MagBlade Theorycrafting Changes Thread

ScruffyWhiskers

Nice video Fred4. That was fun.

I could never play that much over the shoulder though. I'm way more zoomed out and try and keep the view more pointing down from above. Your way does make for a very dramatic camera angle. Nice change of pace. And I know you said you favored speed but wow.

Also, as soon as I saw that poaching AD player, I knew what you were going to do. Then I heard the potion and saw the red eye and I was like "Go get him." lol.

GhostofDatthaw

Lol when that video started I thought it was I'm 2x speed. You weren't kidding about fast. That steed mundus and swift really does turn magnb speed to the next level.

Iskiab

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

Lol when that video started I thought it was I'm 2x speed. You weren't kidding about fast. That steed mundus and swift really does turn magnb speed to the next level.

Yea, super fast. Makes me want to record something too. People will go wtf is that when I show the build and hopefully be impressed with the results.

GhostofDatthaw

Lat time I recorded anything it was my ice build, I ran it a few patches ago and was amazingly fun and trolly

Winterborn/skoria/master ice/trans back

Was before the snare rework and I could stack so many snares unless you spammed snare removals you could not walk.

HowlKimchi

I have a lot of recordings but it always has the music from the youtube videos im watching on the 2nd monitor xD

ScruffyWhiskers

So PTS update this monday right? Anybody have any predictions for Magblade and the notes?

HowlKimchi

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

So PTS update this monday right? Anybody have any predictions for Magblade and the notes?

Pretty anxious that they might touch spectral bow, major resolve and major ward passives.

Insco851

HaruKamui wrote: »

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

So PTS update this monday right? Anybody have any predictions for Magblade and the notes?

Pretty anxious that they might touch spectral bow, major resolve and major ward passives.

If they touch em in a bad way..... ooof

fred4

Iskiab wrote: »

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

Lol when that video started I thought it was I'm 2x speed. You weren't kidding about fast. That steed mundus and swift really does turn magnb speed to the next level.

Yea, super fast. Makes me want to record something too. People will go wtf is that when I show the build and hopefully be impressed with the results.

Well, do! I didn't fancy the Shadowplay telemetry so used OBS, which also used the encoder in my GTX970. Not settled on a video editor yet. I used ffmpeg to merely trim the footage.

One of the reasons I did the clip is to provide some context. All of us have different playstyles and, perhaps, different skill levels. I plan to put up more clips that will include messing up and what I struggle with. Hint: templars, although Streak, as a single skill, comes a close second. It's more of a problem than detect potions, because every sorc runs it by default.

The camera is pretty close, which makes me feel more connected to the character. That's also why I prefer melee over ranged, I suppose. Viewing angle is the maximum, though, 130 degrees.

I am flattered by the positive reception. Thank you!

Jeezye

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

So PTS update this monday right? Anybody have any predictions for Magblade and the notes?

I dont actually expect any decent changes for magblade after they announced the focus on templer, sorc and dk..

ScruffyWhiskers

I'd like to see them standardize melee spamables across magicka and stamina. Concealed weapons should do the same damage as its stamina counterpart surprise attack.

I'd like to see them drop the ultimate cast time. But yeah, that's not going to happen. What if it went down to 200ms? That would be just enough for Caluurian to get behind soul harvest if you had nimble fingers.

I would also like to see a monster set the helped out magicka melee. Something that had a controllable proc condition or maybe just Stygian's last effect on a monster set.

brandonv516

Jeezye wrote: »

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

So PTS update this monday right? Anybody have any predictions for Magblade and the notes?

I dont actually expect any decent changes for magblade after they announced the focus on templer, sorc and dk..

Pretty much this.

I do hope they fix Refreshing Path so it procs Transmutation again.

HowlKimchi

I was inspired by fred4's awesome video so I compiled my own! I had to put music though because the audio from the youtube videos I was semi-watching while playing was coming through >_<

Clips are a combination of solo and with 2 friends! The last clip is a pretty long BG match that was pretty competitive. It's not complete though because I wasn't able to save the 2nd half of the match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEkd6r2QnoQ&amp;feature=youtu.be[/video]

I'm using Troll King, Torug's, Spinners, Steed Mundus, 2 Protective Jewelries, 1 Swift, 6 impen, 1 Reinforced, 5-1-1 light armor.

EDIT:
heyyy making videos are fun! Making the thumbnails are fun too it turns out... put together another one lol

https://youtu.be/gfJSSVkxwlE

Peacatcher

I'm pleased I stumbled across this thread. It's reassuring to know the pain points I've been having are shared by others. Particularly the difficulty in having an offensive presence and bar space issues.

Metemsycosis

In defense of impale ( a slim defense) you gotta get used to hammering impale just before the opponent takes the burst but yeah it is true it seems like if you get someone that low might as well use the spammable to get a ko.

So if i hit someone with say, a full fire staff heavy, a force pulse, clench combo -- now they're under pressure. I watch the health bar. If i can regularly keep them down under 50 percent i know another good combo will bring them to impale's execute range.

When i get there THEN i start hammering impale anytime they are about to take more damage so that when they take the damage from say force pulse while they are mid to low hp the impale is already in flight.

HowlKimchi

Metemsycosis wrote: »

In defense of impale ( a slim defense) you gotta get used to hammering impale just before the opponent takes the burst but yeah it is true it seems like if you get someone that low might as well use the spammable to get a ko.

So if i hit someone with say, a full fire staff heavy, a force pulse, clench combo -- now they're under pressure. I watch the health bar. If i can regularly keep them down under 50 percent i know another good combo will bring them to impale's execute range.

When i get there THEN i start hammering impale anytime they are about to take more damage so that when they take the damage from say force pulse while they are mid to low hp the impale is already in flight.

I agree that impale is nice to have for the finish. But then, if the spectral bow doesn't kill the target, the regular spammable (with light attack weave and torug's infused enchant damage) does the job 90% of the time for me, which is good enough to not need to slot another skill on my bar.

Iskiab

It might be better as a healer. A healer’s normal damage isn’t that high, but impale lets you kill steal from other teams and knock out shield stacking sorcs as they try to streak away. 3x damage in execute range is powerful.

HowlKimchi

I will say however, that on the magicka dotblade im trying out, it seems that impale is very nice to have! The dot build isn't as reliant to a spammable skill because of all the dots that need refreshing (trying out 3 dots), that by the time i've applied all the dots, spectral bow is almost up.

Metemsycosis

Yes and light attacks are brilliant with a dot game, so much easier to sustain damage output

WacArnold

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

So PTS update this monday right? Anybody have any predictions for Magblade and the notes?

I would love it if they would change the hemorrhage passive to provide minor prophecy as well, or at least have some sort of scaling to your higher resource to not be considered "op". Or they could take away the group aspect and just give both for mag and stam. Been waiting for this for a while but never happens.

Iskiab

WacArnold wrote: »

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

So PTS update this monday right? Anybody have any predictions for Magblade and the notes?

I would love it if they would change the hemorrhage passive to provide minor prophecy as well, or at least have some sort of scaling to your higher resource to not be considered "op". Or they could take away the group aspect and just give both for mag and stam. Been waiting for this for a while but never happens.

I don’t think they’d ever take away the group aspect to that passive. That aspect’s important for PvE because it means trial guilds have to take one of every class. Without passives like that every trial would be 2 DK tanks, Templar and Warden healer and 8 StamNecros. It’s a little better how it is because they include a NB and Sorc for the passives.

Well at least a NB, Sorc one is optional because trials are all stam.

Moonsorrow

HaruKamui wrote: »

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

So PTS update this monday right? Anybody have any predictions for Magblade and the notes?

Pretty anxious that they might touch spectral bow, major resolve and major ward passives.

I have this feeling that something nasty gonna happen to Cloak, hope it is just a feeling.

WacArnold

Iskiab wrote: »

WacArnold wrote: »

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

So PTS update this monday right? Anybody have any predictions for Magblade and the notes?

I would love it if they would change the hemorrhage passive to provide minor prophecy as well, or at least have some sort of scaling to your higher resource to not be considered "op". Or they could take away the group aspect and just give both for mag and stam. Been waiting for this for a while but never happens.

I don’t think they’d ever take away the group aspect to that passive. That aspect’s important for PvE because it means trial guilds have to take one of every class. Without passives like that every trial would be 2 DK tanks, Templar and Warden healer and 8 StamNecros. It’s a little better how it is because they include a NB and Sorc for the passives.

Well at least a NB, Sorc one is optional because trials are all stam.

I understand what your saying. I just wish they would add both lol would be nice to that little extra for a magblade.

brandonv516

I hope they consider changing Soul Siphon (heal alternative to Soul Tether) so it does not have a cast time.

It's an AoE burst heal and should not follow the same rules as the damage morph.

Iskiab

brandonv516 wrote: »

I hope they consider changing Soul Siphon (heal alternative to Soul Tether) so it does not have a cast time.

It's an AoE burst heal and should not follow the same rules as the damage morph.

Agreed. I think they sometimes try to balance things by adding cast times or restricting the functionality of abilities - it’s dumb.

Then you’re left with abilities that still suck even when things are ‘standardized’.

GhostofDatthaw

I know I've teased people about leaving magnb, but man... I might be leaving soon myself the class is just broken

HowlKimchi

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

I know I've teased people about leaving magnb, but man... I might be leaving soon myself the class is just broken

Really? What’s giving you a hard time?

GhostofDatthaw

HaruKamui wrote: »

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

I know I've teased people about leaving magnb, but man... I might be leaving soon myself the class is just broken

Really? What’s giving you a hard time?

It's just the class has lost its flare to me. In small groups is next to useless, and solo I feel like I'm role-playing open world duels. It's been pigeon holed into just cloak and single target. I'm finding increasingly hard to do anything outside of cloak, I just get gapclosed and pummeled because everyone knows the mag blades squishy. I can't build tankier because I will never be able to kill anyone. I can't cloak effectively anymore even with snare removal I'm just so much slower than everyone else in a range setup. I can't abuse shade like I used to because the cost increase will leave me mag drained. I could go melee but burst is reliant on calu and full damage sets to kill anything. Then I'm melee range with squish gear on and get blown up. I thought brp resto and healing ward would help but the shield melts before I even get healed. The dot meta negates all my hots and I just melt out of cloak. Sorcs and temps just laugh at cloak along with everyone running detect pots now.

It's just lost what it was for me. I used to go from a cloak style, to a shielding faux sorc with its own flare, to the up front heavy armor brawler, and they were all totally viable setups. Now it's just cloak abuse or get pummeled.

Lol sorry for the essay but it was a frustrating day in cyro for me, and reading the patch notes we get nothing but a couple more nerfs again

stamdammered

HaruKamui wrote: »

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

I know I've teased people about leaving magnb, but man... I might be leaving soon myself the class is just broken

Really? What’s giving you a hard time?

Personally... it’s just too unforgiving compared to other classes. My experience is: Outrun your shade? Dead. Low stamina? Dead.Get caught without shade up? Dead. Healing is lackluster, damage is decent, tankiness is nonexistent. From the amount of frustration on here I don’t think I’m the only one, especially with the stam sorc dizzy/onslaught and Templar Metas. They outclass the magblade in mobility, survivability, and damage. I’m still toying with magblade because stam isn’t much better and cba to roll another class.

I will be trying out your build though, I like the idea behind it and troll king will hopefully help with healing. Do you run brp resto? Assuming so, just wondering.

HowlKimchi

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

I know I've teased people about leaving magnb, but man... I might be leaving soon myself the class is just broken

Really? What’s giving you a hard time?

It's just the class has lost its flare to me. In small groups is next to useless, and solo I feel like I'm role-playing open world duels. It's been pigeon holed into just cloak and single target. I'm finding increasingly hard to do anything outside of cloak, I just get gapclosed and pummeled because everyone knows the mag blades squishy. I can't build tankier because I will never be able to kill anyone. I can't cloak effectively anymore even with snare removal I'm just so much slower than everyone else in a range setup. I can't abuse shade like I used to because the cost increase will leave me mag drained. I could go melee but burst is reliant on calu and full damage sets to kill anything. Then I'm melee range with squish gear on and get blown up. I thought brp resto and healing ward would help but the shield melts before I even get healed. The dot meta negates all my hots and I just melt out of cloak. Sorcs and temps just laugh at cloak along with everyone running detect pots now.

It's just lost what it was for me. I used to go from a cloak style, to a shielding faux sorc with its own flare, to the up front heavy armor brawler, and they were all totally viable setups. Now it's just cloak abuse or get pummeled.

Lol sorry for the essay but it was a frustrating day in cyro for me, and reading the patch notes we get nothing but a couple more nerfs again

Have you tried a high mag/health/stam recovery setup with the steed mundus and troll king? I think it ticks a lot of boxes that you’re having trouble with. Check the video i posted on this thread recently to see the general playstyle. Not that im bragging but I used to feel what you felt with the magblade so i theorycrafted that playstyle around a year ago and I havent stopped playing it since.