No-Proc No-Cp Set List

CaperGuy

virtus753 wrote: »

malistorr wrote: »

Order's Wrath is 100% just permanent buffs so I have no idea why ZOS would not have allowed it in Ravenwatch.

I suspect it's because the crit damage from Order's Wrath - like all crit damage - is conditional. You do not get crit damage above 125%, so the game has to process how much, if any, of the Order's Wrath bonus you should get. That fits the definition of a proc (i.e. process) set, according to ZOS.

It would also explain Archer's Mind crit damage bonus not working.

ETA: That's also why named buffs from sets did not work originally in no-proc rulesets. The game had to check whether you already had it in order to know whether to grant it or not. ZOS reworked it so it was allowed under no-proc. Presumably they could do the same thing for crit damage sets, but whether they will is the question.

I still haven’t tested whether archers mind bonus doesn’t work. I believe it was on ZOS’s list so I’m not taking it off of mine until I confirm or deny.

olsborg

I rly like playing ravenwatch, but there are still many, many sets that should work in no cp. Hope ZOS can take some action and make changes.

The_Titan_Tim

olsborg wrote: »

I rly like playing ravenwatch, but there are still many, many sets that should work in no cp. Hope ZOS can take some action and make changes.

Coral Riptide

The_one_i_seek

hello, is list from first post still up to date?

CaperGuy

I mean…Xbox just got the new patch today so I don’t have any of the new sets yet to test. It’s as up to date as I can make it based on the info that I know at the moment.

@ZOS_Kevin , will we eventually get an official list for no proc or game mechanic to take this burden off of me and the community? It was mentioned in the past that it would be worked on but then…radio silence?

blktauna

Indeed. This is a list ZOS should maintain. The guessing game on sets is getting old.

Xarc

Yes please.
We need to know

Luth7

CaperGuy wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin , will we eventually get an official list for no proc or game mechanic to take this burden off of me and the community? It was mentioned in the past that it would be worked on but then…radio silence?

This should be the bare mimimum; actually there should be an official ETA when the messy situation will be resolved and people can rely on tooltips when it comes to the "proc" term.

StarOfElyon

Romilly wrote: »

Its hard to tell. The rule of thumb suggests they've disable bursty proc sets. But Titanborn is exactly that, so why is it working according to reports?

Titanborn only gives stats. It doesn't do damage or heal for the player.

virtus753

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Romilly wrote: »

Its hard to tell. The rule of thumb suggests they've disable bursty proc sets. But Titanborn is exactly that, so why is it working according to reports?

Titanborn only gives stats. It doesn't do damage or heal for the player.

Coral Riptide only gives stats too, but that’s not working. I could see it being bugged, but after thinking about it a bit I wonder if it might be intentional: with a 60% weapon/spell damage modifier you get almost 1200 out of it, and it works out of combat, so you could lower your stam and then hit someone from stealth. So while it follows the pattern of Pariah, i.e. as you lose one stat you gain another, extra armor is not going to kill anyone as quickly as all that weapon/spell damage could. I could see that as a legitimate reason for handpicking some stat sets while excluding others.

olsborg

virtus753 wrote: »

so you could lower your stam and then hit someone from stealth.

Ppl already do that with titanborn when ganking.

virtus753

olsborg wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

so you could lower your stam and then hit someone from stealth.

Ppl already do that with titanborn when ganking.

You have to be in combat for Titanborn’s proc to function. You do not have to be in combat for Coral to work.

If Titanborn is a problem, I’d suggest reporting it as feedback (in game especially, since that’s what they prefer). But I think they currently see in-combat procs as more limited than out-of-combat ones and therefore more acceptable in the no-proc rule set.

CaperGuy

CaperGuy wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

malistorr wrote: »

Order's Wrath is 100% just permanent buffs so I have no idea why ZOS would not have allowed it in Ravenwatch.

I suspect it's because the crit damage from Order's Wrath - like all crit damage - is conditional. You do not get crit damage above 125%, so the game has to process how much, if any, of the Order's Wrath bonus you should get. That fits the definition of a proc (i.e. process) set, according to ZOS.

It would also explain Archer's Mind crit damage bonus not working.

ETA: That's also why named buffs from sets did not work originally in no-proc rulesets. The game had to check whether you already had it in order to know whether to grant it or not. ZOS reworked it so it was allowed under no-proc. Presumably they could do the same thing for crit damage sets, but whether they will is the question.

I still haven’t tested whether archers mind bonus doesn’t work. I believe it was on ZOS’s list so I’m not taking it off of mine until I confirm or deny.

According to my testing of archers mind today using heavy attacks against my alt account, with the same quality weapons, and no armour on the enemy, I get 8% higher crit damage not in stealth, and 24% higher crit damage out of stealth compared with the same test swapping or just one dual wield weapon (no passives taken). The advanced stats page also updates just fine if I’m stealthed out vs detected vs only wearing 4 pieces.

So…. Archers Mind still works. I’m leaving it on my list.

tsaescishoeshiner

CaperGuy wrote: »

List also featured by Alcast on eso hub. https://eso-hub.com/en/guides/sets-that-work-in-no-champion-points-campaign

I've copied/pasted the list of sets that were noted as working in No-Proc No-CP when Update 31 hit, as of the final PC patch notes. If I made any mistakes, let me know. I've tried to keep the list as updated as I could with reports coming in.

**Edited 06 September 2022. Feel free to advise me of more 'secret sets' that work despite not being in ZoS's list.**

I also have a list that I came up with in the past for sets that while the 'proc' part doesn't work, they have an extra 5pc line so may be considered for more build diversity:


BASE GAME

PvP Campaign Changes
For Update 31, the existing No-CP Cyrodiil and Imperial City campaigns will now also prohibit proc sets from firing. We have expanded the number of sets from the original grouping that worked during the initial test several months ago.

Additionally, we will be disabling Volendrung in the No-CP, No-Proc Campaign.

Aetherial Ascension
Agility
Akaviri Dragonguard
Amber Plasm
Archer's Mind
Armor of the Seducer
Armor of the Trainee
Assassin's Guile
Bahraha's Curse (aka Bahara) (4-pieces)
Bastion of the Heartland
Battlefield Acrobat
Beekeeper’s Gear
Black Rose
Blessing of the Potentates
Blooddrinker
Buffer of the Swift
Caustic Arrow (Master) - looks like it's disabled in no-proc as of v7.1.6 incremental patch(Arena Weapons
Caustic Arrow: Fixed an issue where this set was not retaining its effects after bar swapping. As a result, this item set is no longer able to be handled by the server entirely, and as such will no longer work in no-proc environments.)
Champion of the Hist
Crafty Alfiq
Crushing Wall (Maelstrom) - Seems to have broken in No Proc as of Update 35
Dagon's Dominion
Darkstride
Deadly Strike
Duneripper's Scales
Draugr Hulk
Eagle Eye
Elf Bane
Endurance
Eyes of Mara
Flanking Strategist
Frostbite
Fortified Brass
Grace of the Ancients
Hawk's Eve
Healer's Habit
Hunding’s Rage
Impregnable Armor
Innate Axiom
Jailbreaker
Jorvuld's Guidance
Kvatch Gladiator
Leki's Focus
Law of Julianos
Light Speaker
Leviathan
Mark of the Pariah
Marksman's Crest
Medusa
Mighty Chudan
Mother’s Sorrow
Netch's Touch
Night Mother's Embrace
Night Terror (3-piece)
Order of Diagna
Orgnum's Scales
Perfected Caustic Arrow (Master) - looks like it's disabled in no-proc as of v7.1.6 incremental patch(Arena Weapons
Caustic Arrow: Fixed an issue where this set was not retaining its effects after bar swapping. As a result, this item set is no longer able to be handled by the server entirely, and as such will no longer work in no-proc environments.)
Perfected Crushing Wall - appears to have been broken in no proc as of Update 35.
Permafrost
Plague Doctor
Ranger's Gait
Rattlecage
Red Eagle's Fury
Relics of the Physician, Ansur
Robes of Alteration Mastery
Robes of Destruction Mastery
Salvation
Sergeant's Mail - ....still works after it's revamp in update 35 despite building stacks of an effect that the server would have to keep track of. Explain that one....
Shacklebreaker
Shalks Exoskeleton
Shapeshifter's Chain (Reported Jan 5th as not working. Tested via Werewolf Transformation at Ravenwatch main gate, no cost decrease and no stat boost when transformed.)
Shield Breaker
Shield of the Valiant (5-set bonus)
Silks of the Sun
Slimecraw
Spider Cultist Cowl
Spinner’s Garments
Spriggan’s Thorns
Strength of the Automaton
Swamp Raider
Sword Dancer
Sword-Singer
Syvarra's Scales (4-pieces)
Toothrow
Treasure Hunter
Trial by Fire
Torug's Pact
Twice-Born Star (I've received reports in this thread on January 4th that Twice-Born Star does not work in no-proc, though in my quick test with all body pieces and mundus equipped prior to travelling into Ravenwatch, did still seem to work for me at least at the gate.)
Twilight's Embrace
Vampire's Cloak
Vesture of Darloc Brae (4-piece)
Warrior-Poet
War Maiden
Way of Air (4-piece)
Way of the Arena
Willow's Path
Willpower
Witch-Knight's Defiance
Wrath of the Imperium
Ysgramor's Birthright








**Build Diversity - researched using eso-hub - Since these weren't listed, the 5pc 'proc' part may not work, but these have an additional 5pc stat line so some people might consider them for more build diversity:


Call of the Undertaker
Coward's Gear
Dauntless Combatant
Dead Water's Guile
Dragon's Defilement
Fasalla's Guile
Hanu's Compassion
Heem-Jas' Retribution
Hex Siphon
Hide of Morihaus
Kagrenac's Hope
Knightmare
Might of the Lost Legion
Oblivion's Edge
Oblivion's Foe
Pestilent Host
Sentry
Shadow Dancer's Raiment
Vastarie's Tutelage
Vicious Death
Wisdom of Vanus
Wizard's Riposte



Edit - during PTS and once the patch hit, there are some other sets that have been tested and found to be working that -are not- on the patch note list. The ones mentioned were below

New Moon Acolyte
Footman's Fortune
Heartland Conqueror
Gaze of Sithis
Malacath
Ring of the Wild Hunt
Titanborn
Ancient Dragonguard
Torc of Tonal Constancy
Markyn Ring of Majesty
Fiord's Legacy
Prisoner's Rags
Talfyg's Treachery
True-Sworn Fury
Vampire Lord
Eternal Vigor
Oakensoul Ring
Druid's Braid


So there may yet be more sets that work despite the official list.

I just tested Order's Wrath. The Critical Chance on the 5-piece works, but the Critical Damage and Healing only increased those stats by 1% each instead of 8%. Too bad, because this would be a really nice one to have and seems like it should work. I left a /feedback.

Edit: No I didn't check if anyone already tested it because it's an 8-page thread lol. Just looking for werewolf sets!

CaperGuy

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

CaperGuy wrote: »

List also featured by Alcast on eso hub. https://eso-hub.com/en/guides/sets-that-work-in-no-champion-points-campaign

I've copied/pasted the list of sets that were noted as working in No-Proc No-CP when Update 31 hit, as of the final PC patch notes. If I made any mistakes, let me know. I've tried to keep the list as updated as I could with reports coming in.

**Edited 06 September 2022. Feel free to advise me of more 'secret sets' that work despite not being in ZoS's list.**

I also have a list that I came up with in the past for sets that while the 'proc' part doesn't work, they have an extra 5pc line so may be considered for more build diversity:


BASE GAME

PvP Campaign Changes
For Update 31, the existing No-CP Cyrodiil and Imperial City campaigns will now also prohibit proc sets from firing. We have expanded the number of sets from the original grouping that worked during the initial test several months ago.

Additionally, we will be disabling Volendrung in the No-CP, No-Proc Campaign.

Aetherial Ascension
Agility
Akaviri Dragonguard
Amber Plasm
Archer's Mind
Armor of the Seducer
Armor of the Trainee
Assassin's Guile
Bahraha's Curse (aka Bahara) (4-pieces)
Bastion of the Heartland
Battlefield Acrobat
Beekeeper’s Gear
Black Rose
Blessing of the Potentates
Blooddrinker
Buffer of the Swift
Caustic Arrow (Master) - looks like it's disabled in no-proc as of v7.1.6 incremental patch(Arena Weapons
Caustic Arrow: Fixed an issue where this set was not retaining its effects after bar swapping. As a result, this item set is no longer able to be handled by the server entirely, and as such will no longer work in no-proc environments.)
Champion of the Hist
Crafty Alfiq
Crushing Wall (Maelstrom) - Seems to have broken in No Proc as of Update 35
Dagon's Dominion
Darkstride
Deadly Strike
Duneripper's Scales
Draugr Hulk
Eagle Eye
Elf Bane
Endurance
Eyes of Mara
Flanking Strategist
Frostbite
Fortified Brass
Grace of the Ancients
Hawk's Eve
Healer's Habit
Hunding’s Rage
Impregnable Armor
Innate Axiom
Jailbreaker
Jorvuld's Guidance
Kvatch Gladiator
Leki's Focus
Law of Julianos
Light Speaker
Leviathan
Mark of the Pariah
Marksman's Crest
Medusa
Mighty Chudan
Mother’s Sorrow
Netch's Touch
Night Mother's Embrace
Night Terror (3-piece)
Order of Diagna
Orgnum's Scales
Perfected Caustic Arrow (Master) - looks like it's disabled in no-proc as of v7.1.6 incremental patch(Arena Weapons
Caustic Arrow: Fixed an issue where this set was not retaining its effects after bar swapping. As a result, this item set is no longer able to be handled by the server entirely, and as such will no longer work in no-proc environments.)
Perfected Crushing Wall - appears to have been broken in no proc as of Update 35.
Permafrost
Plague Doctor
Ranger's Gait
Rattlecage
Red Eagle's Fury
Relics of the Physician, Ansur
Robes of Alteration Mastery
Robes of Destruction Mastery
Salvation
Sergeant's Mail - ....still works after it's revamp in update 35 despite building stacks of an effect that the server would have to keep track of. Explain that one....
Shacklebreaker
Shalks Exoskeleton
Shapeshifter's Chain (Reported Jan 5th as not working. Tested via Werewolf Transformation at Ravenwatch main gate, no cost decrease and no stat boost when transformed.)
Shield Breaker
Shield of the Valiant (5-set bonus)
Silks of the Sun
Slimecraw
Spider Cultist Cowl
Spinner’s Garments
Spriggan’s Thorns
Strength of the Automaton
Swamp Raider
Sword Dancer
Sword-Singer
Syvarra's Scales (4-pieces)
Toothrow
Treasure Hunter
Trial by Fire
Torug's Pact
Twice-Born Star (I've received reports in this thread on January 4th that Twice-Born Star does not work in no-proc, though in my quick test with all body pieces and mundus equipped prior to travelling into Ravenwatch, did still seem to work for me at least at the gate.)
Twilight's Embrace
Vampire's Cloak
Vesture of Darloc Brae (4-piece)
Warrior-Poet
War Maiden
Way of Air (4-piece)
Way of the Arena
Willow's Path
Willpower
Witch-Knight's Defiance
Wrath of the Imperium
Ysgramor's Birthright








**Build Diversity - researched using eso-hub - Since these weren't listed, the 5pc 'proc' part may not work, but these have an additional 5pc stat line so some people might consider them for more build diversity:


Call of the Undertaker
Coward's Gear
Dauntless Combatant
Dead Water's Guile
Dragon's Defilement
Fasalla's Guile
Hanu's Compassion
Heem-Jas' Retribution
Hex Siphon
Hide of Morihaus
Kagrenac's Hope
Knightmare
Might of the Lost Legion
Oblivion's Edge
Oblivion's Foe
Pestilent Host
Sentry
Shadow Dancer's Raiment
Vastarie's Tutelage
Vicious Death
Wisdom of Vanus
Wizard's Riposte



Edit - during PTS and once the patch hit, there are some other sets that have been tested and found to be working that -are not- on the patch note list. The ones mentioned were below

New Moon Acolyte
Footman's Fortune
Heartland Conqueror
Gaze of Sithis
Malacath
Ring of the Wild Hunt
Titanborn
Ancient Dragonguard
Torc of Tonal Constancy
Markyn Ring of Majesty
Fiord's Legacy
Prisoner's Rags
Talfyg's Treachery
True-Sworn Fury
Vampire Lord
Eternal Vigor
Oakensoul Ring
Druid's Braid


So there may yet be more sets that work despite the official list.

I just tested Order's Wrath. The Critical Chance on the 5-piece works, but the Critical Damage and Healing only increased those stats by 1% each instead of 8%. Too bad, because this would be a really nice one to have and seems like it should work. I left a /feedback.

Edit: No I didn't check if anyone already tested it because it's an 8-page thread lol. Just looking for werewolf sets!

People have said it doesn’t work in the past, however in the current public test server patch notes for the upcoming chapter, they say they’re fixing it for no proc. From v9.0.0 PTS notes: “Order’s Wrath: Fixed an issue where this set could not be used in no-proc campaigns.” So we’ll have to test again when the chapter comes out and see.

sbam66

Anybody know if Velothi Ur-Mage's Amulet is working in no proc vs npcs & monsters?

Necrotech_Master

sbam66 wrote: »

Anybody know if Velothi Ur-Mage's Amulet is working in no proc vs npcs & monsters?

i dont know if this will be testable until the release, as i dont think there is even a no proc camp in the PTS

gariondavey

sbam66 wrote: »

Anybody know if Velothi Ur-Mage's Amulet is working in no proc vs npcs & monsters?

Not worth using regardless

Xarc

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

[...] as i dont think there is even a no proc camp in the PTS

there is not

Jammy420

What about the vampire lord armor?

CaperGuy

Vampire Lord was never listed by ZoS as working but was found by the community to work in Ravenwatch, as it states in the list on the first page. I just tested it (at least the ability cost increase for regular abilities and ability cost decrease for vampire abilities) and at the gate in RW it affected the skill cost tooltips.

FayJolyn

Man, wouldn't it just be nice if we would have an easy accessible ingame resource available that lists all the working sets for no-proc campaigns? Like a book at each alliance base that would alphabetically list all the allowed sets? Just my two cents.

CaperGuy

FayJolyn wrote: »

Man, wouldn't it just be nice if we would have an easy accessible ingame resource available that lists all the working sets for no-proc campaigns? Like a book at each alliance base that would alphabetically list all the allowed sets? Just my two cents.

Yes. Even if we had to look in the in game help menus. Or even nicer if they could light up the lines or grey them out if they are disabled, or turn disabled lines red…or something. Anything other than the radio silence. The only recent ZOS acknowledgment about No Proc that I can remember is that they’re planning to fix orders wrath so that it works in there.

@ZOS_Kevin don’t forget about us Ravenwatch players! We want to feel some kind of support! Let’s stop relying on CaperGuy’s transmute crystals to test stuff when it should be obvious if a set is enabled or disabled in game!

blktauna

It's ridiculous that no proper list has been made by ZOS for this. How long has this been asked for? Disgraceful.

Mophett

I was testing a Build with True Sworn Fury and although the base stat on the fifth bonus worked the lower your health goes did not seem to be giving any extra critical or critical damage as neither would show extra on the stat page in game.

Anyone able to double check this please because if this one is not properly working then Titanborn Strength may not be working properly either and I will put both sets into the "5pc 'proc' part does not work, but these have an additional 5pc line so some people might consider them for more build diversity" sections.

CaperGuy

Mophett wrote: »

I was testing a Build with True Sworn Fury and although the base stat on the fifth bonus worked the lower your health goes did not seem to be giving any extra critical or critical damage as neither would show extra on the stat page in game.

Anyone able to double check this please because if this one is not properly working then Titanborn Strength may not be working properly either and I will put both sets into the "5pc 'proc' part does not work, but these have an additional 5pc line so some people might consider them for more build diversity" sections.

Were you in combat when you were checking your stats? Because I tested true sworn fury in February 2022 with these notes in this thread, “ True-Sworn Fury - tested on adds outside a delve with and without the 5th piece jewelery on with my health below 75% and below 50% in combat, advanced stats sheet crit damage and the light attack damage numbers on adds confirm this set seems to work in no-proc.”

Jammy420

CaperGuy wrote: »

Vampire Lord was never listed by ZoS as working but was found by the community to work in Ravenwatch, as it states in the list on the first page. I just tested it (at least the ability cost increase for regular abilities and ability cost decrease for vampire abilities) and at the gate in RW it affected the skill cost tooltips.

Thanks ^^. So all my builds work, woooot! Never really cared for sets that do the work for me, is laziness pure to me.

Mophett

I tes

CaperGuy wrote: »

Mophett wrote: »

I was testing a Build with True Sworn Fury and although the base stat on the fifth bonus worked the lower your health goes did not seem to be giving any extra critical or critical damage as neither would show extra on the stat page in game.

Anyone able to double check this please because if this one is not properly working then Titanborn Strength may not be working properly either and I will put both sets into the "5pc 'proc' part does not work, but these have an additional 5pc line so some people might consider them for more build diversity" sections.

Were you in combat when you were checking your stats? Because I tested true sworn fury in February 2022 with these notes in this thread, “ True-Sworn Fury - tested on adds outside a delve with and without the 5th piece jewelery on with my health below 75% and below 50% in combat, advanced stats sheet crit damage and the light attack damage numbers on adds confirm this set seems to work in no-proc.”

I was in group fighting in Cyrodiil when testing and checking there was no difference in my critical when my health got lower.

sbam66

does anyone know if Back-Alley Gormound works in no proc?

Zabagad

sbam66 wrote: »

does anyone know if Back-Alley Gormound works in no proc?

I don't own the set and therefore I can't test ist, but until Caper can give the "final" answer I would answer:
Bright-Throat's Boast and Green Pact are not working so I assume that Back-Alley Gourmand (took me some time to find it with your spelling ) is not working too.