it adapted and got to where it is today. I think that's impressive.
WildStar tried to become the 'WoW-killer' and although it started off okay it flopped massively and went into life support mode. It's survival is anyone's guess. That's what I mean about unpredictability.

As for 'mistakes' being forgiven, if fans love a game that much they will forgive and forget. Those that don't will eventually leave and find something else. I hope to stay for a long time, as I seem to have finally found an MMO that I like all aspects of; lore, races, environment, graphics and combat. I know the game has its issues, but I'll place some faith in the devs to pull it together. If ESO is here in 10 years - hell if I'm here in 10 years - then I'll be here.

Maybe I rambled a little too much there and I hope my post didn't come off as negative.

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Uviryth wrote: »

mmorpg`s tend not to die that easily.
DaoC, LotrO, TSW, STO, they are all still active, DaoC for 16 years and counting.
ESO I don`t know. Its greatest feature is the amazing graphics and graphics tend to age badly.
We will see. Right now I´m still having a blast.

Ea's WaR? Star Wars galaxies? Asherons call 2? Those are a few off the top of my head that were very popular and died easily. Problem is many gaming companies pop out an mmo, cash in on the launch and the abandon the game or don't understand sustainment models.

Eso is a good game but it has serious problems. They can't fix the lag which is destroying their business model of using Mega servers. They are releasing pvp content too slowly. No arenas, no ladder system, no real leaderboards, no esports, no tournaments, no out of game rewards. They didn't target the Korean Asian markets and are stove piping themselves to the west. Yet everyone knows Korea is where its at for video games. They can't seem to balance classes and releasing new classes are not even in their radar for fear of balancing issues. They released a new dlc with passives that provide nothing for combat and are novelties at best. No player housing when games like bdo are releasing it at launch with it built in. They make false claims about what they plan to do and then back peddle like it never happened (e.g., spell crafting). They get the fan base excited over s million dollar giveaway yet when the time comes they don't capitalize on their marketing and ignore the sweepstakes like it never happened. Only to find out about the winner tucked away on their website. They don't have in game events sponsored by the devs. They claim this is a living breathing world but nothing ever random happens in it. Wouldn't it be cool if molog ball randomly showed up smack in the middle of cyrodil and everyone had to work together to kill him? Or maybe another God?

And this is just off the top of my head why this game will never live up to its hype.

You must not have played SWG. It was very popular yes but they made some bad decisions later that pretty much killed their user base. Even that didnt shut them down tho. It took the ending of their license agreement to do that which happened right before SWTOR came out. Lucas Arts (at the time the owner of the IP) was convinced to not renew sony's deal. They were worried two star wars mmos might not be good for business.

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Jaemeson_Foster wrote: »

It's entertaining but also sad how any people think WoW started off the way it is today. WoW didn't gain traction until TBC. Vanilla was what, two years? Every game starts somewhere, some people think it's effective to compare a new game to a well established game. Compare this game at 2 years to wow at 2 years and it's the same damn thing, guys.

No it isn't the same thing. There wasn't as many MMO players in 2004 as there are today.

Some could argue WoW made MMO more streamlined as well and set the opening bar to get more players into an MMO - because even though vanilla WoW was no joke, MMOs before it were a bit more 'hardcore'.

WoW had a very successful launch, impressing most published reviewers with a medium score over 90% and by 2005 had a playerbase over 2 million.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/276601/number-of-world-of-warcraft-subscribers-by-quarter/

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

In 10 years time khajiit hopes to be sitting in Elsweyr, on a mountain of stolen yarn, in a palace made of sweetrolls, surrounded by many elven servants.



Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Don't forget the skooma tons of skooma

Everquest (1) is nearly 20 years old.

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

WoW wasn't "such a huge game" before, it was an underdog made by a copany with no prior knowledge to MMO development, and was generally laughed at prior to its release and deemed a failure.

It's easy to forget that WoW didn't start out as a massive MMO.

Get over it, this game killed itself.

Seems like you should heed your own advice. Or is posting negativity in every thread of a game you hate/no longer play, what the kiddies do for fun these days?

Kiddies? Kiddies are the ones forgiving every single mistake Zos makes.

I've been around games for too long to let a few mistakes bother me, as long as I enjoy the overall experience, I'll survive the odd flaws here and there. Heck, if I would demand a flawless game, I would never play any of Bethesda's game at all, they're riddled with flaws and bugs. But the overall experience and enjoyment is great, so I forgive those mistakes.

"Few mistakes" LOL You people would forgive anything.

You really need to get your perspectives into order, and do take a few trolling courses, it's been amusing but I guess I've fed you enough for now

Well zos have fed you enough it seems

The ultimate troll is...he's still here and likely playing. Because posting on a forum all day for a game he quit would just be sad.