ESO classic

tsaescishoeshiner

No

Account-wide achievements, subclassing, and scribing are some the best new features and QoL adjustments we've had. I also wouldn't want that development time to take away from new projects, or split the community into two parts.

The MMO with a "classic" format was already broken into smaller servers than ESO, and also had a much bigger scale of production.

That said, Cyrodiil's Vengeance campaign did lack CP, subclassing, and scribing—maybe they could expand on that and experiment with PvE content.

I played the game around launch—it was not better to have leveled zones, the veteran system, or to not be able to play with your friends on other factions.

Xarc

Yes

Erickson9610 wrote: »

ESO Classic would remove several quality of life features, like drop curation, the Armory, mount swimming, stackable writs/surveys, and many more we take for granted.

why ?
We are not asking for all of this to be removed.

It seems you haven't understood the concept.

TheSherryOnTop

Yes

Totally fine with CP and AWA but I prefered ESO without subclassing and scribing.

Erickson9610

No

Xarc wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

ESO Classic would remove several quality of life features, like drop curation, the Armory, mount swimming, stackable writs/surveys, and many more we take for granted.

why ?
We are not asking for all of this to be removed.

It seems you haven't understood the concept.

Generally, "classic" modes refer to an early version of that game. WoW Classic is an early build of WoW, Minecraft Classic is an early build of Minecraft, and so on. I assumed ESO Classic would be just that — an early build of ESO, before any of those QoL features were added.

What is being asked for in the original post makes no sense, though. That is like the No-Proc No-CP campaign of Cyrodiil, where arbitrary things were disabled (or supposed to be, anyway) and as it turned out, that was an unpopular campaign, save for those who valued using skills over sets.


You can't cherry pick the best bits and call it a classic mode of ESO. Further, the implication of a "classic mode" is that it does not receive new updates from the modern game.

Tandor

No

If there were new regional servers requiring new characters only with no transfers to them but without account-wide achievements then I'd play exclusively on them.

The other things listed by the OP are of no concern to me.

Radiate77

Yes

I voted Yes simply for the fact that I am always in favor of more options, not because I see anything wrong with any of the things Classic would be without.

That said, you can’t pick and choose if we were to have a Classic, that way we can give people that true April 2014 ESO nostalgia.

We would need the Overload Sorcerers running around hitting 100k Overloads with 3 health bars, the 100% ranged reflect Wings reflecting Meteors and our old Bat Swarm and Sun Shield nuking entire zergs, with Nightblades fearing us into walls roll dodging forever.

Then we could bring back the Camo Hunter exploit to trivialize any and all PvE encounters, and make it so all mobs drop 1-3 gold, and while we’re at it, perhaps we should remove Veteran Dungeons and Trials from Classic too, as those weren’t part of Launch.

joergino

No

In your list, you forgot: absolutely no quality of life

AvalonRanger

No

Xarc wrote: »

Would you be interested in a new version of ESO with the following features:

• No cp
• No Account Wide Achievements
• No subclassing
• No scribing

This is already a starting point, although it could be supplemented by other things.

I can't understand purpose of this.

kargen27

No

I think account wide achievements was the worst change made to the game but have zero interest in an ESO classic server.

Getsugatenso

Yes

I just want more difficulty in the open world.

spartaxoxo

No

If it rolled back to Veteran levels, we'd be missing a ton of quality of life improvements and fun systems. The classic version of this game was DOA. It had to have a relaunch. Rolling back to vet levels removes everything in the game from Dark Brotherhood onwards.

This would mean....

No DLC dungeons except Imperial City
No Transmute Station
No Battle Grounds
No Jewelry Crafting
No curated drops
No Armory station
No sticker book
No group finder
No guild store improvements
No marking unknown collectibles
No Warden
No Arcanist
No Antiquities


Etc etc

No, thank you

ArchMikem

No

I like Scribing, I like Subclassing, and I like Champion Levels (but I'd prefer going back to Veteran Levels and leveled Zones).

But I only like these things in PvE.

I'm fairly certain the majority of people who'd want an "ESO Classic" are PvPers.

karthrag_inak

No

Xarc wrote: »

• No cp
• No Account Wide Achievements
• No subclassing
• No scribing

You know that all of those things are available except for no AWA right now, yes? Knock yourself out!

Necrotech_Master

No

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

I like AWA, subclassing, hybridization, unleveled zones so big NO from me.

this

Xarc wrote: »

This does not imply that the current version of ESO would no longer exist; it would be a parallel version, like in WoW.

i would rather the devs not have to split their time to moderate/update/maintain a completely different version of ESO than just work on actually fine tuning and correcting issues within the current eso game

Lord_Hev

Yes

The longevity of it would be questionable, but I could see dlc being added to classic if against all presumptuous presumptions the population of a classic server booms due to the return of old school players + new-timers realizing how fun an elder scrolls mmo actually is when it gets to function as a hardcore mmo.


Other mmos have done it, what is the actual argument against ESO classic other than pure personal bias? The only real question is developer effort and monetization for the work done for such a thing. Unless there is an actual precedent where such an undertaking negatively damaged a game beyond repair, I'm not seeing it.

Xarc

Yes

Already 135 votes on this poll !

I expected less than 30% of participants to be in favor of ESO Classic. That's just huge!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILLLG6GzPLc&list=PL5xRmUPzRZVkdFPMwGcr3e4kC8ezBvyZs&index=1&pp=iAQB8AUB

AlienatedGoat

No

We really can't afford to splinter our playerbase. I want to see the playerbase come together instead (like with crossplay).

Yudo

No

I want them to roll back those things, but if they are splitting the non existing player base even more rather than fixing it. I'm ready to look elsewhere even if Classic is becomes an alternative.

I want them to focus on balancing already and maybe cross play eventually, this is the future of ESO that makes sense to me.

colossalvoids

No

The difference between ESO and WoW is that ESO didn't really had a distinct "golden age", it's a mixed bag of pre-Morrowind, IC, around Summerset etc. for different groups of people.

Also the major audience be it TES fans or MMO players being those PvE or PvP oriented ones have left the game and found new "homes" already, there's no way ESO could sustain two games when one is barely working and need to cut major features to fit some new animations, it's not in any shape or form going to survive a split.

edward_frigidhands

No

Xarc wrote: »

Would you be interested in a new version of ESO with the following features:

• No cp
• No Account Wide Achievements
• No subclassing
• No scribing

This is already a starting point, although it could be supplemented by other things.

This will be about almost as popular as the Ravenwatch campaign.

herkemur

Yes

Any form of "classic" for me would include getting rid of companions. This was a turning point in disenchantment with ESO for me. There's enough clutter with pets and whatnot without these zombie like characters staggering around in the way.

Danikat

This thread highlights what I think is the biggest problem with a "classic" mode: everyone has a different idea of what that means and a lot of people support it on the assumption it would mean removing all the things they don't like while keeping all the things they like, even though there's no guarantee that would happen.

No I don't think the game is perfect now, but I also don't think there's been a single build which was universally considered the best, they all have their pros and cons.

That means a copy of ESO reverted to any previous build might be an amusing novelty for a bit but that's all. Any version which includes only your personal favourite updates and not the ones you don't like is both not ESO Classic and not likely to happen because it would gave to be personalised for you and that doesn't work with an MMO.

Bucky Balls

Yes

As described as an addition without impacting the current and ongoing game developments, I don't see why not.

It would be interesting for me to discover whether as a neophyte mmo player I would fare any better than I did first time around a decade ago. Of course, I am no longer a young 70-ish year old and entropy, quite naturally, will and does have the final say in such things. It might also be interesting to see how much performance has degraded, particularly in pvp, over the years without the encumbrance of added systems and classes. The return to the simplicity of tank equals dragonknight and healer equals templar and the default dd race of redguard would be bliss, as would crafted sets being significantly more relevant.

I think I might miss the newer, dlc dungeons, though. Trials not so much as I have done very few of those and of those, I think, only some original Craglorn ones. The craft bag's absence would be quite a challenge, however.

Still, definitely something I would find interesting and worth a look as separate from the current game, as the OP clearly described.

peacenote

No

So, I like having CP and Scribing. Especially Scribing.

I HATE AwA but I want it re-implemented/fixed so that we have better character tracking, and ability to see both account and character progress. And also, reverting AwA now would do nothing for me, because I'm sure all that character data that was deleted is gone and can't be restored, and things I have done per character since then hasn't been tracked.

Sub-classing has its issues, but could be saved/fixed/balanced. If it was just ripped from the game now there's a lot of things people have enjoyed experimenting with that would be taken away, and I'm not a fan of removing things people enjoy if it could be helped.

thatnewcatsmell wrote: »

This might a quester's dream, but it is a raider's nightmare. Early ESO had some interesting ideas and I'm certainly not a fan of all changes over the years, but we have so much QoL now it's probably too hard to go back. Think transmuting, reconstruction, curated drops, the armory system or even the outfit system. Also, a lot of old content is rather dull as compared to current content, even if you crank up the 'difficulty' by stripping away some of the power creep.

You could imagine a version of ESO with all the QoL features but without [enter your pet peeve here], but that wouldn't really be an ESO Classic. I'd rather have ZOS iterating on those features, instead of focusing on another (and frankly worse IMO) version of ESO, dividing the player base.

I'm more of a raider than a quester, but I do both, and I'm not sure it's a quester's dream either, especially if the idea is to take us back to the time before all of these features. :P

Erickson9610 wrote: »

At that point, you'd be playing ESO Classic solely for the combat, which is a very niche audience. There's so much more to this game than just the way you fight enemies.

I'm here because this game has combat (I wouldn't play it if it didn't) and... yea, I'm not sure removing all of these things would magically make combat better. The fact that they often use sledghammers when an exacto knife would do is how we got here in the first place!

Xarc

Yes

spartaxoxo wrote: »

If it rolled back to Veteran levels, we'd be missing a ton of quality of life improvements and fun systems. The classic version of this game was DOA. It had to have a relaunch. Rolling back to vet levels removes everything in the game from Dark Brotherhood onwards.

This would mean....

No DLC dungeons except Imperial City
No Transmute Station
No Battle Grounds
No Jewelry Crafting
No curated drops
No Armory station
No sticker book
No group finder
No guild store improvements
No marking unknown collectibles
No Warden
No Arcanist
No Antiquities


Etc etc

No, thank you

I never said anything about removing all of that. It's simply about CP, AwA, subclassing, and scribing.
Why are you going off on a paranoid tangent just to scare people?

The only other thing I haven't mentioned, but which could be considered in ESO Classic, is Tamriel Unlimited, meaning that from the start all faction zones are accessible to everyone. Personally, I find this anti-RP and absurd, but never mind, I didn't mention it.
You start with a red character, you can't go to the blue team until you've finished the main quest, just like it was at the game's launch.

thatnewcatsmell

No

Xarc wrote: »

I never said anything about removing all of that. It's simply about CP, AwA, subclassing, and scribing.
Why are you going off on a paranoid tangent just to scare people?

Because when you call something 'ESO Classic', people are going to assume you mean an ESO server rolled back to an earlier patch, not just ESO with a couple of features turned off.

Anyway, you can already play without scribing, subclassing and champion points in the current version of ESO and if you want to play the zones in the classic order you can do that too.

Xarc

Yes

thatnewcatsmell wrote: »

Xarc wrote: »

I never said anything about removing all of that. It's simply about CP, AwA, subclassing, and scribing.
Why are you going off on a paranoid tangent just to scare people?

Anyway, you can already play without scribing, subclassing and champion points in the current version of ESO and if you want to play the zones in the classic order you can do that too.

Sure, you can play without subclasses and scribing, but you can't force others to NOT use it. And that's the whole problem with an MMO;
If it were a single-player game, no problem, you could just disable the settings, but here you're playing against or with people who use all of that.

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I'm not here to convince people; we're not going to rehash all the debates on every single thing. There are plenty of threads on AwA, subclassing, etc.

This thread is simply to get a glimpse, at a specific point in time, of what percentage of the community would like to play ESO in a more traditional style.
For now, let's say it's a quarter of the community based on a sample of 200 votes (which is a lot compared to most polls).

thatnewcatsmell

No

Xarc wrote: »

This thread is simply to get a glimpse, at a specific point in time, of what percentage of the community would like to play ESO in a more traditional style.
For now, let's say it's a quarter of the community based on a sample of 200 votes (which is a lot compared to most polls).

But you made it somewhat unclear by calling it 'ESO Classic' when it's actually not that, so I wouldn't put too much stock in the results (even ignoring the fact that the ESO forum users are an unrepresentative subset of a subset of the player base).

fizzybeef

Yes

Yes but with cp

Gabriel_H

No

Xarc wrote: »

This thread is simply to get a glimpse, at a specific point in time, of what percentage of the community would like to play ESO in a more traditional style.

Except it's not if you are talking about keeping all the things you like. It's ESO without AwA, Sub-classing, Scribing and Hybrdization, and bringing back VP (a failed system) instead of CP.

What else wouldn't you inlcude?