MagBlade Theorycrafting Changes Thread

Iskiab

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Dw healing is awesome on magnb. I use that with innate axiom heavy for big path and offering and tether numbers.

Similar to 2h but looks cooler imo

Definitely, looks awesome. Now I’m sad I’m not the only one. Mine’s sorta a specialist.

I’ve always wondered if they use metrics to balance. There are a couple magblades that do really well in BGs and might be taking the class down with them, though lots of classes are good at healing in their own way. This coming patch I think magblades will be the weakest healers so if that’s the case it’ll right itself out.

It would explain templar buffs. There still aren’t a lot of Magplars in high MMR BGs. I don’t know why, maybe because it takes a lot of games played to get there, even though in Cyro there are a lot of small groups of all Templars and 1 Warden.

thankyourat

HaruKamui wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

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fred4 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

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jimijac0me wrote: »

Out of curiousity what health are you guys running on these builds?

My exact build is here:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6312003/#Comment_6312003

Have you tried running DW on your front bar? You’ll miss ranged light attacks but see a good bump to your front bar damage skills. MH nirn, OH sharpened.

Looking again, why inner light on your back bar?

A good bump in front bar damage? Hahahahaha. You are SO wrong:

(1) Destro gives +8% single target damage. I believe that includes the procs.
(2) Destro does elemental-based light attacks that scale with magicka and spell damage, spell crit and spell pen.
(3) Full Sharpened beats Nirn, more so, since my build is about the procs not my skill damage.

So unless you're telling me there is something about how "wrong-(stamina)-weapon" light attacks now scale, that I've missed, destro light attacks and destro staff synergy with the procs far outweighs any possible skill damage gains from DW in my build.

Inner Light is my flex-spot. I like it, because the slight magicka gain improves my shields and the crit improves my heals, e.g. Swallow Soul and Healing Ward. No room for it on the front bar and also the procs don't crit anyway. Between Inner Light and Willpower I have almost 4K more magicka on the back bar. However other skills in that spot include Retreating Maneuvers, Siege Shield and Deep Thoughts in no CP.

I like Swallow Soul for IC, but for Cyro you could arguably run Cripple + Entropy or Soul Trap on the back bar this patch. What I don't like about Entropy is that blue health projectile every 2 seconds, as it can give away your cloaked position. Again it comes down the procs being the "star-feature" of the build. I don't particularly care for Major Sorcery. Indeed, I have always found Immovability potions far more effective when the other choice was a Sorcery or Brutality potion, so I don't get it from potions either.

Switching from a flame staff to DW swords is about a 10% tooltip increase....

Yep tooltip wise, DW will show the higher numbers. But tooltips are not everything. It doesn't reflect penetration.

And the fact that you can deal significant light attack weaved damage beats out any tooltip increase DW may have.

You also get to have ele drain. The most OP mag skill in the game imo.

Reaper’s mark is better than ele drain in almost every way.

By the way, you guys realize that the pen passives from destro staffs only work on destro staff abilities right?

Yep I realize that, I was just saying that tooltips aren't a good metric as a general statement because penetration isn't reflected. Not specifically on the destro staff vs DW topic. I can see why my statement was confusing!


I don't think i'd slot reapers mark ever in PVP. Minor magickasteal is too good.

You can get minor magickasteal from debilitate though which is actually better sustain than ele drain because debilitate procs magicka steak from its on damage where as ele drain won’t proc if you aren’t doing damage which can happen frequently when kiting especially in 1v5+ situations. If you are going to use cripple it’s really no reason to use ele drain over mark target.

thankyourat

Iskiab wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

jimijac0me wrote: »

Out of curiousity what health are you guys running on these builds?

My exact build is here:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6312003/#Comment_6312003

Have you tried running DW on your front bar? You’ll miss ranged light attacks but see a good bump to your front bar damage skills. MH nirn, OH sharpened.

Looking again, why inner light on your back bar?

A good bump in front bar damage? Hahahahaha. You are SO wrong:

(1) Destro gives +8% single target damage. I believe that includes the procs.
(2) Destro does elemental-based light attacks that scale with magicka and spell damage, spell crit and spell pen.
(3) Full Sharpened beats Nirn, more so, since my build is about the procs not my skill damage.

So unless you're telling me there is something about how "wrong-(stamina)-weapon" light attacks now scale, that I've missed, destro light attacks and destro staff synergy with the procs far outweighs any possible skill damage gains from DW in my build.

Inner Light is my flex-spot. I like it, because the slight magicka gain improves my shields and the crit improves my heals, e.g. Swallow Soul and Healing Ward. No room for it on the front bar and also the procs don't crit anyway. Between Inner Light and Willpower I have almost 4K more magicka on the back bar. However other skills in that spot include Retreating Maneuvers, Siege Shield and Deep Thoughts in no CP.

I like Swallow Soul for IC, but for Cyro you could arguably run Cripple + Entropy or Soul Trap on the back bar this patch. What I don't like about Entropy is that blue health projectile every 2 seconds, as it can give away your cloaked position. Again it comes down the procs being the "star-feature" of the build. I don't particularly care for Major Sorcery. Indeed, I have always found Immovability potions far more effective when the other choice was a Sorcery or Brutality potion, so I don't get it from potions either.

Switching from a flame staff to DW swords is about a 10% tooltip increase....

Yep tooltip wise, DW will show the higher numbers. But tooltips are not everything. It doesn't reflect penetration.

And the fact that you can deal significant light attack weaved damage beats out any tooltip increase DW may have.

You also get to have ele drain. The most OP mag skill in the game imo.

Reaper’s mark is better than ele drain in almost every way.

By the way, you guys realize that the pen passives from destro staffs only work on destro staff abilities right?

Yep I realize that, I was just saying that tooltips aren't a good metric as a general statement because penetration isn't reflected. Not specifically on the destro staff vs DW topic. I can see why my statement was confusing!


I don't think i'd slot reapers mark ever in PVP. Minor magickasteal is too good.

Okay, I was confused on why you said destro staves have better pen. They're exactly the same as DW. MH Nirh, OH Sharpened is best but you could go sharpened for both traits and still see a sizable tooltip increase.

DW because of passives have higher base weapon damage by about ~200. The difference between DW and destro staves is stamina based light attacks and weapon damage vs ranged magicka based light attacks and status effects.

Destro staves are better for 90% of magblade builds, but not all.

I can’t think of a build where dual Wield would be better than destro staff. The destro staff allows you to apply more pressure because you can play from range to get bow procs. So you can sort of hide the magblade weakness of low spammable damage and bad healing. With duel wield you are going to have less bow uptime due to the loss of ranged light attacks. you are also going to take a lot more damage so you are going to have to rely more on burst meaning you are lowering magblades already low spammable damage. I think 2hand is better than duel wield as well because it at least gives you access to the most op ability in the game

Iskiab

thankyourat wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

jimijac0me wrote: »

Out of curiousity what health are you guys running on these builds?

My exact build is here:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6312003/#Comment_6312003

Have you tried running DW on your front bar? You’ll miss ranged light attacks but see a good bump to your front bar damage skills. MH nirn, OH sharpened.

Looking again, why inner light on your back bar?

A good bump in front bar damage? Hahahahaha. You are SO wrong:

(1) Destro gives +8% single target damage. I believe that includes the procs.
(2) Destro does elemental-based light attacks that scale with magicka and spell damage, spell crit and spell pen.
(3) Full Sharpened beats Nirn, more so, since my build is about the procs not my skill damage.

So unless you're telling me there is something about how "wrong-(stamina)-weapon" light attacks now scale, that I've missed, destro light attacks and destro staff synergy with the procs far outweighs any possible skill damage gains from DW in my build.

Inner Light is my flex-spot. I like it, because the slight magicka gain improves my shields and the crit improves my heals, e.g. Swallow Soul and Healing Ward. No room for it on the front bar and also the procs don't crit anyway. Between Inner Light and Willpower I have almost 4K more magicka on the back bar. However other skills in that spot include Retreating Maneuvers, Siege Shield and Deep Thoughts in no CP.

I like Swallow Soul for IC, but for Cyro you could arguably run Cripple + Entropy or Soul Trap on the back bar this patch. What I don't like about Entropy is that blue health projectile every 2 seconds, as it can give away your cloaked position. Again it comes down the procs being the "star-feature" of the build. I don't particularly care for Major Sorcery. Indeed, I have always found Immovability potions far more effective when the other choice was a Sorcery or Brutality potion, so I don't get it from potions either.

Switching from a flame staff to DW swords is about a 10% tooltip increase....

Yep tooltip wise, DW will show the higher numbers. But tooltips are not everything. It doesn't reflect penetration.

And the fact that you can deal significant light attack weaved damage beats out any tooltip increase DW may have.

You also get to have ele drain. The most OP mag skill in the game imo.

Reaper’s mark is better than ele drain in almost every way.

By the way, you guys realize that the pen passives from destro staffs only work on destro staff abilities right?

Yep I realize that, I was just saying that tooltips aren't a good metric as a general statement because penetration isn't reflected. Not specifically on the destro staff vs DW topic. I can see why my statement was confusing!


I don't think i'd slot reapers mark ever in PVP. Minor magickasteal is too good.

Okay, I was confused on why you said destro staves have better pen. They're exactly the same as DW. MH Nirh, OH Sharpened is best but you could go sharpened for both traits and still see a sizable tooltip increase.

DW because of passives have higher base weapon damage by about ~200. The difference between DW and destro staves is stamina based light attacks and weapon damage vs ranged magicka based light attacks and status effects.

Destro staves are better for 90% of magblade builds, but not all.

I can’t think of a build where dual Wield would be better than destro staff. The destro staff allows you to apply more pressure because you can play from range to get bow procs. So you can sort of hide the magblade weakness of low spammable damage and bad healing. With duel wield you are going to have less bow uptime due to the loss of ranged light attacks. you are also going to take a lot more damage so you are going to have to rely more on burst meaning you are lowering magblades already low spammable damage. I think 2hand is better than duel wield as well because it at least gives you access to the most op ability in the game

Yea, I agree. The only people who I could see use DW are ganking builds since you're relying on cloak for the auto-crit and killing a squishy/noob in a couple GCDs and healers. If you aren't killing someone in a couple GCDs then ranged light attacks are important.

The other place would be bombers. Higher tooltip means more burst, especially with lotus. Onslaught bombing is more powerful then other forms of bombing, but most bombers haven't adjusted and are still DW. DWs viable if you don't want to deal with the cast time on onslaught, especially with soul tether getting improved a bit, DW might catch up, IDK.

Tzayad

HaruKamui wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=170445

^ This is my build in an easy to consume format. This build started to take shape some 2 years ago, and this is the current iteration.

Offensive pressure is simple: LA-weave. Just semi-charge light attacksy for about 500ms (or half a second) so that every light attack you land, the shock enchant procs. I find that it's the best dps instead of straight up LA weaving and only getting shock enchant procs every 2 seconds. Lighter on the sustain side this way too.

Kill combo happens when you have the spectral bow. So always light attack weave even on the resto bar. The full combo starts with a light attack weave RAT into weapon swap, enabling minor force and the torug's infused spell damage buff glyph on the resto staff. Then it's soul harvest => hysteria => spectral bow (all with uncharged light attack weaves that should equate to two shock enchant procs). Then after that it's LA-weave of swallow soul to execute the target. If they dont die, just do it again since the bow should be up soon.

Defense is tricky-er because positioning is very important, and defensive rotations change depending if stam is low or mag is low. But first, always have the shade up (it's the only dot that helps with maintaining magickasteal of ele drain). Doesn't have to be behind a tree or w/e (but that's ideal), it just has to be a bit away. Then the main goal is to make yspace. Never use cloak first. You'll only be revealed instantly. You want to either RAT or roll away, and then cloak. LOS also matters a lot.

In summary: it's very mobile and bursty, good recoveries, and it has decent sustained pressure with the 6k shock enchant with torug's and infused making it available every 1.5 seconds. Use RAT, dodge roll, shade to make space, then use cloak to exponentially grow the space you make.

Videos just for fun: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/493654/magblade-pvp-videos-for-fun

You and I play a very similar style, I just put mine all together in it's current form not too long ago, but it made me fall in love with my MagBlade again

Rianai

Ele drain offers better sustain than debilitate, because it is free and undodgeable, while the latter costs resources (more than you gain from the the minor magicka steal if the skill itself is the only thing proccing it) and can be dodged, which means sometimes you end up wasting resources. Currently debilitate is still the better skill overall because of the damage, but if i had enough bar space for both cripple + major breach i'd rather go for crippling grasp + ele drain instead of debi + mark.
And as it looks now i don't see a single reason to slot any dot skill next patch, so ele drain will be the way to go.

Also the only situation where dw is better than desto is bombing, because the la dmg is completely irrelevant there. For anything else including ganking, destro > dw. I also think tether > onslaught for bombing still, simply because of the bigger radius + cc. Lotus fan - while it sometimes works out well - isn't optimal for bombing (or ganking), because it reveals you before the burst, giving your opponents a chance to counter beforehand. I only use it if i can't get close enough without gap closer before proxy goes off or there is too much aoe flying arround, but it is always very risky and i have to hope my targets are sleeping.
For onslaught ganking you are better off going stam blade.

GhostofDatthaw

Something I was messing around with today that was working kinda well. I felt I need a little more damage to deal with these tank and spank builds, I used reaper because I like the idea of major berserk. I used the double cost inc poisons, the give me like 280 I think mag and Stam back per sec for 6.5 sec. Yeah it's still 4 seconds of down time but it helps a little. Plus I'm being a dock with cost increase. I'll have to see how it pays off in the long run.

fred4

Something that may have been left unsaid: I play in CP and wear light armor. That means I have 8K more spell pen than physical and I have more spell crit and spell crit damage than physical.

Iskiab plays in BG (no CP) and is, perhaps, wearing heavy armor? That changes the equation to where the raw tooltips more accurately reflect the damage done. Such is never the case for me.

As someone who likes to perma-cloak and loathes heavy armor in general, it's not something I usually think about. This may have contributed to our arguments. Sorry.

Iskiab

I switched it up actually. Since the last patch I’ve been playing BGs less and Cyrodiil more. I switched to the CP Cyro campaign.

I wear light too and refuse to wear heavy, with the mitigation drop from merciless I’m too squishy for BGs and do a lot better in Cyro. My win rate in BGs dropped from 50% plus to a measily 40% or so... solo queueing is a lot more rough than before.

Though I’m a healer, I only dps on my alt using 2h and Onslaught.

thankyourat

Rianai wrote: »

Ele drain offers better sustain than debilitate, because it is free and undodgeable, while the latter costs resources (more than you gain from the the minor magicka steal if the skill itself is the only thing proccing it) and can be dodged, which means sometimes you end up wasting resources. Currently debilitate is still the better skill overall because of the damage, but if i had enough bar space for both cripple + major breach i'd rather go for crippling grasp + ele drain instead of debi + mark.
And as it looks now i don't see a single reason to slot any dot skill next patch, so ele drain will be the way to go.

Also the only situation where dw is better than desto is bombing, because the la dmg is completely irrelevant there. For anything else including ganking, destro > dw. I also think tether > onslaught for bombing still, simply because of the bigger radius + cc. Lotus fan - while it sometimes works out well - isn't optimal for bombing (or ganking), because it reveals you before the burst, giving your opponents a chance to counter beforehand. I only use it if i can't get close enough without gap closer before proxy goes off or there is too much aoe flying arround, but it is always very risky and i have to hope my targets are sleeping.
For onslaught ganking you are better off going stam blade.

The reason I think debilitate offers better sustain than ele drain is because it’s still effective when you are kiting and when you are being kited by your opponents. It can also be hard to target the player you placed ele drain on in big 1vX fights. In very stationary fights such as duels when there is no kiting involved I prefer ele drain and crippling grasp for the root. I find the root to be pretty useless 1vX. Sometimes I will use ele drain and switch out debilitate for siphoning attacks on low regen bursty builds.

WacArnold

Anybody looking at next patch notes?That new moon set looks pretty good for a front bar set. Im wondering if using ele drain will off set the 5% while providing even more damge? Any thoughts on that set?

Iskiab

WacArnold wrote: »

Anybody looking at next patch notes?That new moon set looks pretty good for a front bar set. Im wondering if using ele drain will off set the 5% while providing even more damge? Any thoughts on that set?

The set that gives a speed bonus when shielded will be better I think. I’m already noticing everyone in pvp is running at least 2Xswift to help land their dizzy swings.

I think you’ll see a speed escalation and without that set you’ll have a hard time escaping, especially with the range on shade being brought down to gap closer range.

jimijac0me

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=178671 Almost forgot to post but this is the setup I was planning to try as my trigen build. Looking to use tri-pots so using Degeneration for major sorcery

HowlKimchi

thankyourat wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

jimijac0me wrote: »

Out of curiousity what health are you guys running on these builds?

My exact build is here:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6312003/#Comment_6312003

Have you tried running DW on your front bar? You’ll miss ranged light attacks but see a good bump to your front bar damage skills. MH nirn, OH sharpened.

Looking again, why inner light on your back bar?

A good bump in front bar damage? Hahahahaha. You are SO wrong:

(1) Destro gives +8% single target damage. I believe that includes the procs.
(2) Destro does elemental-based light attacks that scale with magicka and spell damage, spell crit and spell pen.
(3) Full Sharpened beats Nirn, more so, since my build is about the procs not my skill damage.

So unless you're telling me there is something about how "wrong-(stamina)-weapon" light attacks now scale, that I've missed, destro light attacks and destro staff synergy with the procs far outweighs any possible skill damage gains from DW in my build.

Inner Light is my flex-spot. I like it, because the slight magicka gain improves my shields and the crit improves my heals, e.g. Swallow Soul and Healing Ward. No room for it on the front bar and also the procs don't crit anyway. Between Inner Light and Willpower I have almost 4K more magicka on the back bar. However other skills in that spot include Retreating Maneuvers, Siege Shield and Deep Thoughts in no CP.

I like Swallow Soul for IC, but for Cyro you could arguably run Cripple + Entropy or Soul Trap on the back bar this patch. What I don't like about Entropy is that blue health projectile every 2 seconds, as it can give away your cloaked position. Again it comes down the procs being the "star-feature" of the build. I don't particularly care for Major Sorcery. Indeed, I have always found Immovability potions far more effective when the other choice was a Sorcery or Brutality potion, so I don't get it from potions either.

Switching from a flame staff to DW swords is about a 10% tooltip increase....

Yep tooltip wise, DW will show the higher numbers. But tooltips are not everything. It doesn't reflect penetration.

And the fact that you can deal significant light attack weaved damage beats out any tooltip increase DW may have.

You also get to have ele drain. The most OP mag skill in the game imo.

Reaper’s mark is better than ele drain in almost every way.

By the way, you guys realize that the pen passives from destro staffs only work on destro staff abilities right?

Yep I realize that, I was just saying that tooltips aren't a good metric as a general statement because penetration isn't reflected. Not specifically on the destro staff vs DW topic. I can see why my statement was confusing!


I don't think i'd slot reapers mark ever in PVP. Minor magickasteal is too good.

You can get minor magickasteal from debilitate though which is actually better sustain than ele drain because debilitate procs magicka steak from its on damage where as ele drain won’t proc if you aren’t doing damage which can happen frequently when kiting especially in 1v5+ situations. If you are going to use cripple it’s really no reason to use ele drain over mark target.

Yeah but that takes up 2 slots. I am currently not using cripple so ele drain is perfect for me as a source of major breach and magickasteal.

Heimpai

WacArnold wrote: »

Anybody looking at next patch notes?That new moon set looks pretty good for a front bar set. Im wondering if using ele drain will off set the 5% while providing even more damge? Any thoughts on that set?

I don’t run ele drain..If it’s too hard on my dunmer i‘ll just use it on my breton

Oh, yes i will certainly be using that set if not nerfed

GhostofDatthaw

I logged onto my second main for a while yesterday to group up with my buddies. It's kinda disheartening... My magplar who is actually kinda my main toon I guess, actually named datthaw, my crafter, and my actual first toon. Anyway...

Running skoria/btb/innate and I'm just a Tanky animal who can *** people down hard. I always forget how much harder of a class magnb is than other classes.

Tzayad

jimijac0me wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=178671 Almost forgot to post but this is the setup I was planning to try as my trigen build. Looking to use tri-pots so using Degeneration for major sorcery

That's my exact gear set up, but I focus more on melee fighting with skills. I'm loving it, you have a solid build there.

jimijac0me

Tzayad wrote: »

jimijac0me wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=178671 Almost forgot to post but this is the setup I was planning to try as my trigen build. Looking to use tri-pots so using Degeneration for major sorcery

That's my exact gear set up, but I focus more on melee fighting with skills. I'm loving it, you have a solid build there.

Thanks Tzayad, when you say melee fighting, are you running a different skills setup? Just curious

GhostofDatthaw

Damn the stealth nerfed my old low key favorite combo I used on my ice magnb a while back. I was doing some testing on ways to protect healing ward and discovered they "fixed" the synnergy between healing ward and mist form. In the past the shield stayed up you could cast then mist away getting the mit damage from it. The timers were just about perfect where when mist ended the shield would pop. They must have done this when they took the animation cancel major exp.

ScruffyWhiskers

I wonder who complained about the mist cancel still giving major expedition? Losing that has to have doubled my deaths. I noticed something was janky with the healing ward and mist form combo. I didn't give it much thought since I assumed that the heal from the shield was now worthless while in mist and its size had been reduced so much. I just said pass and moved on.

The soul harvest cast time change is really bugging me. I guess I should just be thankful that it hasn't been nerfed outright. But I was playing tonight in prime time and if is so unreliable now.

Iskiab

Aoe ultimates get around most issues. People can always streak away or whatnot, but speed helps land melee abilities. I think that’s why I’m seeing stam run the swift mundus or swift traits a lot in BGs.

With some speed 1 second cast time dizzies are easy to land and so’s onslaught. If you’re having issues you’re likely a bit on the slow side or being too predictable.

It’s possible that people are predicting the combo, but it might also be that people are just naturally countering burst. I know myself when a ganker hits me I usually break free and continue on my way ignoring them, or if they crit and I’m below half health I dodge roll instinctively. If you’re doing a stun and then using an ultimate most people will expect burst, you need lag on your side really to land it.

I think someone mentioned doing an Ult after the first dodge roll? That sounds like it would be a lot more of a threat to me. To be blunt a ganker has zero chance of downing me unless I’m out of stam or has used onslaught.

Metemsycosis

You can still bar switch cancel in time tho

HowlKimchi

A lot more people using steed now... I’d like to think I had an impact on that lol. I’ve vouched for steed on magblades aggressively since the start of 2018

zammo

HaruKamui wrote: »

A lot more people using steed now... I’d like to think I had an impact on that lol. I’ve vouched for steed on magblades aggressively since the start of 2018

You did. Thanks

Jeezye

HaruKamui wrote: »

A lot more people using steed now... I’d like to think I had an impact on that lol. I’ve vouched for steed on magblades aggressively since the start of 2018

yeah at least stat wise its the best mundus. 10% movespeed and hp regen come in very handy, I actually use it on many of my builds by now.

Iskiab

Yea, I used the steed mundus all the time prior to the merciless mitigation change and onslaught bypassing resistances. Speed helped so much when it was harder to be tanky.

I’m having a lot harder time in BGs than I did before. Think I’m going to change up my jewellery to swift traits, the ritual mundus is really good as a healer but since protective was nerfed I think jewellery traits might be the best source of speed for me.

ScruffyWhiskers

Steed is terrible. Should get a buff. Ixnay on the Steednay guys.

GhostofDatthaw

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Steed is terrible. Should get a buff. Ixnay on the Steednay guys.

Yeah it needs to be at least 15% to be viable

brandonv516

I tried out the Steed for a half dozen matches or so but then went back to the Atronach - I'm a sustain wh@re lol!

Iskiab

brandonv516 wrote: »

I tried out the Steed for a half dozen matches or so but then went back to the Atronach - I'm a sustain wh@re lol!

You play in heavy right? Makes sense, I usually go atro in heavy and ritual in light.