Catches_the_Sun wrote: »So only 5 abilities, which were bugged and therefore not hitting the limit, are being adjusted...and we're crying foul, saying the sky is falling. I don't see this having much of an impact.
Draconiuos wrote: »Instead of just crying about them fixing it why not offer a suggestion that will be helpful.
Draconiuos wrote: »Focus fire kills people a lot quicker than aoes ever will.
One or two healers are hiding behind the zerg. You can't target them if your reticule can't hit them afaik right? There are no nameplates. How are you relaying who to kill to your teammates? How are they finding the person you are talking about quickly without nameplates? Once the zerg ball of gW2 forms how are you going to target them with even more people in front of them?
I've had no problems identifying and targeting squishies in an enemy zerg. If you do, maybe you just need to L2P instead of looking for an easy 1-button solution?
I said Cyrodiil is huge, and I have no trouble avoiding the zerg and finding small fights, yet called a zergling in response.
prana33b14_ESO wrote: ».
One or two healers are hiding behind the zerg. You can't target them if your reticule can't hit them afaik right? There are no nameplates. How are you relaying who to kill to your teammates? How are they finding the person you are talking about quickly without nameplates? Once the zerg ball of gW2 forms how are you going to target them with even more people in front of them?
prana33b14_ESO wrote: »If they are a bigger group you will be run over before you focus fire enough of them to make a dent lol. Oh you killed one guy? They ran over your entire group in a blob train in the meantime lol. Then they mopped up the mopes setting up siege in an open battle fight. Healers need to die first and I specifically asked how you are targeting key people hiding behind the zerg when they start grouping up and this is not an answer.
You were the one that said if the group was bigger that my tactic wouldn't work. Which means you changed the scenario to one were you are outnumbered. Perhaps you should learn to read what you write before replying and making yourself look silly.prana33b14_ESO wrote: »LOL. We've been saying that the addition of caps will cause groups to clump together to mitigate the aoe while hiding their healers because you can't target them if you can't get a reticule on them. We've asked how you plan on killing the healers that are not targetable without aoe (focus firing them) for awhile now and Cuddler swung and missed. Now, your answer basically is "focus fire the overextenders." Well no *** but we're talking about groups that are literally 50 deep piled on the commander and how to kill the healers stacked in there.
The whole premise of these arguments is giving small groups a chance vs. big groups so I have no idea how or why you possibly could have thought we weren't talking about outnumbered groups. Did you read the thread at all? Is your reading comprehension level that of Cuddler's?
I mean jfc, if you don't have any idea the conversation going on please don't even answer.
Lol, I you are the one saying no one said anything about being outnumbered. The very definition of being outnumbered is to have a smaller group than the group you are facing. I admitted that my tactics would not work against 3+v1 odds, but you never gave specific odds to use. Perhaps you should pay attention and learn some reading comprehension.prana33b14_ESO wrote: »We've been talking about smaller group vs. a larger group and the ability for smaller groups to defeat larger groups so it isn't a numbers based pvp game THIS WHOLE THREAD and nowhere mentioned groups of equal size, so yes your tactic wouldn't work and was not relevant. Pay attention ffs.
prana33b14_ESO wrote: »/facepalm
Perhaps you should read the *** thread. Never was there any discussion about how equal group fights would end up. The premise of THIS WHOLE *** THREAD is about giving small groups a chance vs. big groups and how it will ruin pvp if small groups aren't able to have a chance vs. big groups. I'm sorry I didn't specifically mention it in my questions since you know the WHOLE THREAD IS ABOUT SMALL GROUP VS LARGE GROUP PVP.
Regardless, your focus fire the tanks standing on the edges idea is moronic anyway and you obviously don't have a clue how to focus fire healers hiding inside a zerg.
ChairGraveyard wrote: »AoE Caps Enable Cheating Like This:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0hyK9tLzG5o
Get rid of AoE caps! Don't allow cheating!
prana33b14_ESO wrote: »LOL. This is why we can't have nice things. I'm not saying people taht don't agree with me are wrong and stupid. I'm saying that if you have no idea what the discussion is about and are chiming in still as if you do and therefore are wrong and stupid.
Draconious has a 1st grade reading comprehension and after 13 pages he still didn't know we were talking about small group vs. large group pvp. Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Now that you are caught up and know we are talking about small vs. large group pvp do you have answers? Focus fire the guy on the outside while we get ran the *** over durrrrrr.
Oblongship wrote: »
Not really sure how that is cheating...
Oblongship wrote: »ChairGraveyard wrote: »AoE Caps Enable Cheating Like This:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0hyK9tLzG5o
Get rid of AoE caps! Don't allow cheating!
Not really sure how that is cheating...
Draconiuos wrote: »
Lol, I love it when people are so lost for words they have to steal your insult to them to try and insult you. Good try but come back when you have something original.
You are right I brought a tactic that makes the healers useless. Also, if you read the entire thread I did offer a solution that would allow both capped aoes and uncapped aoes. The fact it was ignored shows me most here don't won't any compromise. The game has had the AOE cap since launch and it didn't matter until it was pointed out and they said they were fixing abilities that were wrongfully breaking the cap.@Draconiuos His question has always been, "how do you focus fire the healers in the stack?"
Your answer is insufficient, with or without equal numbers. If you have the same amount of people, how are you going to focus fire healers? That's right, YOU CAN'T. Additionally, if you cannot devise a tactic that can enable a smaller group to outplay a larger group in the open field with an AoE cap enabled, then you really have not brought any solution to the table and have completely missed the point of this entire debate. Thank you for proving a point though that, without a way to effectively focus fire ANY target of value (because they are behind a tanky front line), that this is purely a numbers game. The only way to beat a stack in the open field is with an equal or larger stack of your own. Period.
And, no, siege doesn't work to counter anything. It fires slow, has placement limitations, and will be rushed the second it is placed. If you have any questions, I refer you to @Pryda 's video
prana33b14_ESO wrote: »IIRC his other solution was let people choose whether their skills hit unlimited or limited targets on their own. Mkay. I'd do that I guess.
a mechanic were you can choice to keep you Aoe capped and it would have static stats, or you can choice to have it uncapped