SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Any person in the game can clear vMaelstrom within 1 hour. +-10 minutes.

If you can't then it's an L2P issue.

No save function needed.

Elitism at its best, the game is about enjoyment for many types of players, not a certain calibre of player dictating what is what to everyone else.

Just remembered killing you in PvP a few times, no offence, but you suck in PvP:}

Hows the high horse now?

I love how ignorant this post is. Calling someone elitest, i love how many people throw that word around actually, then you say that he sucks in PvP and you killed him, like you were so insulted by his post you threw around attacks like that, it's great.

Then again he is right Maelstrom is totally an L2P issue, its tough to beat it but each time it gets easier and easier. You have to work for it, not get it handed to you.

@code65536 They said something along the lines of Veteran being the main challenge and they didnt want people to get the weapons so easily, I don't have the exact quote but normal is for just doing the content and veteran is for the challenge and I dont think they are going to change their minds on that. (just paraphrasing)

Elitist*

And I was making the point that people like him do not govern how this game works, and the PvP part was put in deliberately to show him when he reads it and feels possibly bad about it, the lesson that many of the player base who reads his post will not like what he has to say.

Mirror effect.

So clearly you did not get it.

Many actually have lives outside of the game and cannot spend hours solid on the game, what about them? they want to do the content and they should and could, so why not be able to save progress instead of going through the same grind all over again.

Many again do not care about leaderboards, they want the title,. so your lot can have your precious leaderboards etc and not feel threated by da casuals:} so everyone is happy.

It's sad that people like you exist in this game, I'm sure @Xantaria is going to enjoy the taste of your tears


Stop being so self centered, just because something isn't going your way doesn't mean the rest of the people should suffer. Take the time to learn it and progress, it's a game after all not like the content is going anywhere. Just because you don't like leaderboards doesn't mean everyone hates them too.

You're basically asking everything to be handed for you with no work towards it. Maybe put the effort for the title like all the rest of the people have, it isn't meant to be easy to get you know?

@Nifty2g
I did intend to harvest some salt with my post and I had a huge grin on my face when reading what he wrote. :')

Awwww elitists banding together, so sweet, feel threatened much?, lol, just lol

Chillout man (kid?), Nothing to be mad about. It's funny though that you are literally getting angry about something people write in a random game forum. Maybe it's you taking gaming too serious and not me. In other words: Respect my opinion, I respect yours aswell. I did not attack you for being a casual or whatever person you are whereas you immediatly started bashing and insulting me for being an 'eletist jerk' according to your opinion. Enough tears harvested, gotta get back to work.

Actually, you branded everyoen with the l2p bracket, and implying all were casuals and noobs for not doing vma in a hour or so, that is what I took objection too, and have others in this thread, maybe you did not realise you were being a *** but you were.

So you basically attacked every single player who either cannot do it or do it in the time you stipulated, its all there in what you wrote.

Hardly respectful of the must vaster playerbase, and I put in my comments to show you exactly how some others will feel.

And your mate well, its obvious he loves you, might be a thing there, something got under his skin.....

Elitists only respect other elitists, never anyone else, IMO

Edit, who said I was angry, I just do not like seeing people being put down so people can lord it all over them, so much you and your "friend" have wrong

Respect is only given when the respect is mutual. Your disrespect towards nifty and xantaria is so blatant it just makes me laugh at how self-righteous you think you are.

Going on about 'people with normal lives'. What is normal? Are you part of those teenagers that run around saying 'LOL HE PLAYS GAMES WHAT A NO LIFER'?

Time is essential in what gates content to be difficult. If someone went through the hard work to learn the stages and eventually complete it with enough practice in a reasonable time window, he should be awarded with the title etc etc. If then a save function gets implemented and people just start smashing their heads against the metaphorical wall until they complete it after weeks, not having actually progressed at getting better at the previous stages. This makes the achievement entirely void because the effort put into it is then 'less skillful'.

With enough chance and luck you'll pass any stage after spending enough time on it, which is why the save function would simplify the content too much.

Well to be fair, Xantaria started it with the arrogant post he put about everyone l2p and I posted to him, and then nifty started on me, so it was begun there.

And for the record, what you think of me means nothing, you do not get it.

I have put many times about the ability to save progress due to real life constraints, not lack of skill or learning etc

Try reading

Thanks

Real life constraints are not a valid excuse.

If you actively practice when you have the time, the stages will get easier over time. Let's say, hypothetically speaking, you died 20 times in stage 1 the first time you tried it. Then you played more often and started to clear it with 10 deaths, 5 deaths, and finally 0 deaths. The better you get at each individual stage cuts off a lot of time in the overall picture.

It does not matter if you have real life constraints. Everybody does to some extent. As you learn the stages properly, your runs will become a lot faster. Maybe the first time you took an hour to get to stage 4. After enough repition of stage 1-4 you will end up coming at stage 4 in maybe 15 minutes. You will then reliably be able to get to stage 5 fast enough to start practicing there, and finally will be able to clear the arena in roughly an hour.

Practice makes perfect. Or do you expect me to believe you're such a busy-body that you get caught up in 'real-life constraints' in hourly intervals?

Xantaria wrote: »

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

WolfingHour wrote: »

L2P is a misdirection - having less people versed in the whole trial benefits the pseudo L2P lobbyists since it will increase the number of slots for them to put their multiple characters in and reap the rewards at the end of the week.

The only reason people chuck around "L2P" on an MMO forum is because the only way they can devalue an opinion is by basically calling the person with it a noob.

In reality everyone is learning to play, even the pro's are still learning to play and better themselves and have learned to play to get where they are as they weren't awesome players overnight.

Telling someone to L2P is a baseless argument.

You know ... Let's see it like this: people who clear this in an hour learned to play to be on that level whereas somebody who is not even clearing it on 5 hours and then complains is refusing to learn to play to raise to the level other players are.

Nobody here is refusing to learn to play, this thread isn't asking for nerfs to the actual content just for progress to be saved so they don't have to sit in front of the screen for 5+ hours out of fear in if they log out they lose progress. The fight is still going to be just as hard when they log back in and they still have to learn how to beat the fight.

You're just telling people to L2P because they just want to come back to something later, how is you're argument valid?

Alucardo wrote: »

If you care anything about health, then 45-50 minutes is a good time to take a break and walk around. For those screaming it's a "L2P" issue, then you're full of it.
If you're doing the vMA for the first time, then I'm sorry, but it's going to take you a hell of a lot longer than an hour, so for newer players trying it out, there is no mercy. Do not tell me that beginning on normal mode is a good place to start either, because the change in difficulty is so extreme it's like a whole different arena.
There needs to be some kind of checkpoint in the middle for people who actually care about health and not straining themselves to extreme measures.
Gtfo of here with your L2P B.S.

There is a 15 minute safe timer anyways. enough time to walk your dog / eat / brush your teeth / shower or whatever. You are allowed to care about your health and your argument is not valid.

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Any person in the game can clear vMaelstrom within 1 hour. +-10 minutes.

If you can't then it's an L2P issue.

No save function needed.

Elitism at its best, the game is about enjoyment for many types of players, not a certain calibre of player dictating what is what to everyone else.

Just remembered killing you in PvP a few times, no offence, but you suck in PvP:}

Hows the high horse now?

I love how ignorant this post is. Calling someone elitest, i love how many people throw that word around actually, then you say that he sucks in PvP and you killed him, like you were so insulted by his post you threw around attacks like that, it's great.

Then again he is right Maelstrom is totally an L2P issue, its tough to beat it but each time it gets easier and easier. You have to work for it, not get it handed to you.

@code65536 They said something along the lines of Veteran being the main challenge and they didnt want people to get the weapons so easily, I don't have the exact quote but normal is for just doing the content and veteran is for the challenge and I dont think they are going to change their minds on that. (just paraphrasing)

Elitist*

And I was making the point that people like him do not govern how this game works, and the PvP part was put in deliberately to show him when he reads it and feels possibly bad about it, the lesson that many of the player base who reads his post will not like what he has to say.

Mirror effect.

So clearly you did not get it.

Many actually have lives outside of the game and cannot spend hours solid on the game, what about them? they want to do the content and they should and could, so why not be able to save progress instead of going through the same grind all over again.

Many again do not care about leaderboards, they want the title,. so your lot can have your precious leaderboards etc and not feel threated by da casuals:} so everyone is happy.

It's sad that people like you exist in this game, I'm sure @Xantaria is going to enjoy the taste of your tears


Stop being so self centered, just because something isn't going your way doesn't mean the rest of the people should suffer. Take the time to learn it and progress, it's a game after all not like the content is going anywhere. Just because you don't like leaderboards doesn't mean everyone hates them too.

You're basically asking everything to be handed for you with no work towards it. Maybe put the effort for the title like all the rest of the people have, it isn't meant to be easy to get you know?

@Nifty2g
I did intend to harvest some salt with my post and I had a huge grin on my face when reading what he wrote. :')

Awwww elitists banding together, so sweet, feel threatened much?, lol, just lol

Chillout man (kid?), Nothing to be mad about. It's funny though that you are literally getting angry about something people write in a random game forum. Maybe it's you taking gaming too serious and not me. In other words: Respect my opinion, I respect yours aswell. I did not attack you for being a casual or whatever person you are whereas you immediatly started bashing and insulting me for being an 'eletist jerk' according to your opinion. Enough tears harvested, gotta get back to work.

Actually, you branded everyoen with the l2p bracket, and implying all were casuals and noobs for not doing vma in a hour or so, that is what I took objection too, and have others in this thread, maybe you did not realise you were being a *** but you were.

So you basically attacked every single player who either cannot do it or do it in the time you stipulated, its all there in what you wrote.

Hardly respectful of the must vaster playerbase, and I put in my comments to show you exactly how some others will feel.

And your mate well, its obvious he loves you, might be a thing there, something got under his skin.....

Elitists only respect other elitists, never anyone else, IMO

Edit, who said I was angry, I just do not like seeing people being put down so people can lord it all over them, so much you and your "friend" have wrong

Respect is only given when the respect is mutual. Your disrespect towards nifty and xantaria is so blatant it just makes me laugh at how self-righteous you think you are.

Going on about 'people with normal lives'. What is normal? Are you part of those teenagers that run around saying 'LOL HE PLAYS GAMES WHAT A NO LIFER'?

Time is essential in what gates content to be difficult. If someone went through the hard work to learn the stages and eventually complete it with enough practice in a reasonable time window, he should be awarded with the title etc etc. If then a save function gets implemented and people just start smashing their heads against the metaphorical wall until they complete it after weeks, not having actually progressed at getting better at the previous stages. This makes the achievement entirely void because the effort put into it is then 'less skillful'.

With enough chance and luck you'll pass any stage after spending enough time on it, which is why the save function would simplify the content too much.

Well to be fair, Xantaria started it with the arrogant post he put about everyone l2p and I posted to him, and then nifty started on me, so it was begun there.

And for the record, what you think of me means nothing, you do not get it.

I have put many times about the ability to save progress due to real life constraints, not lack of skill or learning etc

Try reading

Thanks

Real life constraints are not a valid excuse.

If you actively practice when you have the time, the stages will get easier over time. Let's say, hypothetically speaking, you died 20 times in stage 1 the first time you tried it. Then you played more often and started to clear it with 10 deaths, 5 deaths, and finally 0 deaths. The better you get at each individual stage cuts off a lot of time in the overall picture.

It does not matter if you have real life constraints. Everybody does to some extent. As you learn the stages properly, your runs will become a lot faster. Maybe the first time you took an hour to get to stage 4. After enough repition of stage 1-4 you will end up coming at stage 4 in maybe 15 minutes. You will then reliably be able to get to stage 5 fast enough to start practicing there, and finally will be able to clear the arena in roughly an hour.

Practice makes perfect. Or do you expect me to believe you're such a busy-body that you get caught up in 'real-life constraints' in hourly intervals?

Lol I see what you are saying, but real life constaints is not a valid excuse? ok so my pet budgie should just die, or my dog should just defecate all over the house, or any one of a million things, the kids should just starve, etc etc.

As myself and others have said, repeatedly, it is not a case of practise, or lack of skill or anything, you are actually meant to take breaks from the PC, although we do not all do it hehehe, but health wise ya are meant too, plus a drink or a sammich or soemthing, so according to you I should not do any of these things?

It is just a save , will the world stop revolving?, will the sun refuse to shine because of such a horrendous option?

And for the record, I do not expect nor care if you believe anything, so not sure why you are saying I expect you to do anything.

You got your opinion, I got mine.

If you're not willing to invest the time without longer than 15 minutes breaks then you do not deserve the achievement of completing it. You're not willing to dedicate your resources to it ---> sorry.

Dymence pointed out pretty much exactly why this would simplify the challenge.

If you want to beat the hardest challenge a game has to offer you have to take your time and do it. If you can't even have enough time because every hour your dog dies of starvation or whatever then it's simply not made for you to complete this. You have way more important things than a game to worry about then anyways.

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

If you care anything about health, then 45-50 minutes is a good time to take a break and walk around. For those screaming it's a "L2P" issue, then you're full of it.
If you're doing the vMA for the first time, then I'm sorry, but it's going to take you a hell of a lot longer than an hour, so for newer players trying it out, there is no mercy. Do not tell me that beginning on normal mode is a good place to start either, because the change in difficulty is so extreme it's like a whole different arena.
There needs to be some kind of checkpoint in the middle for people who actually care about health and not straining themselves to extreme measures.
Gtfo of here with your L2P B.S.

There is a 15 minute safe timer anyways. enough time to walk your dog / eat / brush your teeth / shower or whatever.

dude sometimes I am in the toilet for like 20 or so mins., ya know, chilling.

This is what I been trying to say all through this thread, then a mini war with you and nifty, is its just a game, and its just as save, people are still gonna have to fight their way through it.

I have not once said that nerfs or easier content for vmsa, not once, so @Nifty2g read this again,., i said save function, and people still need to learn to play effectively through vma
We are not taking from the ones who have done it, or your weekly gold rewards, it is just a save function.

I just dont believe a save function provides any type of learning for what they wanted this content to be. It's a progression, saving it removes that progression and you get an easy clear.
It took me 4 runs where I had to stop and come back to it and as @Dymence pointed out you do it faster and faster and understand mechanics easier that way rather than saving it and continuing where you left off

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Any person in the game can clear vMaelstrom within 1 hour. +-10 minutes.

If you can't then it's an L2P issue.

No save function needed.

Elitism at its best, the game is about enjoyment for many types of players, not a certain calibre of player dictating what is what to everyone else.

Just remembered killing you in PvP a few times, no offence, but you suck in PvP:}

Hows the high horse now?

I love how ignorant this post is. Calling someone elitest, i love how many people throw that word around actually, then you say that he sucks in PvP and you killed him, like you were so insulted by his post you threw around attacks like that, it's great.

Then again he is right Maelstrom is totally an L2P issue, its tough to beat it but each time it gets easier and easier. You have to work for it, not get it handed to you.

@code65536 They said something along the lines of Veteran being the main challenge and they didnt want people to get the weapons so easily, I don't have the exact quote but normal is for just doing the content and veteran is for the challenge and I dont think they are going to change their minds on that. (just paraphrasing)

Elitist*

And I was making the point that people like him do not govern how this game works, and the PvP part was put in deliberately to show him when he reads it and feels possibly bad about it, the lesson that many of the player base who reads his post will not like what he has to say.

Mirror effect.

So clearly you did not get it.

Many actually have lives outside of the game and cannot spend hours solid on the game, what about them? they want to do the content and they should and could, so why not be able to save progress instead of going through the same grind all over again.

Many again do not care about leaderboards, they want the title,. so your lot can have your precious leaderboards etc and not feel threated by da casuals:} so everyone is happy.

It's sad that people like you exist in this game, I'm sure @Xantaria is going to enjoy the taste of your tears


Stop being so self centered, just because something isn't going your way doesn't mean the rest of the people should suffer. Take the time to learn it and progress, it's a game after all not like the content is going anywhere. Just because you don't like leaderboards doesn't mean everyone hates them too.

You're basically asking everything to be handed for you with no work towards it. Maybe put the effort for the title like all the rest of the people have, it isn't meant to be easy to get you know?

@Nifty2g
I did intend to harvest some salt with my post and I had a huge grin on my face when reading what he wrote. :')

Awwww elitists banding together, so sweet, feel threatened much?, lol, just lol

Chillout man (kid?), Nothing to be mad about. It's funny though that you are literally getting angry about something people write in a random game forum. Maybe it's you taking gaming too serious and not me. In other words: Respect my opinion, I respect yours aswell. I did not attack you for being a casual or whatever person you are whereas you immediatly started bashing and insulting me for being an 'eletist jerk' according to your opinion. Enough tears harvested, gotta get back to work.

Actually, you branded everyoen with the l2p bracket, and implying all were casuals and noobs for not doing vma in a hour or so, that is what I took objection too, and have others in this thread, maybe you did not realise you were being a *** but you were.

So you basically attacked every single player who either cannot do it or do it in the time you stipulated, its all there in what you wrote.

Hardly respectful of the must vaster playerbase, and I put in my comments to show you exactly how some others will feel.

And your mate well, its obvious he loves you, might be a thing there, something got under his skin.....

Elitists only respect other elitists, never anyone else, IMO

Edit, who said I was angry, I just do not like seeing people being put down so people can lord it all over them, so much you and your "friend" have wrong

Respect is only given when the respect is mutual. Your disrespect towards nifty and xantaria is so blatant it just makes me laugh at how self-righteous you think you are.

Going on about 'people with normal lives'. What is normal? Are you part of those teenagers that run around saying 'LOL HE PLAYS GAMES WHAT A NO LIFER'?

Time is essential in what gates content to be difficult. If someone went through the hard work to learn the stages and eventually complete it with enough practice in a reasonable time window, he should be awarded with the title etc etc. If then a save function gets implemented and people just start smashing their heads against the metaphorical wall until they complete it after weeks, not having actually progressed at getting better at the previous stages. This makes the achievement entirely void because the effort put into it is then 'less skillful'.

With enough chance and luck you'll pass any stage after spending enough time on it, which is why the save function would simplify the content too much.

Well to be fair, Xantaria started it with the arrogant post he put about everyone l2p and I posted to him, and then nifty started on me, so it was begun there.

And for the record, what you think of me means nothing, you do not get it.

I have put many times about the ability to save progress due to real life constraints, not lack of skill or learning etc

Try reading

Thanks

Real life constraints are not a valid excuse.

If you actively practice when you have the time, the stages will get easier over time. Let's say, hypothetically speaking, you died 20 times in stage 1 the first time you tried it. Then you played more often and started to clear it with 10 deaths, 5 deaths, and finally 0 deaths. The better you get at each individual stage cuts off a lot of time in the overall picture.

It does not matter if you have real life constraints. Everybody does to some extent. As you learn the stages properly, your runs will become a lot faster. Maybe the first time you took an hour to get to stage 4. After enough repition of stage 1-4 you will end up coming at stage 4 in maybe 15 minutes. You will then reliably be able to get to stage 5 fast enough to start practicing there, and finally will be able to clear the arena in roughly an hour.

Practice makes perfect. Or do you expect me to believe you're such a busy-body that you get caught up in 'real-life constraints' in hourly intervals?

Lol I see what you are saying, but real life constaints is not a valid excuse? ok so my pet budgie should just die, or my dog should just defecate all over the house, or any one of a million things, the kids should just starve, etc etc.

As myself and others have said, repeatedly, it is not a case of practise, or lack of skill or anything, you are actually meant to take breaks from the PC, although we do not all do it hehehe, but health wise ya are meant too, plus a drink or a sammich or soemthing, so according to you I should not do any of these things?

It is just a save , will the world stop revolving?, will the sun refuse to shine because of such a horrendous option?

And for the record, I do not expect nor care if you believe anything, so not sure why you are saying I expect you to do anything.

You got your opinion, I got mine.

If you're not willnig to invest the time without longer than 15 minutes breaks then you do not deserve the achievement of completing it. You're not willing to dedicate your resources to it ---> sorry.

Dymence pointed out pretty much exactly why this would simplify the challenge.

OMG , you just do not get it do you, despite me and a million other people in the thread trying to tell you and your mates what we meant.

Real life things pop up, if you feel that a game is more important than real life, or your weekly gold rewards are more important, then on you go, some of us do not see things that way.

I never once said that I did not want to dedicate resources to it, I will get round to it after I am done my other operations.

I said real life things come up, and they must take precedence, not a game or a achievement, oh slap slap, longer than 15 minutes, bad terrible noob players do not want to put the time in, we still have to put the time in when we get back, learn the mechanics etc.

I wouldn't want to life your life ... I mean come on don't tell me that everytime you try vMA your aunt dies, your dog poops on the floor adn your cat tries to kill your son. Stuff like that happens but it is an exception, probably happens once in a month or sth. You just have to take your time. And don't pick a time where you know there are going to be disruptions.

I mean I'm gonna go home today, mute my phone and me and my girlfriend are probably both going to grind vMA for a few hours without distraction.

If your life is really full of that many distractions that you can't get a few hours for yourself to game I'm really sorry for you. Really wouldn't wanna live like that.

And of course, why would a saving option be a bad thing? Nifty got it correctly here:

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

If you care anything about health, then 45-50 minutes is a good time to take a break and walk around. For those screaming it's a "L2P" issue, then you're full of it.
If you're doing the vMA for the first time, then I'm sorry, but it's going to take you a hell of a lot longer than an hour, so for newer players trying it out, there is no mercy. Do not tell me that beginning on normal mode is a good place to start either, because the change in difficulty is so extreme it's like a whole different arena.
There needs to be some kind of checkpoint in the middle for people who actually care about health and not straining themselves to extreme measures.
Gtfo of here with your L2P B.S.

There is a 15 minute safe timer anyways. enough time to walk your dog / eat / brush your teeth / shower or whatever.

dude sometimes I am in the toilet for like 20 or so mins., ya know, chilling.

This is what I been trying to say all through this thread, then a mini war with you and nifty, is its just a game, and its just as save, people are still gonna have to fight their way through it.

I have not once said that nerfs or easier content for vmsa, not once, so @Nifty2g read this again,., i said save function, and people still need to learn to play effectively through vma
We are not taking from the ones who have done it, or your weekly gold rewards, it is just a save function.

I just dont believe a save function provides any type of learning for what they wanted this content to be. It's a progression, saving it removes that progression and you get an easy clear.
It took me 4 runs where I had to stop and come back to it and as @Dymence pointed out you do it faster and faster and understand mechanics easier that way rather than saving it and continuing where you left off

I for myself went in without testing it or watching any videos without adapting my build at all without checking out normal and cleared it in 3 hours and ~120 deaths. My second run was around 1,5 hours and 20 deaths. my 8th run was 1 hour and 1 death.

Do you get the point?

Xantaria wrote: »

Any person in the game can clear vMaelstrom within 1 hour. +-10 minutes.

If you can't then it's an L2P issue.

No save function needed.

And on your first try, how much did it take? E tell us, kind sir, do you work?

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Any person in the game can clear vMaelstrom within 1 hour. +-10 minutes.

If you can't then it's an L2P issue.

No save function needed.

Elitism at its best, the game is about enjoyment for many types of players, not a certain calibre of player dictating what is what to everyone else.

Just remembered killing you in PvP a few times, no offence, but you suck in PvP:}

Hows the high horse now?

I love how ignorant this post is. Calling someone elitest, i love how many people throw that word around actually, then you say that he sucks in PvP and you killed him, like you were so insulted by his post you threw around attacks like that, it's great.

Then again he is right Maelstrom is totally an L2P issue, its tough to beat it but each time it gets easier and easier. You have to work for it, not get it handed to you.

@code65536 They said something along the lines of Veteran being the main challenge and they didnt want people to get the weapons so easily, I don't have the exact quote but normal is for just doing the content and veteran is for the challenge and I dont think they are going to change their minds on that. (just paraphrasing)

Elitist*

And I was making the point that people like him do not govern how this game works, and the PvP part was put in deliberately to show him when he reads it and feels possibly bad about it, the lesson that many of the player base who reads his post will not like what he has to say.

Mirror effect.

So clearly you did not get it.

Many actually have lives outside of the game and cannot spend hours solid on the game, what about them? they want to do the content and they should and could, so why not be able to save progress instead of going through the same grind all over again.

Many again do not care about leaderboards, they want the title,. so your lot can have your precious leaderboards etc and not feel threated by da casuals:} so everyone is happy.

It's sad that people like you exist in this game, I'm sure @Xantaria is going to enjoy the taste of your tears


Stop being so self centered, just because something isn't going your way doesn't mean the rest of the people should suffer. Take the time to learn it and progress, it's a game after all not like the content is going anywhere. Just because you don't like leaderboards doesn't mean everyone hates them too.

You're basically asking everything to be handed for you with no work towards it. Maybe put the effort for the title like all the rest of the people have, it isn't meant to be easy to get you know?

@Nifty2g
I did intend to harvest some salt with my post and I had a huge grin on my face when reading what he wrote. :')

Awwww elitists banding together, so sweet, feel threatened much?, lol, just lol

Chillout man (kid?), Nothing to be mad about. It's funny though that you are literally getting angry about something people write in a random game forum. Maybe it's you taking gaming too serious and not me. In other words: Respect my opinion, I respect yours aswell. I did not attack you for being a casual or whatever person you are whereas you immediatly started bashing and insulting me for being an 'eletist jerk' according to your opinion. Enough tears harvested, gotta get back to work.

Actually, you branded everyoen with the l2p bracket, and implying all were casuals and noobs for not doing vma in a hour or so, that is what I took objection too, and have others in this thread, maybe you did not realise you were being a *** but you were.

So you basically attacked every single player who either cannot do it or do it in the time you stipulated, its all there in what you wrote.

Hardly respectful of the must vaster playerbase, and I put in my comments to show you exactly how some others will feel.

And your mate well, its obvious he loves you, might be a thing there, something got under his skin.....

Elitists only respect other elitists, never anyone else, IMO

Edit, who said I was angry, I just do not like seeing people being put down so people can lord it all over them, so much you and your "friend" have wrong

Respect is only given when the respect is mutual. Your disrespect towards nifty and xantaria is so blatant it just makes me laugh at how self-righteous you think you are.

Going on about 'people with normal lives'. What is normal? Are you part of those teenagers that run around saying 'LOL HE PLAYS GAMES WHAT A NO LIFER'?

Time is essential in what gates content to be difficult. If someone went through the hard work to learn the stages and eventually complete it with enough practice in a reasonable time window, he should be awarded with the title etc etc. If then a save function gets implemented and people just start smashing their heads against the metaphorical wall until they complete it after weeks, not having actually progressed at getting better at the previous stages. This makes the achievement entirely void because the effort put into it is then 'less skillful'.

With enough chance and luck you'll pass any stage after spending enough time on it, which is why the save function would simplify the content too much.

Well to be fair, Xantaria started it with the arrogant post he put about everyone l2p and I posted to him, and then nifty started on me, so it was begun there.

And for the record, what you think of me means nothing, you do not get it.

I have put many times about the ability to save progress due to real life constraints, not lack of skill or learning etc

Try reading

Thanks

Real life constraints are not a valid excuse.

If you actively practice when you have the time, the stages will get easier over time. Let's say, hypothetically speaking, you died 20 times in stage 1 the first time you tried it. Then you played more often and started to clear it with 10 deaths, 5 deaths, and finally 0 deaths. The better you get at each individual stage cuts off a lot of time in the overall picture.

It does not matter if you have real life constraints. Everybody does to some extent. As you learn the stages properly, your runs will become a lot faster. Maybe the first time you took an hour to get to stage 4. After enough repition of stage 1-4 you will end up coming at stage 4 in maybe 15 minutes. You will then reliably be able to get to stage 5 fast enough to start practicing there, and finally will be able to clear the arena in roughly an hour.

Practice makes perfect. Or do you expect me to believe you're such a busy-body that you get caught up in 'real-life constraints' in hourly intervals?

Lol I see what you are saying, but real life constaints is not a valid excuse? ok so my pet budgie should just die, or my dog should just defecate all over the house, or any one of a million things, the kids should just starve, etc etc.

As myself and others have said, repeatedly, it is not a case of practise, or lack of skill or anything, you are actually meant to take breaks from the PC, although we do not all do it hehehe, but health wise ya are meant too, plus a drink or a sammich or soemthing, so according to you I should not do any of these things?

It is just a save , will the world stop revolving?, will the sun refuse to shine because of such a horrendous option?

And for the record, I do not expect nor care if you believe anything, so not sure why you are saying I expect you to do anything.

You got your opinion, I got mine.

If you're not willnig to invest the time without longer than 15 minutes breaks then you do not deserve the achievement of completing it. You're not willing to dedicate your resources to it ---> sorry.

Dymence pointed out pretty much exactly why this would simplify the challenge.

OMG , you just do not get it do you, despite me and a million other people in the thread trying to tell you and your mates what we meant.

Real life things pop up, if you feel that a game is more important than real life, or your weekly gold rewards are more important, then on you go, some of us do not see things that way.

I never once said that I did not want to dedicate resources to it, I will get round to it after I am done my other operations.

I said real life things come up, and they must take precedence, not a game or a achievement, oh slap slap, longer than 15 minutes, bad terrible noob players do not want to put the time in, we still have to put the time in when we get back, learn the mechanics etc.

As @Nifty2g and @Xantaria have both pointed out already, it is you who does not get it.

Don't start vMSA runs if you expect something to pop up soon (pets, kids). Start with it when you have the time to do it, and it doesn't even need to be more than an hour. Don't go into vMSA expecting to clear it. Go in with the intention to practice.

Back on PTS when it first came out, it was literally 3-4 times harder than it is now with the damage mitigation & ability cost bugs that were around at that time. Regardless, I spent a lot of time just practicing the arena. I remember being stuck at stage 4, stage 5, stage 6, etc. but the amount of times I repeated said arenas I got better and cleared it more reliable every time. This is a proper learning process. A save function would cut this out entirely.

Just start a run when you know nothing will pop up soon, and if something happens to pop up anyways, that's unfortunate but that happens. That's life. I've done so many runs on PTS when it first came out, and sometimes I just had to stop because I had to do something else. Simply play for as long as you can and stop when you have to stop. Then you start over again with the experience from every run added and you get better and better.

My template character on the PTS got the achievement to kill 1000 dwarven constructs (with the only dwarven stages being stage 2 and 4) and got leveled from vr14 to vr16. That's how many times I repeated the content. And repetition makes for improvement. A healthy learning process.

Stanko wrote: »

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Stanko wrote: »

I cleared Vet Maelstrom for the first time today. For arenas 4-9, I had to fail for an entire evening and then re-do all of the arenas again so that I could finally beat the arena that I was trying to learn. Arena 9 was especially bad. I failed 3 evenings and finally beat the last boss on my 4th try (about 600 deaths total).

Because the learning curve for Vet Maelstrom is so severe (especially for a non-dps class or a player used to playing as a healer/tank), I feel that people should be able to save progress and go back to the arena that they are trying to learn.

As a separate issue, I don't feel that players should be cheated out of a score because they had to take a break for some reason. It's like having a contest to see who has the largest bladder (and can avoid going to the bathroom for the longest period of time....).

I intentionally waited until my first Vet Maelstrom completion before creating this poll because I wanted to avoid being labeled as someone who needs to "learn to play". It took me a month to learn it, as detailed in my previous post quoted above.

I think that anyone who can clear Vet Maelstrom is a "gifted" player. I also feel that there are a lot of other players who have not had the opportunity to show that they are "gifted" because of time constraints. Denying those other players the opportunity to show that they are "gifted" by supporting the inability to save progress, well now- that's "elitist".

What is your opinion on the above posts (and my own opinion), stating time constraints are a non issue?

Stanko wrote: »

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Stanko wrote: »

I cleared Vet Maelstrom for the first time today. For arenas 4-9, I had to fail for an entire evening and then re-do all of the arenas again so that I could finally beat the arena that I was trying to learn. Arena 9 was especially bad. I failed 3 evenings and finally beat the last boss on my 4th try (about 600 deaths total).

Because the learning curve for Vet Maelstrom is so severe (especially for a non-dps class or a player used to playing as a healer/tank), I feel that people should be able to save progress and go back to the arena that they are trying to learn.

As a separate issue, I don't feel that players should be cheated out of a score because they had to take a break for some reason. It's like having a contest to see who has the largest bladder (and can avoid going to the bathroom for the longest period of time....).

I intentionally waited until my first Vet Maelstrom completion before creating this poll because I wanted to avoid being labeled as someone who needs to "learn to play". It took me a month to learn it, as detailed in my previous post quoted above.

I think that anyone who can clear Vet Maelstrom is a "gifted" player. I also feel that there are a lot of other players who have not had the opportunity to show that they are "gifted" because of time constraints. Denying those other players the opportunity to show that they are "gifted" by supporting the inability to save progress, well now- that's "elitist".

I can't stand this elitist talk that dribbles from most players mouths, you have to understand that this is player progression, why are you guys so uptight about ZOS finally taking the path to better players instead of listening to the pleas where they want to bypass this whole process.
A save function would simply remove this, no it isn't elitism attitude it's simply a learning curve, there are a reason the top players are at the top of the leaderboards, they take the time to learn it and to beat it. If you're just looking for a clear then I don't believe that Veteran is the mode for you nor is this content for you either.

Gidorick wrote: »

I think it should be an level unlock thing. Once you clear a stage you should be able to start from that stage. Not really a "save", more of a "play level" system. That's more conducive to the MMO environment.

Agree, rarely have multiple hours in a row to play the game...so, hearing people say it takes them 4 hours just to learn, try and get through....then try again and finish in 3 hours, I'm not even going to bother.

I would try with a save feature though

Nifty2g wrote: »

Stanko wrote: »

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Stanko wrote: »

I cleared Vet Maelstrom for the first time today. For arenas 4-9, I had to fail for an entire evening and then re-do all of the arenas again so that I could finally beat the arena that I was trying to learn. Arena 9 was especially bad. I failed 3 evenings and finally beat the last boss on my 4th try (about 600 deaths total).

Because the learning curve for Vet Maelstrom is so severe (especially for a non-dps class or a player used to playing as a healer/tank), I feel that people should be able to save progress and go back to the arena that they are trying to learn.

As a separate issue, I don't feel that players should be cheated out of a score because they had to take a break for some reason. It's like having a contest to see who has the largest bladder (and can avoid going to the bathroom for the longest period of time....).

I intentionally waited until my first Vet Maelstrom completion before creating this poll because I wanted to avoid being labeled as someone who needs to "learn to play". It took me a month to learn it, as detailed in my previous post quoted above.

I think that anyone who can clear Vet Maelstrom is a "gifted" player. I also feel that there are a lot of other players who have not had the opportunity to show that they are "gifted" because of time constraints. Denying those other players the opportunity to show that they are "gifted" by supporting the inability to save progress, well now- that's "elitist".

I can't stand this elitist talk that dribbles from most players mouths, you have to understand that this is player progression, why are you guys so uptight about ZOS finally taking the path to better players instead of listening to the pleas where they want to bypass this whole process.
A save function would simply remove this, no it isn't elitism attitude it's simply a learning curve, there are a reason the top players are at the top of the leaderboards, they take the time to learn it and to beat it. If you're just looking for a clear then I don't believe that Veteran is the mode for you nor is this content for you either.

How does completing the arena in 1 session make you a better player I don't understand and probably never will. Because it doesn't make any sense.

Nifty2g wrote: »

Stanko wrote: »

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Stanko wrote: »

I cleared Vet Maelstrom for the first time today. For arenas 4-9, I had to fail for an entire evening and then re-do all of the arenas again so that I could finally beat the arena that I was trying to learn. Arena 9 was especially bad. I failed 3 evenings and finally beat the last boss on my 4th try (about 600 deaths total).

Because the learning curve for Vet Maelstrom is so severe (especially for a non-dps class or a player used to playing as a healer/tank), I feel that people should be able to save progress and go back to the arena that they are trying to learn.

As a separate issue, I don't feel that players should be cheated out of a score because they had to take a break for some reason. It's like having a contest to see who has the largest bladder (and can avoid going to the bathroom for the longest period of time....).

I intentionally waited until my first Vet Maelstrom completion before creating this poll because I wanted to avoid being labeled as someone who needs to "learn to play". It took me a month to learn it, as detailed in my previous post quoted above.

I think that anyone who can clear Vet Maelstrom is a "gifted" player. I also feel that there are a lot of other players who have not had the opportunity to show that they are "gifted" because of time constraints. Denying those other players the opportunity to show that they are "gifted" by supporting the inability to save progress, well now- that's "elitist".

I can't stand this elitist talk that dribbles from most players mouths, you have to understand that this is player progression, why are you guys so uptight about ZOS finally taking the path to better players instead of listening to the pleas where they want to bypass this whole process.
A save function would simply remove this, no it isn't elitism attitude it's simply a learning curve, there are a reason the top players are at the top of the leaderboards, they take the time to learn it and to beat it. If you're just looking for a clear then I don't believe that Veteran is the mode for you nor is this content for you either.

I think you need to learn what the word progression actually means, if you look at any dictionary terminology I'm sure it'll say it's about "moving forward" about about starting again from start. It's half the reason why any of the serious raid MMO's out there have raid boss lockouts (bar for farming reasons) as it enables guilds to progress "forward" through content together. I doubt those MMO's would have the same pull if everyone was forced to clear the hardest content within one session or lose all progress.

As for vMSA there's another reason why it should have progress saved.... because it's a solo instance in an MMO. Yes we were in dire need of some solo endgame content after craglorn but it's still an MMO and people should be encouraged to play group content not be stuck in a solo instance for hours on end out of fear if they quit to do some group content instead they'll lose all progress.

I'd personally like to be able to do some vMSA while waiting for more tanks etc to log in for group content like daily pledges, maybe do a stage at a time in between looking for groups. Is that such a crime to want that? Something that compliments the group content in an MMO rather than works against it?