Bolt escape - really?

AngelofAwe

Zargorius wrote: »

Yeah right, totally impossible. There is no way to kill a sorcerer now , nerf nerf derp derp.

That's pretty much correct. A decently competent sorcerer will escape any situation 9 times out of 10 thanks to bolt escape.

Xsorus

you're not going to get off Charge or the Pull before the Sorc is out of distance.

I don't know in what world you people live in.

Semel

A decently competent sorcerer will escape for sure only without wasting any mana to deal damage to you . Whats the problem? He kept his magicka to do this and wasted it all on escaping ability. He is ENTITLED to escape this way.

AngelofAwe

Semel wrote: »

A decently competent sorcerer will escape for sure only without wasting any mana to deal damage to you . Whats the problem? He kept his magicka to do this and wasted it all on escaping ability. He is ENTITLED to escape this way.

*** he's not "entitled" to escape anywhere if he's screwed up so badly he never even noticed the enemy coming, or if he got jumped by an entire raid.

But he can.

jolith07b14_ESO

Attention OP... you are a crybaby

kcolasaccob14_ESO

Your problem is that you're focused on one guy that's running away. What a stupid post. Rage on!

dahl.lucas_ESO

With the amount of energy and time spent wanting to nurf this ability, I would think if used to create a strategy to properly counter this would be far more effective and rewarding.....just my thoughts as an avid pvp'r.

Sleepydan

Agree to disagree I guess. I still like boundless storm more. I haven't really tested hard limits but I bet in a no mount marathon race but sprinting away with that up is the winner. plus that toughness and aoe.

Zanderscotxub17_ESO

Wow its these people that dum down MMO. What makes a abilitie overpowered is to force your will upon a opponent and always win. Bolt ecape does not do this.

BOLT ESCAPE IS NO LIMITLESS....

IT is a good chunk of mana and if you are in a fight good guess you will only have mana to port 2-3 times. Easily run down with maneuvers. If its a full on escape with 5-7 , he has done little to no damage. Yes you can run them down, they have to stop to regenerate mana.

Abilities to catch

Speed pots

Maneuvers

Mist

Another sorc

Sprint with templer stamina reg

You can fully catch a full 5-7 bolts, L2P

The people who are qq probably arnt even VR if you get one-2 shotted by a sorc and then the guy tp away. You need to go level and find a mentor.

Stop qq nerf not even half the population has VR and I hate to burst you bubble but ..

THE BEST ESCAPE IS MIST MORPH and you can add maneuvers = 80% speed increase. WAY FASTER. Stopp qq and ask for help and learn.

Xsorus

You people citing Maneuvers do realize it cost like 800 Stamina alone right?

I run Maneuvers, it in no way will let you catch a Sorc... you're kidding yourself

Kolache

Semel wrote: »

If your enemy runs -it means you won.

Nobody thinks like this. Probably due to the fact that winning is usually associated with some sort of reward. Of course it doesn't help that being able to disengage at will usually means you can also reengage at will, in which case you can just reset the fight until you get it right.

Ziz

There are ways to counter it. Just because your spec isn't set up for it or you don't know how isnt a good reason to make changes.

Use a charge every time they bolt escape. Problem solved.

Kolache

Ziz wrote: »

Use a charge every time they bolt escape. Problem solved.

Gee, why didn't everyone already think about that? Genius!

Ziz

Kolache wrote: »

Ziz wrote: »

Use a charge every time they bolt escape. Problem solved.

Gee, why didn't everyone already think about that? Genius!

Apparently some people haven't or this thread wouldn't be 3 pages

smercgames_ESO

The ability is extremely strong for mobility but it's not like he's killing you with it if he uses it multiple times in a row because by now he's halfway across the map. He now becomes part of your story of "the one who got away".. it'll just be that much sweeter when you run into them again and finish them off. All of you who escape me get your names written down and get hunted!

mcatchlovb16_ESO

I think the OP should pvp a little more and whine a little less. L2P buddy!

morf87

I have spent many many hours in pvp and had discussions with vr players who use bolt escape and i can tell u 100% Bolt escape is op. i dont need to list the flaws in this skill u all know what it does and how spammable it can be at high rank.
Im not sure how anyone can argue otherwise and some suggestions in this thread on how to counter it are laughable.
PVP needs balance ! add a cooldown on this ability.

codyyoungnub18_ESO

Good thing there are no silences or negates to stop one from casting....

*also got multiple potion combinations with run speed like run and invis etc.

Mobius0

Toy wrote: »

Check this guys vid and tell me again that the skill is legit/balanced whatever: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/75330/solo-pvp-video-vr1-sorcerer#latest

scy22b14_ESO wrote: »

I'm see a lot of "there are counters" comments. Yet nobody saying that knows what they are. Odd that.

bc there's no counter to a sorc quadruple spamming it and still being > 50% magicka afterwards.

The skill looks fine to me. I'd destroy that guy if he wasted his mana on that crap, against me.

Lighting form is better.

EDIT: To answer the person who was asking HOW - For one, I'd have mark target on him, so he couldn't stealth. Two, I am built for speed, and would easily catch him, with no gap closer.

Knockdowns also work well, because you can't use CC break for them.

But the real reason he was escaping is stealth, which they had no counter for. A simple magelight would have done the trick.

ThatHappyCat

Mobius0 wrote: »

But the real reason he was escaping is stealth, which they had no counter for. A simple magelight would have done the trick.

Have you actually tried Magelight? The detection aspect is nearly non-existent.

Wolfaen

morf87 wrote: »

I have spent many many hours in pvp and had discussions with vr players who use bolt escape and i can tell u 100% Bolt escape is op. i dont need to list the flaws in this skill u all know what it does and how spammable it can be at high rank.
Im not sure how anyone can argue otherwise and some suggestions in this thread on how to counter it are laughable.
PVP needs balance ! add a cooldown on this ability.

LOL! Add a cooldown on this ability?!?!?!? So you expect them to add a cooldown to one ability in the whole game where no other ability has a cooldown? Couldn't help but laugh at this.

Reavan

Wolfaen wrote: »

morf87 wrote: »

I have spent many many hours in pvp and had discussions with vr players who use bolt escape and i can tell u 100% Bolt escape is op. i dont need to list the flaws in this skill u all know what it does and how spammable it can be at high rank.
Im not sure how anyone can argue otherwise and some suggestions in this thread on how to counter it are laughable.
PVP needs balance ! add a cooldown on this ability.

LOL! Add a cooldown on this ability?!?!?!? So you expect them to add a cooldown to one ability in the whole game where no other ability has a cooldown? Couldn't help but laugh at this.

my feed and drain essence has a cd on a singular enemy.
But still id not see this skill nerfed to the ground.
Upping the mana cost each consecutive cast would be a way to limit spam.
You would still gain lots of distance but not quite out near render range.

Semel

The cost is already high. + it puts a regen debuf.

add a cooldown on this ability.

you wanna add a cooldown to an escape ability yet gap closers do not have a cooldown.
what a frigging joke

The detection aspect is nearly non-existent.

Have YOU tried it? It detects just fine. When we were PVPing it was hilarious to kill small groups of players who thought they knew better and were hidden in stealth

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morf87

Wolfaen wrote: »

LOL! Add a cooldown on this ability?!?!?!? So you expect them to add a cooldown to one ability in the whole game where no other ability has a cooldown? Couldn't help but laugh at this.

Defend the ability all you like, players who want balance pvp know it makes sense to add a cooldown or atleast have it cost a huge amount of magika 50% and stop magika regen ? .
Are u new to pvp games ?

devironfaranigps_ESO

Its an escape ability. They didnt win the fight nor can they reset it with the magika costs and negative regen after using. If a sorc uses it they do it so they can bail out they dont win you dont win simple as that.

Kolur

I just fought a Sorc, both of us V1.
He used that skill 7 times during fight. then over 10 times when running away...
Does this cost no magicka?!?

Samadhi

Biggest issue I have read regarding this skill is that Sorcs can spam it while carrying a scroll, making them impossible to catch on a scroll run.
I don't know about this first hand, I only read that from Reddit. I don't really object to the skill otherwise though.

sethydishub17_ESO

All the above mentioned strategies to beat bolt escape are all rediculous and have obviously never faced a vr10 with it before. if you somehow do land CC on them, they can just break and and be immune for 6 seconds by which time they are long gone. the ONLY chance you have is to have at least 4 people with a good amount of burst land a root / stun on him and Spam Inturrept when he breaks his CC. SOMETIMES not very often but SOMETIMES I've gotten it to inturrept the bolt escape and we could finsh him. I don't know if this is a bug or intended, but it works about 25% of the time. Also Nightblades have an ability where they can be invis constantly without stop?? not just 2 or 3 times, but 7-10 times. not as bad as sorc bolt escape, but still pretty silly. GL killing them.

Samadhi

sethydishub17_ESO wrote: »

... Also Nightblades have an ability where they can be invis constantly without stop?? not just 2 or 3 times, but 7-10 times. not as bad as sorc bolt escape, but still pretty silly. GL killing them.

Nightblades have an invisibility that lasts 2.5 seconds.
I normally have to rotate invisibility potions with the skill if I want to get anywhere before my Magicka is completely gone.

Sleepydan

This thread still exists? I don't, like really don't get how changing bolt escape into bolt die-anyway improves the game.

Not when the strategy at large involves using the same resource to escape as you are to damage. And all that regen you stacked goes to crap from the debuff. And this game has stupid huge fights to sack castles???


Maybe, just maybe in super over the top best gear ever players could do it all. If that's the case, the answer is to change the way the soft/hard caps work, because I'm not saying you should be able to do it all. I'm saying sorc mobility has strengths AND weaknesses relative to other class mobility skills, and that it's fine as is