Worlds first 100k blackrose prison score by Hodor

Moloch1514

Valrien wrote: »

Jesus, so much toxicity towards Hodor.

These guys used to be loved by the community, what's happened lol

Probably because they post these world first videos, and then the Devs @ZOS watch the videos and decide "these players are too good, we must NERF them!". Then next update we lose our shields.

The problem is the top 1% like Hodor can adapt, and then post the next World's first on patch day. But noobs like the rest of us 99% are still frustrated trying to beat vMA on our 1-bar Pet Sorc builds (that are now dead due to these NERFS).

Just my .02 on why we are not all on board with these posts coming so frequently. The blame lies with the ZOS devs reacting to the best of the best, not Hodor itself though.

Valrien

Gratz guys

Elsonso

Love Wizard wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I don't get bothered by the negative feedback. Im just curious as to why people come to this thread, just to belittle our achievement, and insult us. I get that people can be ***, thats life. I just don't understand why you have to be one. But you're completely right, you're allowed to post whatever you want on this thread, as long as it's within the forum rules. At the end of the day, I think you have to remember this is a game, we play this for fun. I don't mean to be offensive, but it seems like you're taking it a little bit too serious.

Negative or not, I thought y'all left the game a couple years back. Welcome back!

Peekachu99

Love Wizard wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Love Wizard lives off of salty tears...

You’re confusing saltiness with a general disinterest in blowharding. Aggrandize yourself and your guild to, you know, people who will better validate your accomplishments—like your guildmates, teammates or people close to you. Expecting a mob of complete strangers to care about something that you’ve practiced on the PTS for weeks upon weeks isn’t fair to yourself or others. It’s not sincere or genuine. It’s literally fishing for attention. And do be careful: you rarely get the attention you want when crying for it online.

Do Hodor post their learning runs? Or just the ‘flawless’ stuff? Because the former might generate them more goodwill than the latter. Just a suggestion.

I don't mean to start a bonfire here or any means, but who are you to tell me why I can't share my achievements? People keep coming up to me giving me *** for not sharing our addons, giving me *** for not sharing our tactics, and giving me *** for not sharing my builds anymore. If you don't care, why do you even open this thread? There's no reason to drag other people down just because you're not having a good day. Spread positivity and joy, not hate and negativity.

Never said you couldn’t share your ‘achievements’ (lol, a med school degree is an achievement, not this imo), though it’s rather presumptuous of you to assume that people will care, no? Nothing negative or hateful about indifference and if you think there is, then you’ve been coddled most of your life.

I am free to open any thread I want that I think warrants discussion, criticism, debate. Just as you’re free to start them, inviting the same. You posted this because you wanted public accolades, now you’re trying to control the type of feedback, tone-policing (as if people aren’t allowed to criticize or question your supreme authority) and attention you’re receiving. You don’t get to do that. You put something out in the world and people respond to it, good or bad. That’s just life, fellah.

Don't get me wrong, I don't get bothered by the negative feedback. Im just curious as to why people come to this thread, just to belittle our achievement, and insult us. I get that people can be ***, thats life. I just don't understand why you have to be one. But you're completely right, you're allowed to post whatever you want on this thread, as long as it's within the forum rules. At the end of the day, I think you have to remember this is a game, we play this for fun. I don't mean to be offensive, but it seems like you're taking it a little bit too serious.

I have no illusions that this is just a game. I’m making quite reasonable rebuttals against your emotional and ad hominem attacks, but I’m bothered and serious. Okay.

dcam86b14_ESO

.........and?

Reverb

Congrats! Our score was 2 hours, countless obscenities, at least a few drinks, and 1 white flag waved. We'll try again this weekend.

Yours is much more impressive

WeylandLabs

Esports here we come 😂😂😂😂😂

spartaxoxo

Love Wizard wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Love Wizard lives off of salty tears...

You’re confusing saltiness with a general disinterest in blowharding. Aggrandize yourself and your guild to, you know, people who will better validate your accomplishments—like your guildmates, teammates or people close to you. Expecting a mob of complete strangers to care about something that you’ve practiced on the PTS for weeks upon weeks isn’t fair to yourself or others. It’s not sincere or genuine. It’s literally fishing for attention. And do be careful: you rarely get the attention you want when crying for it online.

Do Hodor post their learning runs? Or just the ‘flawless’ stuff? Because the former might generate them more goodwill than the latter. Just a suggestion.

I don't mean to start a bonfire here or any means, but who are you to tell me why I can't share my achievements? People keep coming up to me giving me *** for not sharing our addons, giving me *** for not sharing our tactics, and giving me *** for not sharing my builds anymore. If you don't care, why do you even open this thread? There's no reason to drag other people down just because you're not having a good day. Spread positivity and joy, not hate and negativity.

Post on a public forum, invite public commentary. Don't get twisted just because the only feedback you received isn't positive.

His criticism was not rudely worded, it just isn't total praise at your bragging. Brag all you want, that's your business and your right. But if you do it to the general public, don't be surprised that not everyone is impressed with your bragging.

spartaxoxo

Valrien wrote: »

Jesus, so much toxicity towards Hodor.

These guys used to be loved by the community, what's happened lol

The bragging and ZOS seeming to make content harder and harder, just to make things interesting for these guys at the expense of the rest of the population. Whether that perception is fair or not the constant nerfs to average players to give elite players more power is going to cause people to be disgruntled.

One of them bragging about their success in that enviroment is just asking for negative feedback because it's tone deaf.

usmcjdking

I mean if you don't care or aren't impressed then why are you in this thread? I mean it just seems like being a straight up hater is okay in your book? Typing for the sake of reading your own post doesn't make your post any more meaningful.

I could care less tbh about the whole WORLD FIRST shtick, but that's a pretty darn good score. The score is the impressive part because BRP isn't what I'd call a walk in the park.

mb10

Can I be the world's first to not give a damn?

mb10

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Esports here we come 😂😂😂😂😂

Lmfao they'd get eaten alive on any other game that has competitive esports.

Let us not forget, they specialise in fighting opponents without a human mind. We never see any "world's first" PVP achievements now do we

ccfeeling

Awesome ! Congrats !

Can you guys carry me ?

Love Wizard

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Jesus, so much toxicity towards Hodor.

These guys used to be loved by the community, what's happened lol

The bragging, and ZOS seeming to make content harder and harder just to make things interesting for these guys at the expense of the rest of the population, whether that perception is fair or not the constant nerfs to average players to give elite players more power is going to cause people to be disgruntled.

One of them bragging about at their success in that enviroment is just asking for negative feedback because it's tone deaf.

Wait, so let me actually get this straight. You're annoyed with endgame raiders in general because we find ways to do content quicker and quicker, and ZoS responds with nerfing classes accordingly, where casual players gets hit in the crossfire?

zTrok

Grats for doing it guys! Very well done!

ZonasArch

Love Wizard wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Love Wizard lives off of salty tears...

You’re confusing saltiness with a general disinterest in blowharding. Aggrandize yourself and your guild to, you know, people who will better validate your accomplishments—like your guildmates, teammates or people close to you. Expecting a mob of complete strangers to care about something that you’ve practiced on the PTS for weeks upon weeks isn’t fair to yourself or others. It’s not sincere or genuine. It’s literally fishing for attention. And do be careful: you rarely get the attention you want when crying for it online.

Do Hodor post their learning runs? Or just the ‘flawless’ stuff? Because the former might generate them more goodwill than the latter. Just a suggestion.

I don't mean to start a bonfire here or any means, but who are you to tell me why I can't share my achievements? People keep coming up to me giving me *** for not sharing our addons, giving me *** for not sharing our tactics, and giving me *** for not sharing my builds anymore. If you don't care, why do you even open this thread? There's no reason to drag other people down just because you're not having a good day. Spread positivity and joy, not hate and negativity.

Although I like to see people being badasses, nobody likes bragging and apparently this post feels like bragging to lots of people, opposite to celebration.

Also, when you when you withhold information, that's secret of competition and I get it and think it's totally fair, but that also makes you look kinda arrogant and elitist, and people don't like that either.

I don't give two craps about it though, just saying that's what I think this negativity could be.

Good luck on 102.

HighKinlady

I’m not interested until I see a solid 105k run

Is this the part where FaZe comes in and recruits you or ...

mongoLC

ZOS now has to go make new harder content for Hodor while ignoring the rest of eso or nerfing everything even more.
and that's why all the hate.

spartaxoxo

Love Wizard wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Jesus, so much toxicity towards Hodor.

These guys used to be loved by the community, what's happened lol

The bragging, and ZOS seeming to make content harder and harder just to make things interesting for these guys at the expense of the rest of the population, whether that perception is fair or not the constant nerfs to average players to give elite players more power is going to cause people to be disgruntled.

One of them bragging about at their success in that enviroment is just asking for negative feedback because it's tone deaf.

Wait, so let me actually get this straight. You're annoyed with endgame raiders in general because we find ways to do content quicker and quicker, and ZoS responds with nerfing classes accordingly, where casual players gets hit in the crossfire?

Casual players are not even getting to do the content. It is not just affecting score runs.

Zos keeps making changes that are not targeted at eliminating cheese from the high end without obliterating the average player from ever being able to even attempt that content but instead blanket nerfs that affect casual players far, far more severely.

That is on ZOS. They could do a better job on that end, and plenty of MMOs do it with targetted nerfs over blanket ones.

But if you can't see why them catering to you and your group, less than 1% of the playerbase, at the expense of everyone else might make some people annoyed, and choose that moment to brag about how great you are, then you should at least not be surprised that you will receive negativity.

It makes you look tone deaf and unempathetic.

Kilnerdyne

gz guys gj! ignore the memers!

Valrien

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Jesus, so much toxicity towards Hodor.

These guys used to be loved by the community, what's happened lol

The bragging and ZOS seeming to make content harder and harder, just to make things interesting for these guys at the expense of the rest of the population. Whether that perception is fair or not the constant nerfs to average players to give elite players more power is going to cause people to be disgruntled.

One of them bragging about their success in that enviroment is just asking for negative feedback because it's tone deaf.

ZOS makes content for everyone. Vet Blackrose is content for elite players...you know...veterans, hence the normal difficulty for average and casual players.

ZOS is not alienating the majority in favor of the minority, they are mainly making a variety of content that can appeal to all playstyles

(Btw the proper way a game is balanced is around the top tier of players because they can use things to their fullest potential. The more casual you are, the less nerfs affect you)

MLGProPlayer

Xarcus wrote: »

hum....

so many people tried it, after 7 days...
I wonder why you cut the screenshot

But congrats.

I imagine the population in Murkmire is incredibly low right now as they're giving the DLC away for free next month and subs are only a minority of the population.

LiberatorSam

Chicharron wrote: »

I just made the World First pug vWGT as healer with a brown sock in left and a white one in right wearing a cowboy hat and drinking carrot juice while taking care of my daughter at the same time.

Beat that @Love Wizard i challenge you.

He can’t, you are already first 😂

ccfeeling

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Jesus, so much toxicity towards Hodor.

These guys used to be loved by the community, what's happened lol

The bragging, and ZOS seeming to make content harder and harder just to make things interesting for these guys at the expense of the rest of the population, whether that perception is fair or not the constant nerfs to average players to give elite players more power is going to cause people to be disgruntled.

One of them bragging about at their success in that enviroment is just asking for negative feedback because it's tone deaf.

Wait, so let me actually get this straight. You're annoyed with endgame raiders in general because we find ways to do content quicker and quicker, and ZoS responds with nerfing classes accordingly, where casual players gets hit in the crossfire?

Casual players are not even getting to do the content. It is not just affecting score runs.

Zos keeps making changes that are not targeted at eliminating cheese from the high end without obliterating the average player from ever being able to even attempt that content but instead blanket nerfs that affect casual players far, far more severely.

That is on ZOS. They could do a better job on that end, and plenty of MMOs do it with targetted nerfs over blanket ones.

But if you can't see why them catering to you and your group, less than 1% of the playerbase, at the expense of everyone else might make some people annoyed, and choose that moment to brag about how great you are, then you should at least not be surprised that you will receive negativity.

It makes you look tone deaf and unempathetic.

Well said , this is what exactly I think the same .

spartaxoxo

Valrien wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Jesus, so much toxicity towards Hodor.

These guys used to be loved by the community, what's happened lol

The bragging and ZOS seeming to make content harder and harder, just to make things interesting for these guys at the expense of the rest of the population. Whether that perception is fair or not the constant nerfs to average players to give elite players more power is going to cause people to be disgruntled.

One of them bragging about their success in that enviroment is just asking for negative feedback because it's tone deaf.

ZOS makes content for everyone. Vet Blackrose is content for elite players...you know...veterans, hence the normal difficulty for average and casual players.

ZOS is not alienating the majority in favor of the minority, they are mainly making a variety of content that can appeal to all playstyles

(Btw the proper way a game is balanced is around the top tier of players because they can use things to their fullest potential. The more casual you are, the less nerfs affect you)

Where did I say vet Blackrose prison was not?

The original nerf to shields, before they put something more reasonable in, is a good example of what I meant. Thankfully that particular one didn't make it through.

You want to nerf the kind of sorc that can get flawless vma easily....so you make them last longer but require more prediction?

That is a nerf to casual players and a barely noticeable change to veteran ones who can easily predict where that damage is going to come from.

They didn't even revert the change because of that BS logic though, they reverted the change because it did way more than they expected to PVP.

By the way, the proper way to balance around the top is by making targeted changes to the top, not by nerfing casual play harder than top end with blanket nerfs, whenever possible. Most MMOs get that right, and being in the top 25% would be enough to get you at least clears of vet content albeit not leaderboards. That isn't the case here. And it is because they do not target their nerfs properly.

NolaArch

Let people enjoy things that make them happy or feel accomplished!!! Jeez!

Congrats!

yodased

Love Wizard wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Jesus, so much toxicity towards Hodor.

These guys used to be loved by the community, what's happened lol

The bragging, and ZOS seeming to make content harder and harder just to make things interesting for these guys at the expense of the rest of the population, whether that perception is fair or not the constant nerfs to average players to give elite players more power is going to cause people to be disgruntled.

One of them bragging about at their success in that enviroment is just asking for negative feedback because it's tone deaf.

Wait, so let me actually get this straight. You're annoyed with endgame raiders in general because we find ways to do content quicker and quicker, and ZoS responds with nerfing classes accordingly, where casual players gets hit in the crossfire?

I dont have a dog in this fight, and for sure thats impressive, but i have to draw the line at saying you did it quicker.

You undoubtedly ran this several times a week for the entire PTS and then you present it like you just walked in there day 1 and "figured it out".

I believe the issues all stem from that, because bragging about being done first day implies you went in blind and are at such boss level you cleared it in one go.

Thats where the negativity comes from, I for one believe you are excellent players who work well together and do some really interesting stuff, but pretending, or alluding, that these rums are blind is the bottleneck.

Xajic

if you can get this score WITHOUT addons, maybe I’ll care.. just a little.

ZonasArch

Valrien wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Jesus, so much toxicity towards Hodor.

These guys used to be loved by the community, what's happened lol

The bragging and ZOS seeming to make content harder and harder, just to make things interesting for these guys at the expense of the rest of the population. Whether that perception is fair or not the constant nerfs to average players to give elite players more power is going to cause people to be disgruntled.

One of them bragging about their success in that enviroment is just asking for negative feedback because it's tone deaf.

ZOS makes content for everyone. Vet Blackrose is content for elite players...you know...veterans, hence the normal difficulty for average and casual players.

ZOS is not alienating the majority in favor of the minority, they are mainly making a variety of content that can appeal to all playstyles

(Btw the proper way a game is balanced is around the top tier of players because they can use things to their fullest potential. The more casual you are, the less nerfs affect you)

Like you said.. a 10% need on 50k DPS is 5k and that's a lot. Same need for 15k DPS is much less brutal at 1.5k. noticable still, but a lot less damaging. Nerfing and buffing isn't, never was, and never will be, an issue for the average player. And elite players can cry an Amazon River if they want, they are still just a tiny portion of the company income. Nerfs, and buffs, will mostly only "show" for them, as it's supposed to be. Long live the casuals.

Valrien

yodased wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Jesus, so much toxicity towards Hodor.

These guys used to be loved by the community, what's happened lol

The bragging, and ZOS seeming to make content harder and harder just to make things interesting for these guys at the expense of the rest of the population, whether that perception is fair or not the constant nerfs to average players to give elite players more power is going to cause people to be disgruntled.

One of them bragging about at their success in that enviroment is just asking for negative feedback because it's tone deaf.

Wait, so let me actually get this straight. You're annoyed with endgame raiders in general because we find ways to do content quicker and quicker, and ZoS responds with nerfing classes accordingly, where casual players gets hit in the crossfire?

I dont have a dog in this fight, and for sure thats impressive, but i have to draw the line at saying you did it quicker.

You undoubtedly ran this several times a week for the entire PTS and then you present it like you just walked in there day 1 and "figured it out".

I believe the issues all stem from that, because bragging about being done first day implies you went in blind and are at such boss level you cleared it in one go.

Thats where the negativity comes from, I for one believe you are excellent players who work well together and do some really interesting stuff, but pretending, or alluding, that these rums are blind is the bottleneck.

He never said they were blind. He said world first. And this is indeed world first. It's not like someone takes a medal away from an Olympic gold medalist because "Wellll, you did win but you also practiced A LOT before the actual Olympics sooo...yeah"

And once again, they never even once said blind. Just to reiterate that.

Fakyy wrote: »

if you can get this score WITHOUT addons, maybe I’ll care.. just a little.

Man, y'all really will find anything to pick at, won't you?