Turelus wrote: »

I would say no because this doesn't follow the standards set by every other Dungeon/Trial/Arena within the game.

The option to have a practice mode which offers no rewards (XP/Loot/Score) but allows you to play the arena in any order you want would be interesting however.

"Nifty2g wrote: »

They said something along the lines of Veteran being the main challenge and they didnt want people to get the weapons so easily, I don't have the exact quote but normal is for just doing the content and veteran is for the challenge and I dont think they are going to change their minds on that. (just paraphrasing)

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Any person in the game can clear vMaelstrom within 1 hour. +-10 minutes.

If you can't then it's an L2P issue.

No save function needed.

Elitism at its best, the game is about enjoyment for many types of players, not a certain calibre of player dictating what is what to everyone else.

Just remembered killing you in PvP a few times, no offence, but you suck in PvP:}

Hows the high horse now?

I love how ignorant this post is. Calling someone elitest, i love how many people throw that word around actually, then you say that he sucks in PvP and you killed him, like you were so insulted by his post you threw around attacks like that, it's great.

Then again he is right Maelstrom is totally an L2P issue, its tough to beat it but each time it gets easier and easier. You have to work for it, not get it handed to you.

@code65536 They said something along the lines of Veteran being the main challenge and they didnt want people to get the weapons so easily, I don't have the exact quote but normal is for just doing the content and veteran is for the challenge and I dont think they are going to change their minds on that. (just paraphrasing)

Elitist*

And I was making the point that people like him do not govern how this game works, and the PvP part was put in deliberately to show him when he reads it and feels possibly bad about it, the lesson that many of the player base who reads his post will not like what he has to say.

Mirror effect.

So clearly you did not get it.

Many actually have lives outside of the game and cannot spend hours solid on the game, what about them? they want to do the content and they should and could, so why not be able to save progress instead of going through the same grind all over again.

Many again do not care about leaderboards, they want the title,. so your lot can have your precious leaderboards etc and not feel threated by da casuals:} so everyone is happy.

It's sad that people like you exist in this game, I'm sure @Xantaria is going to enjoy the taste of your tears


Stop being so self centered, just because something isn't going your way doesn't mean the rest of the people should suffer. Take the time to learn it and progress, it's a game after all not like the content is going anywhere. Just because you don't like leaderboards doesn't mean everyone hates them too.

You're basically asking everything to be handed for you with no work towards it. Maybe put the effort for the title like all the rest of the people have, it isn't meant to be easy to get you know?

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Any person in the game can clear vMaelstrom within 1 hour. +-10 minutes.

If you can't then it's an L2P issue.

No save function needed.

Elitism at its best, the game is about enjoyment for many types of players, not a certain calibre of player dictating what is what to everyone else.

Just remembered killing you in PvP a few times, no offence, but you suck in PvP:}

Hows the high horse now?

I love how ignorant this post is. Calling someone elitest, i love how many people throw that word around actually, then you say that he sucks in PvP and you killed him, like you were so insulted by his post you threw around attacks like that, it's great.

Then again he is right Maelstrom is totally an L2P issue, its tough to beat it but each time it gets easier and easier. You have to work for it, not get it handed to you.

@code65536 They said something along the lines of Veteran being the main challenge and they didnt want people to get the weapons so easily, I don't have the exact quote but normal is for just doing the content and veteran is for the challenge and I dont think they are going to change their minds on that. (just paraphrasing)

Elitist*

And I was making the point that people like him do not govern how this game works, and the PvP part was put in deliberately to show him when he reads it and feels possibly bad about it, the lesson that many of the player base who reads his post will not like what he has to say.

Mirror effect.

So clearly you did not get it.

Many actually have lives outside of the game and cannot spend hours solid on the game, what about them? they want to do the content and they should and could, so why not be able to save progress instead of going through the same grind all over again.

Many again do not care about leaderboards, they want the title,. so your lot can have your precious leaderboards etc and not feel threated by da casuals:} so everyone is happy.

It's sad that people like you exist in this game, I'm sure @Xantaria is going to enjoy the taste of your tears


Stop being so self centered, just because something isn't going your way doesn't mean the rest of the people should suffer. Take the time to learn it and progress, it's a game after all not like the content is going anywhere. Just because you don't like leaderboards doesn't mean everyone hates them too.

You're basically asking everything to be handed for you with no work towards it. Maybe put the effort for the title like all the rest of the people have, it isn't meant to be easy to get you know?

Lol people like me? and he can come see me any time in PvP, he has never once got me, hes one of the worst PvPers I have seen, and elitist peeps like you and your kind are the ones who will make this game eventually die, not my kind.

The arrogance of your statement and lording it over everyone is amazing.

And I said about save progress for the people with `NORMAL` lives.

What about the time saved while your progress is saved does not affect your precious leaderboards?, your kind still gonna have a problem, like I said, many just want the title and to say they done it.

So once again you are wrong, try learning to read next time, instead of your arrogant assumptions, the leaderboards are there fot the ones who like that sort of thing and save progress is there for everyone.

And no I did not ask for everything to be handed to me, what incredible leap of logic did you come to that conclusion, I said save progress, again try reading.

What if your pet budgie died or your dog was barking or a million real life things meaning you had to go , and your progress up to last stage was gone, and that was it, you had to do it all over again.

And btw, nice salty tears from you:}

Xantaria wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Any person in the game can clear vMaelstrom within 1 hour. +-10 minutes.

If you can't then it's an L2P issue.

No save function needed.

Elitism at its best, the game is about enjoyment for many types of players, not a certain calibre of player dictating what is what to everyone else.

Just remembered killing you in PvP a few times, no offence, but you suck in PvP:}

Hows the high horse now?

I love how ignorant this post is. Calling someone elitest, i love how many people throw that word around actually, then you say that he sucks in PvP and you killed him, like you were so insulted by his post you threw around attacks like that, it's great.

Then again he is right Maelstrom is totally an L2P issue, its tough to beat it but each time it gets easier and easier. You have to work for it, not get it handed to you.

@code65536 They said something along the lines of Veteran being the main challenge and they didnt want people to get the weapons so easily, I don't have the exact quote but normal is for just doing the content and veteran is for the challenge and I dont think they are going to change their minds on that. (just paraphrasing)

Elitist*

And I was making the point that people like him do not govern how this game works, and the PvP part was put in deliberately to show him when he reads it and feels possibly bad about it, the lesson that many of the player base who reads his post will not like what he has to say.

Mirror effect.

So clearly you did not get it.

Many actually have lives outside of the game and cannot spend hours solid on the game, what about them? they want to do the content and they should and could, so why not be able to save progress instead of going through the same grind all over again.

Many again do not care about leaderboards, they want the title,. so your lot can have your precious leaderboards etc and not feel threated by da casuals:} so everyone is happy.

It's sad that people like you exist in this game, I'm sure @Xantaria is going to enjoy the taste of your tears


Stop being so self centered, just because something isn't going your way doesn't mean the rest of the people should suffer. Take the time to learn it and progress, it's a game after all not like the content is going anywhere. Just because you don't like leaderboards doesn't mean everyone hates them too.

You're basically asking everything to be handed for you with no work towards it. Maybe put the effort for the title like all the rest of the people have, it isn't meant to be easy to get you know?

Lol people like me? and he can come see me any time in PvP, he has never once got me, hes one of the worst PvPers I have seen, and elitist peeps like you and your kind are the ones who will make this game eventually die, not my kind.

The arrogance of your statement and lording it over everyone is amazing.

And I said about save progress for the people with `NORMAL` lives.

What about the time saved while your progress is saved does not affect your precious leaderboards?, your kind still gonna have a problem, like I said, many just want the title and to say they done it.

So once again you are wrong, try learning to read next time, instead of your arrogant assumptions, the leaderboards are there fot the ones who like that sort of thing and save progress is there for everyone.

And no I did not ask for everything to be handed to me, what incredible leap of logic did you come to that conclusion, I said save progress, again try reading.

What if your pet budgie died or your dog was barking or a million real life things meaning you had to go , and your progress up to last stage was gone, and that was it, you had to do it all over again.

And btw, nice salty tears from you:}

HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

So many insults my heart is broken (((((

WolfingHour wrote: »

Quick. Somebody fix all the instances of Learn2Play on this thread to Time2Play, since that is the real issue here.

L2P is a misdirection - having less people versed in the whole trial benefits the pseudo L2P lobbyists since it will increase the number of slots for them to put their multiple characters in and reap the rewards at the end of the week.

There is also the ego thing too, hollow as it may be. You think you play better than everyone else but you're really only better than a smaller subset of the whole player population - the ones with multiple hours to spare everyday.

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Any person in the game can clear vMaelstrom within 1 hour. +-10 minutes.

If you can't then it's an L2P issue.

No save function needed.

Elitism at its best, the game is about enjoyment for many types of players, not a certain calibre of player dictating what is what to everyone else.

Just remembered killing you in PvP a few times, no offence, but you suck in PvP:}

Hows the high horse now?

I love how ignorant this post is. Calling someone elitest, i love how many people throw that word around actually, then you say that he sucks in PvP and you killed him, like you were so insulted by his post you threw around attacks like that, it's great.

Then again he is right Maelstrom is totally an L2P issue, its tough to beat it but each time it gets easier and easier. You have to work for it, not get it handed to you.

@code65536 They said something along the lines of Veteran being the main challenge and they didnt want people to get the weapons so easily, I don't have the exact quote but normal is for just doing the content and veteran is for the challenge and I dont think they are going to change their minds on that. (just paraphrasing)

Elitist*

And I was making the point that people like him do not govern how this game works, and the PvP part was put in deliberately to show him when he reads it and feels possibly bad about it, the lesson that many of the player base who reads his post will not like what he has to say.

Mirror effect.

So clearly you did not get it.

Many actually have lives outside of the game and cannot spend hours solid on the game, what about them? they want to do the content and they should and could, so why not be able to save progress instead of going through the same grind all over again.

Many again do not care about leaderboards, they want the title,. so your lot can have your precious leaderboards etc and not feel threated by da casuals:} so everyone is happy.

It's sad that people like you exist in this game, I'm sure @Xantaria is going to enjoy the taste of your tears


Stop being so self centered, just because something isn't going your way doesn't mean the rest of the people should suffer. Take the time to learn it and progress, it's a game after all not like the content is going anywhere. Just because you don't like leaderboards doesn't mean everyone hates them too.

You're basically asking everything to be handed for you with no work towards it. Maybe put the effort for the title like all the rest of the people have, it isn't meant to be easy to get you know?

Lol people like me? and he can come see me any time in PvP, he has never once got me, hes one of the worst PvPers I have seen, and elitist peeps like you and your kind are the ones who will make this game eventually die, not my kind.

The arrogance of your statement and lording it over everyone is amazing.

And I said about save progress for the people with `NORMAL` lives.

What about the time saved while your progress is saved does not affect your precious leaderboards?, your kind still gonna have a problem, like I said, many just want the title and to say they done it.

So once again you are wrong, try learning to read next time, instead of your arrogant assumptions, the leaderboards are there fot the ones who like that sort of thing and save progress is there for everyone.

And no I did not ask for everything to be handed to me, what incredible leap of logic did you come to that conclusion, I said save progress, again try reading.

What if your pet budgie died or your dog was barking or a million real life things meaning you had to go , and your progress up to last stage was gone, and that was it, you had to do it all over again.

And btw, nice salty tears from you:}

It might be time to take a deep breathe and walk away from the PC bro

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

WolfingHour wrote: »

L2P is a misdirection - having less people versed in the whole trial benefits the pseudo L2P lobbyists since it will increase the number of slots for them to put their multiple characters in and reap the rewards at the end of the week.

The only reason people chuck around "L2P" on an MMO forum is because the only way they can devalue an opinion is by basically calling the person with it a noob.

In reality everyone is learning to play, even the pro's are still learning to play and better themselves and have learned to play to get where they are as they weren't awesome players overnight.

Telling someone to L2P is a baseless argument.

Xantaria wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Any person in the game can clear vMaelstrom within 1 hour. +-10 minutes.

If you can't then it's an L2P issue.

No save function needed.

Elitism at its best, the game is about enjoyment for many types of players, not a certain calibre of player dictating what is what to everyone else.

Just remembered killing you in PvP a few times, no offence, but you suck in PvP:}

Hows the high horse now?

I love how ignorant this post is. Calling someone elitest, i love how many people throw that word around actually, then you say that he sucks in PvP and you killed him, like you were so insulted by his post you threw around attacks like that, it's great.

Then again he is right Maelstrom is totally an L2P issue, its tough to beat it but each time it gets easier and easier. You have to work for it, not get it handed to you.

@code65536 They said something along the lines of Veteran being the main challenge and they didnt want people to get the weapons so easily, I don't have the exact quote but normal is for just doing the content and veteran is for the challenge and I dont think they are going to change their minds on that. (just paraphrasing)

Elitist*

And I was making the point that people like him do not govern how this game works, and the PvP part was put in deliberately to show him when he reads it and feels possibly bad about it, the lesson that many of the player base who reads his post will not like what he has to say.

Mirror effect.

So clearly you did not get it.

Many actually have lives outside of the game and cannot spend hours solid on the game, what about them? they want to do the content and they should and could, so why not be able to save progress instead of going through the same grind all over again.

Many again do not care about leaderboards, they want the title,. so your lot can have your precious leaderboards etc and not feel threated by da casuals:} so everyone is happy.

It's sad that people like you exist in this game, I'm sure @Xantaria is going to enjoy the taste of your tears


Stop being so self centered, just because something isn't going your way doesn't mean the rest of the people should suffer. Take the time to learn it and progress, it's a game after all not like the content is going anywhere. Just because you don't like leaderboards doesn't mean everyone hates them too.

You're basically asking everything to be handed for you with no work towards it. Maybe put the effort for the title like all the rest of the people have, it isn't meant to be easy to get you know?

@Nifty2g
I did intend to harvest some salt with my post and I had a huge grin on my face when reading what he wrote. :')

Awwww elitists banding together, so sweet, feel threatened much?, lol, just lol

Chillout man (kid?), Nothing to be mad about. It's funny though that you are literally getting angry about something people write in a random game forum. Maybe it's you taking gaming too serious and not me. In other words: Respect my opinion, I respect yours aswell. I did not attack you for being a casual or whatever person you are whereas you immediatly started bashing and insulting me for being an 'eletist jerk' according to your opinion. Enough tears harvested, gotta get back to work.

Nifty2g wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

WolfingHour wrote: »

L2P is a misdirection - having less people versed in the whole trial benefits the pseudo L2P lobbyists since it will increase the number of slots for them to put their multiple characters in and reap the rewards at the end of the week.

The only reason people chuck around "L2P" on an MMO forum is because the only way they can devalue an opinion is by basically calling the person with it a noob.

In reality everyone is learning to play, even the pro's are still learning to play and better themselves and have learned to play to get where they are as they weren't awesome players overnight.

Telling someone to L2P is a baseless argument.

You know ... Let's see it like this: people who clear this in an hour learned to play to be on that level whereas somebody who is not even clearing it on 5 hours and then complains is refusing to learn to play to raise to the level other players are. Of course everybody is still learning and improving but everybody is on a different level because of how much he was able to learn up to that specific point. And that's why I think telling somebody to learn to play to reach a certain level of gameplay is a totally valid argument. I mean a person who is at that higher level of gameplay knows exactly that he had to learn to reach that level. Telling others to do the same is not wrong.

elitist. you are ruining the game

Xantaria wrote: »

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

WolfingHour wrote: »

L2P is a misdirection - having less people versed in the whole trial benefits the pseudo L2P lobbyists since it will increase the number of slots for them to put their multiple characters in and reap the rewards at the end of the week.

The only reason people chuck around "L2P" on an MMO forum is because the only way they can devalue an opinion is by basically calling the person with it a noob.

In reality everyone is learning to play, even the pro's are still learning to play and better themselves and have learned to play to get where they are as they weren't awesome players overnight.

Telling someone to L2P is a baseless argument.

You know ... Let's see it like this: people who clear this in an hour learned to play to be on that level whereas somebody who is not even clearing it on 5 hours and then complains is refusing to learn to play to raise to the level other players are. Of course everybody is still learning and improving but everybody is on a different level because of how much he was able to learn up to that specific point. And that's why I think telling somebody to learn to play to reach a certain level of gameplay is a totally valid argument. I mean a person who is at that higher level of gameplay knows exactly that he had to learn to reach that level. Telling others to do the same is not wrong.

Jura23 wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

WolfingHour wrote: »

L2P is a misdirection - having less people versed in the whole trial benefits the pseudo L2P lobbyists since it will increase the number of slots for them to put their multiple characters in and reap the rewards at the end of the week.

The only reason people chuck around "L2P" on an MMO forum is because the only way they can devalue an opinion is by basically calling the person with it a noob.

In reality everyone is learning to play, even the pro's are still learning to play and better themselves and have learned to play to get where they are as they weren't awesome players overnight.

Telling someone to L2P is a baseless argument.

You know ... Let's see it like this: people who clear this in an hour learned to play to be on that level whereas somebody who is not even clearing it on 5 hours and then complains is refusing to learn to play to raise to the level other players are. Of course everybody is still learning and improving but everybody is on a different level because of how much he was able to learn up to that specific point. And that's why I think telling somebody to learn to play to reach a certain level of gameplay is a totally valid argument. I mean a person who is at that higher level of gameplay knows exactly that he had to learn to reach that level. Telling others to do the same is not wrong.

There is no legit reason not to have save option in single player content. Not one.

Having save option doesn't make the content less challenging, that would be nonsense. It's simple quality of life feature. I give you an example:

You play vMA, your phone rings and it turns out you have to go do something in real world. According to logic of some ppl here, it's a l2p issue since you weren't able to finish the run.

Doesn't make sense, right? I think so.

This is just stupid and extremely lazy decision on ZOS part how to make the content more "challenging". But whatever, be my guest. But I'm not gonna accept every such stupidity they throw at me like a sheep.

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Any person in the game can clear vMaelstrom within 1 hour. +-10 minutes.

If you can't then it's an L2P issue.

No save function needed.

Elitism at its best, the game is about enjoyment for many types of players, not a certain calibre of player dictating what is what to everyone else.

Just remembered killing you in PvP a few times, no offence, but you suck in PvP:}

Hows the high horse now?

I love how ignorant this post is. Calling someone elitest, i love how many people throw that word around actually, then you say that he sucks in PvP and you killed him, like you were so insulted by his post you threw around attacks like that, it's great.

Then again he is right Maelstrom is totally an L2P issue, its tough to beat it but each time it gets easier and easier. You have to work for it, not get it handed to you.

@code65536 They said something along the lines of Veteran being the main challenge and they didnt want people to get the weapons so easily, I don't have the exact quote but normal is for just doing the content and veteran is for the challenge and I dont think they are going to change their minds on that. (just paraphrasing)

Elitist*

And I was making the point that people like him do not govern how this game works, and the PvP part was put in deliberately to show him when he reads it and feels possibly bad about it, the lesson that many of the player base who reads his post will not like what he has to say.

Mirror effect.

So clearly you did not get it.

Many actually have lives outside of the game and cannot spend hours solid on the game, what about them? they want to do the content and they should and could, so why not be able to save progress instead of going through the same grind all over again.

Many again do not care about leaderboards, they want the title,. so your lot can have your precious leaderboards etc and not feel threated by da casuals:} so everyone is happy.

It's sad that people like you exist in this game, I'm sure @Xantaria is going to enjoy the taste of your tears


Stop being so self centered, just because something isn't going your way doesn't mean the rest of the people should suffer. Take the time to learn it and progress, it's a game after all not like the content is going anywhere. Just because you don't like leaderboards doesn't mean everyone hates them too.

You're basically asking everything to be handed for you with no work towards it. Maybe put the effort for the title like all the rest of the people have, it isn't meant to be easy to get you know?

@Nifty2g
I did intend to harvest some salt with my post and I had a huge grin on my face when reading what he wrote. :')

Awwww elitists banding together, so sweet, feel threatened much?, lol, just lol

Chillout man (kid?), Nothing to be mad about. It's funny though that you are literally getting angry about something people write in a random game forum. Maybe it's you taking gaming too serious and not me. In other words: Respect my opinion, I respect yours aswell. I did not attack you for being a casual or whatever person you are whereas you immediatly started bashing and insulting me for being an 'eletist jerk' according to your opinion. Enough tears harvested, gotta get back to work.

Actually, you branded everyoen with the l2p bracket, and implying all were casuals and noobs for not doing vma in a hour or so, that is what I took objection too, and have others in this thread, maybe you did not realise you were being a *** but you were.

So you basically attacked every single player who either cannot do it or do it in the time you stipulated, its all there in what you wrote.

Hardly respectful of the must vaster playerbase, and I put in my comments to show you exactly how some others will feel.

And your mate well, its obvious he loves you, might be a thing there, something got under his skin.....

Elitists only respect other elitists, never anyone else, IMO

Edit, who said I was angry, I just do not like seeing people being put down so people can lord it all over them, so much you and your "friend" have wrong

Dymence wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Any person in the game can clear vMaelstrom within 1 hour. +-10 minutes.

If you can't then it's an L2P issue.

No save function needed.

Elitism at its best, the game is about enjoyment for many types of players, not a certain calibre of player dictating what is what to everyone else.

Just remembered killing you in PvP a few times, no offence, but you suck in PvP:}

Hows the high horse now?

I love how ignorant this post is. Calling someone elitest, i love how many people throw that word around actually, then you say that he sucks in PvP and you killed him, like you were so insulted by his post you threw around attacks like that, it's great.

Then again he is right Maelstrom is totally an L2P issue, its tough to beat it but each time it gets easier and easier. You have to work for it, not get it handed to you.

@code65536 They said something along the lines of Veteran being the main challenge and they didnt want people to get the weapons so easily, I don't have the exact quote but normal is for just doing the content and veteran is for the challenge and I dont think they are going to change their minds on that. (just paraphrasing)

Elitist*

And I was making the point that people like him do not govern how this game works, and the PvP part was put in deliberately to show him when he reads it and feels possibly bad about it, the lesson that many of the player base who reads his post will not like what he has to say.

Mirror effect.

So clearly you did not get it.

Many actually have lives outside of the game and cannot spend hours solid on the game, what about them? they want to do the content and they should and could, so why not be able to save progress instead of going through the same grind all over again.

Many again do not care about leaderboards, they want the title,. so your lot can have your precious leaderboards etc and not feel threated by da casuals:} so everyone is happy.

It's sad that people like you exist in this game, I'm sure @Xantaria is going to enjoy the taste of your tears


Stop being so self centered, just because something isn't going your way doesn't mean the rest of the people should suffer. Take the time to learn it and progress, it's a game after all not like the content is going anywhere. Just because you don't like leaderboards doesn't mean everyone hates them too.

You're basically asking everything to be handed for you with no work towards it. Maybe put the effort for the title like all the rest of the people have, it isn't meant to be easy to get you know?

@Nifty2g
I did intend to harvest some salt with my post and I had a huge grin on my face when reading what he wrote. :')

Awwww elitists banding together, so sweet, feel threatened much?, lol, just lol

Chillout man (kid?), Nothing to be mad about. It's funny though that you are literally getting angry about something people write in a random game forum. Maybe it's you taking gaming too serious and not me. In other words: Respect my opinion, I respect yours aswell. I did not attack you for being a casual or whatever person you are whereas you immediatly started bashing and insulting me for being an 'eletist jerk' according to your opinion. Enough tears harvested, gotta get back to work.

Actually, you branded everyoen with the l2p bracket, and implying all were casuals and noobs for not doing vma in a hour or so, that is what I took objection too, and have others in this thread, maybe you did not realise you were being a *** but you were.

So you basically attacked every single player who either cannot do it or do it in the time you stipulated, its all there in what you wrote.

Hardly respectful of the must vaster playerbase, and I put in my comments to show you exactly how some others will feel.

And your mate well, its obvious he loves you, might be a thing there, something got under his skin.....

Elitists only respect other elitists, never anyone else, IMO

Edit, who said I was angry, I just do not like seeing people being put down so people can lord it all over them, so much you and your "friend" have wrong

Respect is only given when the respect is mutual. Your disrespect towards nifty and xantaria is so blatant it just makes me laugh at how self-righteous you think you are.

Going on about 'people with normal lives'. What is normal? Are you part of those teenagers that run around saying 'LOL HE PLAYS GAMES WHAT A NO LIFER'?

Time is essential in what gates content to be difficult. If someone went through the hard work to learn the stages and eventually complete it with enough practice in a reasonable time window, he should be awarded with the title etc etc. If then a save function gets implemented and people just start smashing their heads against the metaphorical wall until they complete it after weeks, not having actually progressed at getting better at the previous stages. This makes the achievement entirely void because the effort put into it is then 'less skillful'.

With enough chance and luck you'll pass any stage after spending enough time on it, which is why the save function would simplify the content too much.