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So in 10 years...
Jaemeson_Foster
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Do you think we'll be telling wide eyed new players about the glory days of the OG eso? It's a fun thought.
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vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It is a fun thought. Mostly because I have no idea what they could do that would keep me here that long.12 -
khele23eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Doubt it.P2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.1 -
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✭What glory days? It was marginally better at launch and progressively getting worse with each update.22 -
Jaemeson_Foster✭✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »What glory days? It was marginally better at launch and progressively getting worse with each update.
Why are you here?13 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I quit playing for a while when IC came out. Looks like I wasnt alone. Orsinium brought me back and I actually renewed my plus membership. I hadnt paid them a dime since the b2p switch. Orsinium and now TG is the right direction for this game. The dream of turning it into some kind of hardcore pvp game is dead and buried. IC sunk that ship.13 -
Jaemeson_Foster✭✭✭So it appears this general forum is just as bad as every other general forum... "oh no better go visit the forums to a game I don't like so I can bash it!"7
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✭✭✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »
WoWs population is/was how big?
Not that im saying eso wont make 10 years, im just saying basing it off the largest game of this type might not be the way to go.1 -
Necrelios✭✭✭✭✭10 Years is a good stretch of time where anything could happen, but if I have internet and electricity in my fallout shelter you can bet I'll be playing ESO if the servers haven't been nuked yet. Or provided ZoS's invincible AI scripting hasn't leaked out to infect the various robots of the world causing the great robot uprising of 2021.Edited by Necrelios on 9 March 2016 05:47Terms & Conditions ["We revoke permission to fictional legal constructs or private/public persons for selling of any private data, censorship, surveillance, personage or conversion as a trespass of law. We prohibit the practice of "procedural law" or corporate statues in place of divine law."]6 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ESO is cheap to run. No IP to pay for or license to worry about. Zenimax owns all the lore.5 -
Uviryth✭✭✭✭✭mmorpg`s tend not to die that easily.
DaoC, LotrO, TSW, STO, they are all still active, DaoC for 16 years and counting.
ESO I don`t know. Its greatest feature is the amazing graphics and graphics tend to age badly.
We will see. Right now I´m still having a blast.4 -
Selstad✭✭✭✭A good game can last for a very long time. EVE Online per example? Or World of Warcraft? Or Everquest 2? It just depends on how well the game is made and how devoted the fan base are.
Elder scrolls has a massive fan base, and it has the potentials. Zenimax has made some rather nice improvements since launch, but there's still some kinks that should have been ironed out, such as the dismal AH system they insist on and the UI, I'm not against minimalistic UI but ESO out of the box takes it to the extreme at times.
Will ESO be here in 10 years? Who knows. It doesn't help speculating either because the factors that decide that, are numerous and somewhat out of our control. For all we know, there might be an upcoming MMO collapse that none foresaw, or there might come an MMO that blows away all competition. We don't know. ESO will be here as long as it's profitable, that's about the biggest certainty there is.
Will I in the eventuality that ESO is here, look back at the "old days" and remember them fondly? I already do, but that's more to nostalgia and the "first" feeling when playing a new MMO. I still remember my first tentative steps in Mulgore in WoW, and how much I loved that. We can of course say that Vanilla WoW had a MASSIVE amount of problems (such as floating quest monsters that dropped items that you couldn't reach because flying wasn't invented). But still, doesn't overshadow that nostalgic feeling when first playing an MMO, and I have that for ESO too, that sense of wonder, exploration, sense of not knowing what will happen and what you will see around the next corner. For me at least, I remember that, and I remember it fondly.3 -
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✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »
WoWs population is/was how big?
Not that im saying eso wont make 10 years, im just saying basing it off the largest game of this type might not be the way to go.
WoW subs peaked around 12 Million during WoTLK and went in slow decline ever since. The last numbers released by Blizzard showed subscriptions below 6 Million. They've since said they are no longer going to release subscription numbers because they believe it no longer gives an accurate representation of how many play.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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✭✭Lol Eso has hardly held me here for 1 year (console).
As soon as VR come's out im outta here.
Eso is an MMO that has no clue what to do. They try to fix things and break more things. Once things are broken they take months to fix. Its such a joke honestly.
I log on Eso because of the friends i have made in game. If it were not for them i would never log in again.
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Caza99✭✭✭✭At the rate ESO is going, very few of the current player base will be here in 10 years if ESO is even still around in 10 years...PC NA - @MercerESO1 -
SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭ESO is not a good game, at all. It had the potential to be something huge but now only casuals enjoy it.
Id be surprised if it would still be alive in 2 years.Edited by SemiD4rkness on 10 March 2016 12:473 -
Selstad✭✭✭✭Sorry to laugh a bit SemiD4rkness, but I strangely remember someone saying the same thing about WoW back in Vanilla; A game only casual players enjoy and that it wouldn't survive the first couple of years. It's a bit fun reading the negatives around WoW prior to and after its release
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SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭Sorry to laugh a bit SemiD4rkness, but I strangely remember someone saying the same thing about WoW back in Vanilla; A game only casual players enjoy and that it wouldn't survive the first couple of years. It's a bit fun reading the negatives around WoW prior to and after its release
You just can't compare such a huge game with ESO lol, time will prove me right.2 -
Selstad✭✭✭✭WoW wasn't "such a huge game" before, it was an underdog made by a company with no prior knowledge to MMO development, and was generally laughed at prior to its release and deemed a failure.
It's easy to forget that WoW didn't start out as a massive MMO.7 -
dennissomb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭many of the early MMOs are still going well past 10 years old. AC, Everquest, DAOC just to name a few. Sure they have small populations and in some cases new owners but they still chug along2
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Morozov✭✭✭Jaemeson_Foster wrote: »So it appears this general forum is just as bad as every other general forum... "oh no better go visit the forums to a game I don't like so I can bash it!"
for some yes, for me, I like this game! However I have watched its steady decline for quite some time now. I have played since beta and was here at launch. Over time, its been the same issues repeated and bad coding pushed to live because heaven forbid we not meet our marketing deadline to make sure things work properly.
so..."in 10 years"? with 2016 bringing competition to the MMO scene, ESO had better step up its game by producing good content to keep it a float. By "good content" I mean content which works when you play it.AD
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SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭WoW wasn't "such a huge game" before, it was an underdog made by a company with no prior knowledge to MMO development, and was generally laughed at prior to its release and deemed a failure.
It's easy to forget that WoW didn't start out as a massive MMO.
Get over it, this game killed itself.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The thing is the disgruntled players raging and leaving a majority PvP players. There are still thousands of casual players and PvE players who just log in and keep having fun.
The game will have a steady turnover as well, many big names I knew left a long time ago and the game didn't die. 10 years is a long time for an MMO, and honestly we won't know until we get there. As it stands though me and my friends I play with have no desire to lave, we play the new content, mess around in the old and generally have fun.
Even in the "terrible/ruined/dead" PvP, we log in, go kill some people, get killed, experience some lag, moan a bit, get some more kills, laugh.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Selstad✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »WoW wasn't "such a huge game" before, it was an underdog made by a company with no prior knowledge to MMO development, and was generally laughed at prior to its release and deemed a failure.
It's easy to forget that WoW didn't start out as a massive MMO.
Get over it, this game killed itself.
I might have it wrong but, doesn't "kill" imply that something is dead? And since you're saying "the game killed itself", you're implying the game is dead. But, I log in, I play it, I see others playing it as well. Might it be that "killed itself" in this case, is wrong?
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xellink✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »WoW wasn't "such a huge game" before, it was an underdog made by a company with no prior knowledge to MMO development, and was generally laughed at prior to its release and deemed a failure.
It's easy to forget that WoW didn't start out as a massive MMO.
Get over it, this game killed itself.
Games that start slow last longer. Games that lack complexity have little bugs but they don't intrigue you for long. I know people still playing oblivion until the release of skyrim.
An example of a game with loads of hype was NWN2. NWN was out in 2002, it grew big, had multiple expansions. The developers got ambitious. They created NWN2. After all it couldn't fail... NWN2 was released in 2006 and the initial reviewes were superb.
Check out wiki: It received GameSpot's "Best Story" award for 2006, beating out the reader's choice, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion.
I preordered the game. It had all the goodness of NWN and probably the only good DnD 3.5e game on the market. It also came with its own level editor, hoping players from NWN will use its more advanced level editor and recreate the whole new persistent world/endless adventure model. There was so much hype. If NWN which grew popular slowly lasted till NWN2, I would expect NWN2 to last maybe 5 years at least?
The game died. It died despite having expansions, HD mods, customisation options, player created content and premium paid content. Too much hype can kill a game.2 -
Birdovic✭✭✭✭✭Those WoW x ESO comparisons arent perfectly precise, but also not "too wrong" aswell.
Both had to start somehow, and both had to face problems for sure (similar, mmo based problems, also!)
The thing is, some people will always be talking bad about the game they play, because its not developing the way they wished it did.
As for me, there often is some questionable "Balancing" going on, which I dont like. But in the end I still love the game, how couldnt I if I love the lore and this being the perfect place to learn even more about it (apart from some "small" lore errors ofc lol).
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