Bolt escape - really?

dahl.lucas_ESO

The player has to be very bad if they can't keep up from a sorc that only bolted two times. In many encounters, if I where to bolt away from a zerg (like 6 times) they easy kept up with speed buffs and other similar abilities. People who never catch some one who uses bolt escape really don't know how to deal with, give up before even trying or really are not that skilled at chasing down others. I'm not down playing bolt escape, it's an awesome ability befitting a caster, but in most cases it's not hard to counter. Not to mention I die in two to three hits, at max. So, I'd be ok to do away with this ability if given three times the health/armor. Every other class has their strengths, learn them and learn how to counter others.

beravinprb19_ESO

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

People escaping a battle with Bolt ESCAPE = broken.

People insta-killing other players with bash spam? TOTALLY FINE.

That's ESO forum logic for ya.

Lets not start with the strawmans. Most sane people realize that Bash is out of control right now, and there are numerous threads about this already. Even then, Bash being a problem does not somehow excuse Bolt, or any other ability, from also being problematic.

I would be fine with Bolt Escape if it would stop stunning me whenever I am in melee range of them at the time in which they use it. That stun forces me to stun break, and in the time it takes to do so, they can use another Bolt and place themselves out of my range.

Phoenix99

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

People escaping a battle with Bolt ESCAPE = broken.

People insta-killing other players with bash spam? TOTALLY FINE.

That's ESO forum logic for ya.

who said that bash spam is fine? it's also absurd and will go probably away just after sorc nerf to ult reduction and bolt escape or with it. I mean the best defensive weapon skill line also the most dps? 2H and dual wield need to be better dps wise for the same stamina cost than bash lords

Kingslayer

This is daft is moronic threads like this which have the eso devs making mistakes and making the game worse. It is always nerf this nerf that, I play them all and its not OP. It is an escape for a predominantly caster class. And in a game such as this with its large landscape etc and large scale pvp it is a good tool for them. Some classes have gap closers and some escapes. This is how games are set. Nightblades get stealth (although i hear it could do with sorting really). I have all classes albeit 3 of them are low level.

Gisgo

I dunno... i wish as an NB i had the same opportunity to get out of a fight i didnt pick wisely.

Sorcs can poke you and run away on a regular basis.

I specced a character to be the faster runner while on foot.
Full medium armor, the steed bonus, sprint reduction cost and everything i could get, and when i am not sprinting i am still moving faster while regening stamina thanks to shadow passives: yet a sorc can outrun me by just pressing a button over and over.

Working as intended? Uh ok.

Kingslayer

beravinprb19_ESO wrote: »

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

People escaping a battle with Bolt ESCAPE = broken.

People insta-killing other players with bash spam? TOTALLY FINE.

That's ESO forum logic for ya.

Lets not start with the strawmans. Most sane people realize that Bash is out of control right now, and there are numerous threads about this already. Even then, Bash being a problem does not somehow excuse Bolt, or any other ability, from also being problematic.

I would be fine with Bolt Escape if it would stop stunning me whenever I am in melee range of them at the time in which they use it. That stun forces me to stun break, and in the time it takes to do so, they can squeeze in Bolt and place themselves out of my range.

Bolts escape doesn't stun you... one of its morphs do.

beravinprb19_ESO

Kingslayer wrote: »

beravinprb19_ESO wrote: »

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

People escaping a battle with Bolt ESCAPE = broken.

People insta-killing other players with bash spam? TOTALLY FINE.

That's ESO forum logic for ya.

Lets not start with the strawmans. Most sane people realize that Bash is out of control right now, and there are numerous threads about this already. Even then, Bash being a problem does not somehow excuse Bolt, or any other ability, from also being problematic.

I would be fine with Bolt Escape if it would stop stunning me whenever I am in melee range of them at the time in which they use it. That stun forces me to stun break, and in the time it takes to do so, they can squeeze in Bolt and place themselves out of my range.

Bolts escape doesn't stun you... one of its morphs do.

Yes, I know that... I refer to the original ability, and not the morph, because not everyone knows the morphs of every ability out there. This way is just less confusing.

Alestair

Carde wrote: »

Skill is fine.

The skill is fine? you got to be kidding me... Hey, if the sorc using bolt escape is a Vamp.. That does not make it fine.. That makes that individual capable of taking on all the Daedric princes/Divines him/herself. Utterly the opposite faction.. Seen it too many times, its caused people to Un-sub...Fix that one issue with Vamp...then hey, i dont have a problem with bolt escape....

Kaskako

The way bolt escape works is just stupid. There really is no way people can defend against this fact. Either increase the cost with each use or something, its ridiculous that after using it infinitely sorcerers are still able to fight normally like nothing happened, while those that attempt to chase them end up out of stamina, magicka or both.

Yusuf

grabbintrionb14_ESO wrote: »

yea this is probably the most broken mobility skill I have ever seen in MMO pvp. needs a short cooldown or something because you can easily outrun a whole raid with this. wiz will definitely be FOTM for this escape alone

You'd not be saying this if you were collecting skyshards and 30 angry daggers find you and chase you on their horses from one keep to the next. On the other hand, if people are so stupid to abandon their fighting comrades and chase after a single straggler, i wouldn't mind if that contributed to my faction winning

Yusuf

Kaskako wrote: »

The way bolt escape works is just stupid. There really is no way people can defend against this fact. Either increase the cost with each use or something, its ridiculous that after using it infinitely sorcerers are still able to fight normally like nothing happened, while those that attempt to chase them end up out of stamina, magicka or both.

did you ever see the templar-skill piercing javelin? that knocks me off my feet, maybe you should play as a templar.

Niffo

Kingslayer wrote: »

Bolts escape doesn't stun you... one of its morphs do.

Another Sorcerer that doesn't know how their skills function. Bolt Escape and Ball of Lightning stun, Streak disorients.

Niffo

Yusuf wrote: »

Kaskako wrote: »

The way bolt escape works is just stupid. There really is no way people can defend against this fact. Either increase the cost with each use or something, its ridiculous that after using it infinitely sorcerers are still able to fight normally like nothing happened, while those that attempt to chase them end up out of stamina, magicka or both.

did you ever see the templar-skill piercing javelin? that knocks me off my feet, maybe you should play as a templar.

Did you know you can break out of stuns as soon as they happen by hitting the interrupt keybind? You also get a 7 second immunity to ALL CC when you do that, the ability also has a slower travel time than the instant teleport of Bolt Escape.

Asava

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

Yusuf wrote: »

Kaskako wrote: »

The way bolt escape works is just stupid. There really is no way people can defend against this fact. Either increase the cost with each use or something, its ridiculous that after using it infinitely sorcerers are still able to fight normally like nothing happened, while those that attempt to chase them end up out of stamina, magicka or both.

did you ever see the templar-skill piercing javelin? that knocks me off my feet, maybe you should play as a templar.

Did you know you can break out of stuns as soon as they happen by hitting the interrupt keybind? You also get a 7 second immunity to ALL CC when you do that, the ability also has a slower travel time than the instant teleport of Bolt Escape.

CC immunity is for hard cc's only, not soft CC's. L2P before your tears launch Noah's Arc v2.0.....

Niffo

Asava wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

Yusuf wrote: »

Kaskako wrote: »

The way bolt escape works is just stupid. There really is no way people can defend against this fact. Either increase the cost with each use or something, its ridiculous that after using it infinitely sorcerers are still able to fight normally like nothing happened, while those that attempt to chase them end up out of stamina, magicka or both.

did you ever see the templar-skill piercing javelin? that knocks me off my feet, maybe you should play as a templar.

Did you know you can break out of stuns as soon as they happen by hitting the interrupt keybind? You also get a 7 second immunity to ALL CC when you do that, the ability also has a slower travel time than the instant teleport of Bolt Escape.

CC immunity is for hard cc's only, not soft CC's. L2P before your tears launch Noah's Arc v2.0.....

Soft CC has no effect on the ability to Bolt Escape, you really have no idea how to play this game.

Asava

Ya, that's pretty obvious since I'm the one crying over here in every thread related to BE.

Yusuf

well i heard there would be a cc immunity but i still get knocked down the seconds i stand up and as soon as i break out 2 times im out of juice and die. I know people with the Ball of lightning-morph are annoying as hell (there are BE-sorcs in other factions too) but that's what the skill is made for, escaping, the ball is a magnet for anything you shoot at him, and i have to pop a potion everytime i try to escape using my streak (offensive morph), maybe healthpotions are the real issue here?

NordJitsu

Igolbug wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

I see Bolt Escaping sorcs getting killed every time I go to Cyrodiil.

If you're not able to kill Sorcs or counter this ability, ask for help from better players.

Don't cry and whine that because you're personal failing that something is imbalanced.

I can kill the bad sorcs who try to use the bolt escape, but the good ones are unkillable. and they don't just run they run but keep you in range so that if you waste all your stats chasing they kill you.

I can kill bad DKs who use Firery Reach.

I can kill bad Templars using Piercing Javelin.

I can kill bad Night Blades using Reapers Mark.

Sometimes I lose to the good ones.

Getting out played does not mean there is an issue with the skill.

Kingslayer

Counters to Bolt escape Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kfzJ1lNlU4

WaystedMinedub17_ESO

Considering Mist Form was always been easier to counter than Bolt Escape, time for the BE nerf since the mouth-breathers of this game could never figure out how pathetically easy it was to counter Mist Form (or elusive mist).

Helba

Light armor 7/7 = 21%
Worm Cult 5pc Set = 8%
Seducers 3pc Set = 3%
3 x Reduce spell cost by 18 Magicka Jewlery (Even more with legendary enchants)
Attributes: 0/49/0

Total =

12 Bolt escapes in a row
14 with a Magicka pot

With a full magicka bar and near max spell cost reduction but when it comes to pvp it has to be managed or I will quicky run low on magicka and will not have enough resources to fight at all. Against a good player spamming bolt escape is all or nothing move, either you die because you burn your resources on it or get away.

How to counter Bolt Escape:

Gap Closers

Critical Charge (2H)
Shield Charge (1H & S)
Piercing Javelin (Templar)
Focused Charge (Templar)
Path of Darkness (Nightblade)
Doge Rolling with Hasty Retreat (Bow)
Extended Chains (Dragonknight)
Invest in stamina (Horse)

Tools to use against a Sorceror:

Reflective Scale + Sustain (Dragonknights should never die to a sorceror.)
Shadow Cloak (Stops projectiles) + Extremely High Burst + CC (Nightblades)
Eclipse + Sun Shield + Sustain and Self Healing (Templars)
Block (You can block the knock down and most of the dmg from crystal fragments)
Interrupts (Poison Arrow from Bow or Crushing Shock from Destruction Staff because casting crystal fragments can easily be seen)
Annulment (50% Incoming Spell damage reduction)
Soul Assault (or any high damage ability to execute them before they even think to turn to escape)

Why aren't you using these things?

I joke about this with my guildies all the time but I mean it,"I rarely ever meet good DKs or pvpers in general. They don't know that spell reflect or block exists and eat crystal frags for no damn reason" and I'll probably keep saying it until the general population learns to play lol.

This is coming from a sorceror that pvps all day and a theorycrafter. It pains me to see how inexperienced players of other classes fail to use their own tools to fight a sorceror. Mobility is our bread and butter in pvp because the other three classes are able to win encounters against a sorceror because we lack high direct damage and sustain that the other classes have built in.

Just by looking at the skills from each class from a theorycrafting standpoint you can tell that sorcs are only good for chasing and escaping, of course good ones are unkillable because they don't pick the wrong fights. While good nightblades can literally 1 shot out of stealth, good DKs can tank and wipe dozens players and good templars deliver the best heals. I could go on about how to play your class but know this.

Good players/guilds have no problem dealing with sorcerors, nerfed or not it'll only hurt our hybrid builds and lower the skill cap in pvp. Crystal fragments is a pugstomp ability at best and can easily be countered and it's our main sorce of damage and is probably what most of you are dying to. If you are dying to that then take a step back and go ask the advice of pvpers who are more knowledgeable than you about how to counter it or ask me ingame @‌Helba or Sonya and I will teach you how to use your class effectively to deal with sorcerors. Thanks for reading.

monkeymystic

Escape bolt is being abused to hell atm. They have to make sorcerors not SPAM it give it a debuff so it's only effective every 3 seconds or something.

The_Drexill

Bolt escape is fine. I thought it was broken too when I was a DK... now that I'm a sorc, I see that it's only really great for running away... and even then, I die plenty.

Like others said, use any CC ability ever, in the game... and it will counter bolt escape. No, you wont be able to kill the sorc standing in place swinging your weapon.

Niffo

brandondickenson_ESO wrote: »

Bolt escape is fine. I thought it was broken too when I was a DK... now that I'm a sorc, I see that it's only really great for running away... and even then, I die plenty.

Like others said, use any CC ability ever, in the game... and it will counter bolt escape. No, you wont be able to kill the sorc standing in place swinging your weapon.

"Now that I have rerolled to be able to abuse the overpowered ability, it is perfectly fine.

monkeymystic

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

brandondickenson_ESO wrote: »

Bolt escape is fine. I thought it was broken too when I was a DK... now that I'm a sorc, I see that it's only really great for running away... and even then, I die plenty.

Like others said, use any CC ability ever, in the game... and it will counter bolt escape. No, you wont be able to kill the sorc standing in place swinging your weapon.

"Now that I have rerolled to be able to abuse the overpowered ability, it is perfectly fine.

Pretty much this. My guildies either quit or rerolled Sorceror to stay competitive.

All the sorcerors will understand how bad this is when 90% of the playerbase in pvp are Sorcerors.

Asava

Compared to the 90% player base of DK's that we have now?

Tintinabula

grabbintrionb14_ESO wrote: »

yea this is probably the most broken mobility skill I have ever seen in MMO pvp. needs a short cooldown or something because you can easily outrun a whole raid with this. wiz will definitely be FOTM for this escape alone

I usually play a sorc..and decided to make a battle mage dk wearing cloth and wielding a destro staff. If this is the only skill that makes sorc viable?..no ty..id rather not learn how to "run away" effectively.

Kingslayer

Bolt escape doesn't make anybody invincible its an escape mechanic deal with it god.

Nijjion

Kingslayer wrote: »

Bolt escape doesn't make anybody invincible its an escape mechanic deal with it god.

If you have any clue how to play the game... in a way yes it does as you will never get caught when you are.

No class should have a get away skill in a RvR game that is spamable.

Kingslayer

Nijjion wrote: »

Kingslayer wrote: »

Bolt escape doesn't make anybody invincible its an escape mechanic deal with it god.

If you have any clue how to play the game... in a way yes it does as you will never get caught when you are.

No class should have a get away skill in a RvR game that is spamable.

Get away? Never get caught? You sir must be useless then i catch them all the time. It does not make them invincible at all. It is you who has no clue whatsoever. In an RvR type game their is more reason for it in large scale type combat if this was small scale pvp you may have a point but alas it ain't.