Heavy armor is not overpowered by any means.

Solidsnake993

First off I would like to say that this is not a buff thread nor a nerf thread. It's not even a rant. It's just me telling you why these heavy armor users are not safe.

The first thing I would like to start off with is for you to go watch Sribes's new video that he just posted where he wrecked the hell of out of everybody that was possibly wearing heavy armor, and lastly towards the end he ganked a guy with 60k health in 1 second in front of a lot of people and got away. Do not tell me that heavy armor is overpowered. I'm getting so sick and tired of everybody calling it the meta when it really isn't.

The constitution passive is garbage. People talk about being able to sustain but they sound so dumb because it says it only regenerates like I think 1500 resources every 4 seconds w/o black rose. You have no cost reduction for your abilities and you really can't sustain over health that well, which I will go over that in my next point.

People use sharpened weapons so they can just cut right through your armor. I play on a stamblade with a sharpened maul and 40 cp into piercing. I have no issues taking down people with 30k health.

That wrath passive is garbage compared to the medium armor passive that gives you 12% more weapon damage vs 150 more weapon and spell damage. You guys need to stop saying that there is no point in wearing medium armor because of this passive. You have no idea what you're talking about.

The rapid mending passive doesn't really benefit you that much. My heals are strong with the lingering health potions, without them it's terrible, but with heavy armor... hmmm... What is a 2.3k vigor plus 8%? That's like another 200 more healing to my vigor.

As I previously stated, Sribes was able to kill a guy with 60k health in 1 second. I bet that guy probably had over 30k resistance. I can't post the video because he plays music that would be against the community guidelines for me to share it. Just google it yourself.

Panth141

You really shouldn't rate the strength of build aspects based on how quickly @SRIBES can gank them.

Disclaimer:
I haven't seen the video... But I feel pretty safe assuming that he was ganking

Synozeer

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

First off I would like to say that this is not a buff thread nor a nerf thread. It's not even a rant. It's just me telling you why these heavy armor users are not safe.

The first thing I would like to start off with is for you to go watch Sribes's new video that he just posted where he wrecked the hell of out of everybody that was possibly wearing heavy armor, and lastly towards the end he ganked a guy with 60k health in 1 second in front of a lot of people and got away. Do not tell me that heavy armor is overpowered. I'm getting so sick and tired of everybody calling it the meta when it really isn't.

The constitution passive is garbage. People talk about being able to sustain but they sound so dumb because it says it only regenerates like I think 1500 resources every 4 seconds w/o black rose. You have no cost reduction for your abilities and you really can't sustain over health that well, which I will go over that in my next point.

People use sharpened weapons so they can just cut right through your armor. I play on a stamblade with a sharpened maul and 40 cp into piercing. I have no issues taking down people with 30k health.

That wrath passive is garbage compared to the medium armor passive that gives you 12% more weapon damage vs 150 more weapon and spell damage. You guys need to stop saying that there is no point in wearing medium armor because of this passive. You have no idea what you're talking about.

The rapid mending passive doesn't really benefit you that much. My heals are strong with the lingering health potions, without them it's terrible, but with heavy armor... hmmm... What is a 2.3k vigor plus 8%? That's like another 200 more healing to my vigor.

As I previously stated, Sribes was able to kill a guy with 60k health in 1 second. I bet that guy probably had over 30k resistance. I can't post the video because he plays music that would be against the community guidelines for me to share it. Just google it yourself.

I'm the 60k guy he ganks, and it's actually 2 people ganking me at the same time, not just Sribes...

Solidsnake993

Panth141 wrote: »

You really shouldn't rate the strength of build aspects based on how quickly @SRIBES can gank them.

Disclaimer:
I haven't seen the video... But I feel pretty safe assuming that he was ganking

That man isn't even human... I want to know how he was able to burst down that tank so freaking quickly. He must have had his keyboard setup to where he can push 12 buttons in 1 second.

Blackfyre20

1500 resources every 4 seconds is the equivalent of 750 magicka and stamina recovery without black rose... that is garbage? Wut?

Haven't seen the sribes video yet but "wrecked the hell out of everyone that was possibly wearing heavy armor"...? Again, wut? Maybe they weren't wearing heavy armor...

Speculating that this 60k health guy had 30k resistances is a big (and probably incorrect) assumption. While we are at it I am going to assume said player was also wearing no impen (again, I haven't seen the video). Because one player who is one of the best at dealing insane burst damage cut through some heavy armor does not say anything about how it compares to medium and light. He just would have had a much easier time killing a light/medium armor user.

If the wrath passive is so garbage then lets just remove it and replace it with something more defensive in line with heavy armor. I understand resource management but there is no reason heavy armor should be giving ANY kind of offensive bonus.

There is certainly a place for light armor (shields) and medium armor. I run medium armor on my stamplar because I think it is a more fun play style with more mobility. However heavy armor is still OP in the current state.

Sandman929

Does anyone actually think that heavy armor alone is OP? Heavy armor with 2 proc damage sets and passive dodge chance, perhaps. No one in heavy is matching the burst damage of a medium armor ganker, I don't think anyone is claiming that. But there are good benefits and very few sacrifices made by choosing heavy over medium on builds that aren't gankers.

Solidsnake993

Sandman929 wrote: »

Does anyone actually think that heavy armor alone is OP? Heavy armor with 2 proc damage sets and passive dodge chance, perhaps. No one in heavy is matching the burst damage of a medium armor ganker, I don't think anyone is claiming that. But there are good benefits and very few sacrifices made by choosing heavy over medium on builds that aren't gankers.

I tried it and I didn't like it. Like I said I saw no point wearing heavy armor because people cut right through my 16k physical and spell resistance. I didn't use proc sets because all I was doing was seeing how it performs, and it was satisfying by any means to me.

Solidsnake993

Blackfyre20 wrote: »

1500 resources every 4 seconds is the equivalent of 750 magicka and stamina recovery without black rose... that is garbage? Wut?

Haven't seen the sribes video yet but "wrecked the hell out of everyone that was possibly wearing heavy armor"...? Again, wut? Maybe they weren't wearing heavy armor...

Speculating that this 60k health guy had 30k resistances is a big (and probably incorrect) assumption. While we are at it I am going to assume said player was also wearing no impen (again, I haven't seen the video). Because one player who is one of the best at dealing insane burst damage cut through some heavy armor does not say anything about how it compares to medium and light. He just would have had a much easier time killing a light/medium armor user.

If the wrath passive is so garbage then lets just remove it and replace it with something more defensive in line with heavy armor. I understand resource management but there is no reason heavy armor should be giving ANY kind of offensive bonus.

There is certainly a place for light armor (shields) and medium armor. I run medium armor on my stamplar because I think it is a more fun play style with more mobility. However heavy armor is still OP in the current state.

He killed him by himself. His setup was 5 alchemist 5 viper 2 validreth. He hit that guy with 7 different abilities in 1 second which is kind of broken if you ask me. Each of his attacks dealt like 10k damage. He was obviously wearing impenetrable because the damage he took was reduced. That's another point I want to make. Ganking is broken in this game. The fact that you could just kill someone in 1 second with no possibility of a hard counter really makes me want to cry. It doesn't matter how much resistance you put on your guy. It doesn't matter how much impenetrable you put on your guy. You're still going to die without a second to react if it's a properly built stamblade, and stamblades are really easy to build and setup.

Panth141

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Does anyone actually think that heavy armor alone is OP? Heavy armor with 2 proc damage sets and passive dodge chance, perhaps. No one in heavy is matching the burst damage of a medium armor ganker, I don't think anyone is claiming that. But there are good benefits and very few sacrifices made by choosing heavy over medium on builds that aren't gankers.

I tried it and I didn't like it. Like I said I saw no point wearing heavy armor because people cut right through my 16k physical and spell resistance. I didn't use proc sets because all I was doing was seeing how it performs, and it was satisfying by any means to me.

You're correct that people will penetrate a good portion of your extra resistance from heavy... But those same people will be penetrating your (far lower) resistances of your medium/light armour, assuming that you're not using shields.

Penetration is an irrelevance - if you get, say, 10k more resistance from going heavy, then you're still going to have 10k more when penetration is accounted for.*

As noted above, Constitution is not at all negligible. The max health passive helps, too.

*assuming that they're not penetrating more than (your resistance - 10k) in heavy armour.

Synozeer

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

Blackfyre20 wrote: »

1500 resources every 4 seconds is the equivalent of 750 magicka and stamina recovery without black rose... that is garbage? Wut?

Haven't seen the sribes video yet but "wrecked the hell out of everyone that was possibly wearing heavy armor"...? Again, wut? Maybe they weren't wearing heavy armor...

Speculating that this 60k health guy had 30k resistances is a big (and probably incorrect) assumption. While we are at it I am going to assume said player was also wearing no impen (again, I haven't seen the video). Because one player who is one of the best at dealing insane burst damage cut through some heavy armor does not say anything about how it compares to medium and light. He just would have had a much easier time killing a light/medium armor user.

If the wrath passive is so garbage then lets just remove it and replace it with something more defensive in line with heavy armor. I understand resource management but there is no reason heavy armor should be giving ANY kind of offensive bonus.

There is certainly a place for light armor (shields) and medium armor. I run medium armor on my stamplar because I think it is a more fun play style with more mobility. However heavy armor is still OP in the current state.

He killed him by himself. His setup was 5 alchemist 5 viper 2 validreth. He hit that guy with 7 different abilities in 1 second which is kind of broken if you ask me. Each of his attacks dealt like 10k damage. He was obviously wearing impenetrable because the damage he took was reduced. That's another point I want to make. Ganking is broken in this game. The fact that you could just kill someone in 1 second with no possibility of a hard counter really makes me want to cry. It doesn't matter how much resistance you put on your guy. It doesn't matter how much impenetrable you put on your guy. You're still going to die without a second to react if it's a properly built stamblade, and stamblades are really easy to build and setup.

Repeating my post from above because you might not have seen it:

I'm the 60k guy he ganks, and it's actually 2 people ganking me at the same time, not just Sribes...

Waffennacht

Don't tell me what I can or can't do!

Lol, seriously though, math is cool, math proves points, there is no math here. I wanna see Fengy fanbois vs scribes fanbois, fanbois be OP!

CatchMeTrolling

It's not heavy armor it's over performing sets though wrath shouldn't be one of the passives , bring back block passives

Minno

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

It's not heavy armor it's over performing sets though wrath shouldn't be one of the passives , bring back block passives

I agree with this. But i might be one of the few that thinks no armor should not give a dmg passive at all.

Solidsnake993

Synozeer wrote: »

I'm the 60k guy he ganks, and it's actually 2 people ganking me at the same time, not just Sribes...

Yes he had someone else there with him but the other guy did not attack him with him. Either way even if there are 2 people there with him you are still missing the point when I say that heavy armor is not strong at all. Why did his health bar drop to 0 so quickly? Shouldn't he have lasted... I don't know... longer than 5 seconds? Can we at least agree that he should have lasted 5 seconds? He killed him in one second. I read what you said. You don't seem to get my point however.

Here is the logic 1)He had 60k health 2)He probably had around 30k physical resistance. I know a guy that built a tank with 40k physical resistance so it's probably even higher. 3)He obviously had impenetrable on his character because if he didn't have impenetrable then his damage intake would have been significantly higher.

Solidsnake993

Panth141 wrote: »

As noted above, Constitution is not at all negligible. The max health passive helps, too.

That's not the constitution passive that gives you max health. Go back and read the heavy armor passives again. It's the juggernaut passive. Just wanted to clarify that.

Synozeer

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

I'm the 60k guy he ganks, and it's actually 2 people ganking me at the same time, not just Sribes...

Yes he had someone else there with him but the other guy did not attack him with him. Either way even if there are 2 people there with him you are still missing the point when I say that heavy armor is not strong at all. Why did his health bar drop to 0 so quickly? Shouldn't he have lasted... I don't know... longer than 5 seconds? Can we at least agree that he should have lasted 5 seconds? He killed him in one second. I read what you said. You don't seem to get my point however.

Here is the logic 1)He had 60k health 2)He probably had around 30k physical resistance. I know a guy that built a tank with 40k physical resistance so it's probably even higher. 3)He obviously had impenetrable on his character because if he didn't have impenetrable then his damage intake would have been significantly higher.

Yes, the other guy did attack me. I should know, since I WAS THE ONE GANKED. My health bar dropped because 2 people ganked me at the same time. Their builds are made specifically to do high bursts of damage from stealth. It's not hard to understand.

You keep saying "he" probably had this and "he" was that. Hello! I'm right here, I know EXACTLY what "he" had. "He" had 4 impen, 4 sturdy, and "he" had about 20k physical resists since "he" was not buffed up. "He" is also not a tank build, "he" is a blazing shield build, which does not focus as much on resists as a true tank build would.

Sorry to ruin your point, but you'll have to find another way to make it.

BlackMadara

I agree that heavy isn't op but this post doesn't help anything.

Constitution gives 1302 stam and mag every four seconds. That is about 650 recovery for both stats IF you are getting hit. This is less than what light and medium do for their recovery bonuses and cost reduction for their respective stats, but I'm willing to be the overall value for heavy armor is higher. This wouldn't be a surprise because ESO always has split up stat bonuses give a higher overall value but lower specific value of the stat.

Wrath is useful but not broken. I don't see why people are so against heavy armor giving offensive bonuses. Why should any armor give offensive bonuses? Light gives pen, med gives percentage weapon damage, and wrath spell and weapon damage by getting hit. Makes sense to me.

The healing received, max health, and heavy resource return are real long strong and shouldn't be underestimated.

Then health recovery is generally wea

Overall, heavy armor, for ESO, is fine. Medium, imo, is fine as well but may need something. Light is underpowered. Its the only line that doesn't give bonuses to its respective active defense, shields.

The main problem with heavy is proc sets. They synergize with the heavy play style very well. Heavy's dual resource gain allows a player to survive by both stamina and magicka means while wearing down the opponent. Proc sets allow you to add burst into the mix that isn't even dependent on your own stats. That's the main problem, adding a random nuke into a war of attrition.

FloppyTouch

Yh I don't think too many ppl really think heavy armor is OP that's laughable it's the heavy armor sets that are a little to strong when mixed with proc sets

Heavy armor by its self is just fine

MalakithAlamahdi

Proc sets are OP, not heavy armor. They go well together because surviving longer means more OP procs to do the good bit of damage for you.

Solidsnake993

Synozeer wrote: »

Yes, the other guy did attack me. I should know, since I WAS THE ONE GANKED. My health bar dropped because 2 people ganked me at the same time. Their builds are made specifically to do high bursts of damage from stealth. It's not hard to understand.

You keep saying "he" probably had this and "he" was that. Hello! I'm right here, I know EXACTLY what "he" had. "He" had 4 impen, 4 sturdy, and "he" had about 20k physical resists since "he" was not buffed up. "He" is also not a tank build, "he" is a blazing shield build, which does not focus as much on resists as a true tank build would.

Sorry to ruin your point, but you'll have to find another way to make it.

Oh lol... well this is awkward...

Edit: That guy is a walking tumor...

Valencer

Constitution w/o Black Rose *only* gives the equivalent of about 750 magicka *and* stamina regen?

Want me to calculate for you how much base stam regen you need for medium armour to give you that much extra stam regen?

...

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Synozeer wrote: »

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

I'm the 60k guy he ganks, and it's actually 2 people ganking me at the same time, not just Sribes...

Yes he had someone else there with him but the other guy did not attack him with him. Either way even if there are 2 people there with him you are still missing the point when I say that heavy armor is not strong at all. Why did his health bar drop to 0 so quickly? Shouldn't he have lasted... I don't know... longer than 5 seconds? Can we at least agree that he should have lasted 5 seconds? He killed him in one second. I read what you said. You don't seem to get my point however.

Here is the logic 1)He had 60k health 2)He probably had around 30k physical resistance. I know a guy that built a tank with 40k physical resistance so it's probably even higher. 3)He obviously had impenetrable on his character because if he didn't have impenetrable then his damage intake would have been significantly higher.

Yes, the other guy did attack me. I should know, since I WAS THE ONE GANKED. My health bar dropped because 2 people ganked me at the same time. Their builds are made specifically to do high bursts of damage from stealth. It's not hard to understand.

You keep saying "he" probably had this and "he" was that. Hello! I'm right here, I know EXACTLY what "he" had. "He" had 4 impen, 4 sturdy, and "he" had about 20k physical resists since "he" was not buffed up. "He" is also not a tank build, "he" is a blazing shield build, which does not focus as much on resists as a true tank build would.

Sorry to ruin your point, but you'll have to find another way to make it.

Sir! How dare you pretend to be an expert on your own character! Bringing facts to an assumption fight is frowned upon in these parts.

Personally I'm assuming that you had 75k resistances and ran all training gear.

AzuraKin

Panth141 wrote: »

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Does anyone actually think that heavy armor alone is OP? Heavy armor with 2 proc damage sets and passive dodge chance, perhaps. No one in heavy is matching the burst damage of a medium armor ganker, I don't think anyone is claiming that. But there are good benefits and very few sacrifices made by choosing heavy over medium on builds that aren't gankers.

I tried it and I didn't like it. Like I said I saw no point wearing heavy armor because people cut right through my 16k physical and spell resistance. I didn't use proc sets because all I was doing was seeing how it performs, and it was satisfying by any means to me.

You're correct that people will penetrate a good portion of your extra resistance from heavy... But those same people will be penetrating your (far lower) resistances of your medium/light armour, assuming that you're not using shields.

Penetration is an irrelevance - if you get, say, 10k more resistance from going heavy, then you're still going to have 10k more when penetration is accounted for.*

As noted above, Constitution is not at all negligible. The max health passive helps, too.

*assuming that they're not penetrating more than (your resistance - 10k) in heavy armour.

this guy is hilarious, did you know you can penetrate 35k resistance?

raasdal

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

I'm the 60k guy he ganks, and it's actually 2 people ganking me at the same time, not just Sribes...

Yes he had someone else there with him but the other guy did not attack him with him. Either way even if there are 2 people there with him you are still missing the point when I say that heavy armor is not strong at all. Why did his health bar drop to 0 so quickly? Shouldn't he have lasted... I don't know... longer than 5 seconds? Can we at least agree that he should have lasted 5 seconds? He killed him in one second. I read what you said. You don't seem to get my point however.

Here is the logic 1)He had 60k health 2)He probably had around 30k physical resistance. I know a guy that built a tank with 40k physical resistance so it's probably even higher. 3)He obviously had impenetrable on his character because if he didn't have impenetrable then his damage intake would have been significantly higher.

Yes, the other guy did attack me. I should know, since I WAS THE ONE GANKED. My health bar dropped because 2 people ganked me at the same time. Their builds are made specifically to do high bursts of damage from stealth. It's not hard to understand.

You keep saying "he" probably had this and "he" was that. Hello! I'm right here, I know EXACTLY what "he" had. "He" had 4 impen, 4 sturdy, and "he" had about 20k physical resists since "he" was not buffed up. "He" is also not a tank build, "he" is a blazing shield build, which does not focus as much on resists as a true tank build would.

Sorry to ruin your point, but you'll have to find another way to make it.

Sir! How dare you pretend to be an expert on your own character! Bringing facts to an assumption fight is frowned upon in these parts.

Personally I'm assuming that you had 75k resistances and ran all training gear.

Ha!

AzuraKin wrote: »

Panth141 wrote: »

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Does anyone actually think that heavy armor alone is OP? Heavy armor with 2 proc damage sets and passive dodge chance, perhaps. No one in heavy is matching the burst damage of a medium armor ganker, I don't think anyone is claiming that. But there are good benefits and very few sacrifices made by choosing heavy over medium on builds that aren't gankers.

I tried it and I didn't like it. Like I said I saw no point wearing heavy armor because people cut right through my 16k physical and spell resistance. I didn't use proc sets because all I was doing was seeing how it performs, and it was satisfying by any means to me.

You're correct that people will penetrate a good portion of your extra resistance from heavy... But those same people will be penetrating your (far lower) resistances of your medium/light armour, assuming that you're not using shields.

Penetration is an irrelevance - if you get, say, 10k more resistance from going heavy, then you're still going to have 10k more when penetration is accounted for.*

As noted above, Constitution is not at all negligible. The max health passive helps, too.

*assuming that they're not penetrating more than (your resistance - 10k) in heavy armour.

this guy is hilarious, did you know you can penetrate 35k resistance?

How would you penetrate 35k resistance? Don't see that happening in any way, without being some kind of gimped build working for just that.

Solidsnake993

raasdal wrote: »

How would you penetrate 35k resistance? Don't see that happening in any way, without being some kind of gimped build working for just that.

Like I said you might as well run around in light armor because there's no difference in survival. You have no cost reduction for your abilities, your heals are not really that much tougher, and you do do far less damage because of the passive that gives spell penetration and the passive that gives 12% more weapon damage. I'm getting tired of people walking around with this cliche black rose thinking that they are top dog in PvP when in reality their armor doesn't really matter at all, and their passives are garbage.

thankyourat

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

How would you penetrate 35k resistance? Don't see that happening in any way, without being some kind of gimped build working for just that.

Like I said you might as well run around in light armor because there's no difference in survival. You have no cost reduction for your abilities, your heals are not really that much tougher, and you do do far less damage because of the passive that gives spell penetration and the passive that gives 12% more weapon damage. I'm getting tired of people walking around with this cliche black rose thinking that they are top dog in PvP when in reality their armor doesn't really matter at all, and their passives are garbage.

I notice a huge difference in my survivability when I wear heavy armor. Can you still be ganked? yes, but not everyone is running a gank build. But I also notice a difference in my damage. i like to play with more damage so I prefer light armor. But you're heals are far better in heavy armor. 8% increase in healing is a big boost and it is noticeable. I personally think heavy armor in itself isn't op, some of the heavy armor sets are too strong though and black rose is one of them. I usually run around 15k spell pen so as long as you have more spell resistance than that you are still mitigating damage. In heavy armor it's pretty easy to get over 20k resists with sets and skills. Not many people run more than 15k spell pen.

leepalmer95

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

First off I would like to say that this is not a buff thread nor a nerf thread. It's not even a rant. It's just me telling you why these heavy armor users are not safe.

The first thing I would like to start off with is for you to go watch Sribes's new video that he just posted where he wrecked the hell of out of everybody that was possibly wearing heavy armor, and lastly towards the end he ganked a guy with 60k health in 1 second in front of a lot of people and got away. Do not tell me that heavy armor is overpowered. I'm getting so sick and tired of everybody calling it the meta when it really isn't.

The constitution passive is garbage. People talk about being able to sustain but they sound so dumb because it says it only regenerates like I think 1500 resources every 4 seconds w/o black rose. You have no cost reduction for your abilities and you really can't sustain over health that well, which I will go over that in my next point.

People use sharpened weapons so they can just cut right through your armor. I play on a stamblade with a sharpened maul and 40 cp into piercing. I have no issues taking down people with 30k health.

That wrath passive is garbage compared to the medium armor passive that gives you 12% more weapon damage vs 150 more weapon and spell damage. You guys need to stop saying that there is no point in wearing medium armor because of this passive. You have no idea what you're talking about.

The rapid mending passive doesn't really benefit you that much. My heals are strong with the lingering health potions, without them it's terrible, but with heavy armor... hmmm... What is a 2.3k vigor plus 8%? That's like another 200 more healing to my vigor.

As I previously stated, Sribes was able to kill a guy with 60k health in 1 second. I bet that guy probably had over 30k resistance. I can't post the video because he plays music that would be against the community guidelines for me to share it. Just google it yourself.

You should get your facts right before you post a story.

1. Don't use a ganking video and evidence of any aspect of how good/bad something is.

2. Constitution is like 930~ without black rose and 1300~ with it. Which is very strong.
The 1300 every 4s in pvp is equal to 650 regen because regen ticks every 2s. This 5th piece bonus is equal to 650 stamina AND magicka recovery while giving 150 damage... Yes thats OP.

3. If you use heavy and use a armor buff your going to have 20k+ easy, 24k~ with s&b and 27/8k spell armor if your a dk or templar. Your penetration isn't going to cover that.

4. The wraith passive is pretty much equal to the medium passive. It's 200 without any buffs. The medium passive is 12% to your BASE wpn dmg, not your 3k-4k fully buffed one. But the number without any passives such a brutality, fighters guilds, class passives etc... You lose basically no damage.

5. 8% healing buff is pretty strong... not to mention to 50% more resources on a heavy attack. Some classes have to give up skill morphs for that.

6. Don't compare you heals with a lingering pots... 8% is pretty significant, see how much that is in cp. This is espcially significant for classes without mending.

Now lets compare medium to heavy.

You don't lose much crit because you use thief in heavy?
The reduction/regen is a bit irrelevant when classes can infinitely sustain in heavy.
The weapon damage is equal to wraith
The sneak cost is irrelevant
The dodge roll is kind of noticeable but again you can still sustain so easy.

You gain armor.
You gain BOTH magicka and stamina recovery
You 10% hp
You gain healing
You gain more resources on heavy attacks

What exactly do people give up?

Why can a Heavy stam sorc put of 5x heavy and go full damage in every other aspect and ignore regen while if that stam sorc was medium they would have to give up glyph's or armor for sustain? While being squishier with less dmg?

pieratsos

AzuraKin wrote: »

this guy is hilarious, did you know you can penetrate 35k resistance?

Lol. What are doing? running a PVE raid in PVP?

Bandit1215

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

Panth141 wrote: »

You really shouldn't rate the strength of build aspects based on how quickly @SRIBES can gank them.

Disclaimer:
I haven't seen the video... But I feel pretty safe assuming that he was ganking

That man isn't even human... I want to know how he was able to burst down that tank so freaking quickly. He must have had his keyboard setup to where he can push 12 buttons in 1 second.

*hacks

Solidsnake993

leepalmer95 wrote: »

You should get your facts right before you post a story.

1. Don't use a ganking video and evidence of any aspect of how good/bad something is.

2. Constitution is like 930~ without black rose and 1300~ with it. Which is very strong.
The 1300 every 4s in pvp is equal to 650 regen because regen ticks every 2s. This 5th piece bonus is equal to 650 stamina AND magicka recovery while giving 150 damage... Yes thats OP.

3. If you use heavy and use a armor buff your going to have 20k+ easy, 24k~ with s&b and 27/8k spell armor if your a dk or templar. Your penetration isn't going to cover that.

4. The wraith passive is pretty much equal to the medium passive. It's 200 without any buffs. The medium passive is 12% to your BASE wpn dmg, not your 3k-4k fully buffed one. But the number without any passives such a brutality, fighters guilds, class passives etc... You lose basically no damage.

5. 8% healing buff is pretty strong... not to mention to 50% more resources on a heavy attack. Some classes have to give up skill morphs for that.

6. Don't compare you heals with a lingering pots... 8% is pretty significant, see how much that is in cp. This is espcially significant for classes without mending.

Now lets compare medium to heavy.

You don't lose much crit because you use thief in heavy?
The reduction/regen is a bit irrelevant when classes can infinitely sustain in heavy.
The weapon damage is equal to wraith
The sneak cost is irrelevant
The dodge roll is kind of noticeable but again you can still sustain so easy.

You gain armor.
You gain BOTH magicka and stamina recovery
You 10% hp
You gain healing
You gain more resources on heavy attacks

What exactly do people give up?

Why can a Heavy stam sorc put of 5x heavy and go full damage in every other aspect and ignore regen while if that stam sorc was medium they would have to give up glyph's or armor for sustain? While being squishier with less dmg?

1) The wrath passive is nowehere near as comparable to the agility passive. When I respect my guy, I have 500 less weapon damage without that passive on my character. I just want you to know how much dps you are missing out of when you wear heavy armor.

2) 8% more healing received is okay I guess but not really. I don't see much of a difference wearing black rose and wearing hundings rage medium. The constitution passive is not overpowered because guess what? You have to get hit to take that damage. Same thing as the wrath passive. The wrath passive requires you to get hit like 10 times. You would die faster than 10 hits on my nightblade any day.

2) Ganking is the same exact thing as open combat if you think about it. You take bonus damage from stealth but after that it's just out of stealth damage. So my incapacitating strike hits for about 10k - the hardest it hits. If you are set up as a "dps" wearing heavy armor the highest you can get your resistance to wearing all golden is probably like 25k physical and spell resistance unbuffed. I know because I have a templar with heavy armor. You're armor is still going to get cut right through. I don't care how tanky you think you are. You're still going to die. If you don't think heavy armor is not overpowered because Sribes killed someone then I want you to watch this video. This empress is wearing heavy armor fighting a stamblade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-VbvjgipRk

You can't handle the damage that a nightblade throws at you. I don;t care what your build is.

3) I am not talking about the reduction for sneaking and the critical chance. You're missing the point I am making. You're resources cost an arm and a leg and if you run into me I will be using those poisons that will jack your resources. Bye bye to your resources. The weapn damage is not equal as I said it requires you to be hit and I stated you are going to die faster than 10 hits.

4) Lastly the costititution passive is garbage. No doubt about it. You cannot convince me that it is useful because you get more recovery and more cost reduction wearing medium or light. Yeah you get magicka and stamina back but let's be realistic when I tell you that it is not good enough. I hope you realize that you cannot get away with wearing heavy armor on stamplar because they have no sustain. Templay passives need to be reworked and they need to stop nerfing jabs.

Do you really get any kind of benefit? No. Think of that state farm commercial where the guy is dressed like a fisherman holding a fishing pole with a dollar on the hook as me, and then think of yourself as the person who wants the dollar so badly but they are too slow. Do you have any more survival in heavy armor? No. I actually think it's kind of depressing how little protection you have with 25k resistance, or more, against a guy with over 9k penetration and a sharpened maul. Don't talk to me about you being able to take more incoming damage because I have already told you that you don't mitigate garbage.

leepalmer95

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

You should get your facts right before you post a story.

1. Don't use a ganking video and evidence of any aspect of how good/bad something is.

2. Constitution is like 930~ without black rose and 1300~ with it. Which is very strong.
The 1300 every 4s in pvp is equal to 650 regen because regen ticks every 2s. This 5th piece bonus is equal to 650 stamina AND magicka recovery while giving 150 damage... Yes thats OP.

3. If you use heavy and use a armor buff your going to have 20k+ easy, 24k~ with s&b and 27/8k spell armor if your a dk or templar. Your penetration isn't going to cover that.

4. The wraith passive is pretty much equal to the medium passive. It's 200 without any buffs. The medium passive is 12% to your BASE wpn dmg, not your 3k-4k fully buffed one. But the number without any passives such a brutality, fighters guilds, class passives etc... You lose basically no damage.

5. 8% healing buff is pretty strong... not to mention to 50% more resources on a heavy attack. Some classes have to give up skill morphs for that.

6. Don't compare you heals with a lingering pots... 8% is pretty significant, see how much that is in cp. This is espcially significant for classes without mending.

Now lets compare medium to heavy.

You don't lose much crit because you use thief in heavy?
The reduction/regen is a bit irrelevant when classes can infinitely sustain in heavy.
The weapon damage is equal to wraith
The sneak cost is irrelevant
The dodge roll is kind of noticeable but again you can still sustain so easy.

You gain armor.
You gain BOTH magicka and stamina recovery
You 10% hp
You gain healing
You gain more resources on heavy attacks

What exactly do people give up?

Why can a Heavy stam sorc put of 5x heavy and go full damage in every other aspect and ignore regen while if that stam sorc was medium they would have to give up glyph's or armor for sustain? While being squishier with less dmg?

1) The wrath passive is nowehere near as comparable to the agility passive. When I respect my guy, I have 500 less weapon damage without that passive on my character. I just want you to know how much dps you are missing out of when you wear heavy armor.

2) 8% more healing received is okay I guess but not really. I don't see much of a difference wearing black rose and wearing hundings rage medium. The constitution passive is not overpowered because guess what? You have to get hit to take that damage. Same thing as the wrath passive. The wrath passive requires you to get hit like 10 times. You would die faster than 10 hits on my nightblade any day.

2) Ganking is the same exact thing as open combat if you think about it. You take bonus damage from stealth but after that it's just out of stealth damage. So my incapacitating strike hits for about 10k - the hardest it hits. If you are set up as a "dps" wearing heavy armor the highest you can get your resistance to wearing all golden is probably like 25k physical and spell resistance unbuffed. I know because I have a templar with heavy armor. You're armor is still going to get cut right through. I don't care how tanky you think you are. You're still going to die. If you don't think heavy armor is not overpowered because Sribes killed someone then I want you to watch this video. This empress is wearing heavy armor fighting a stamblade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-VbvjgipRk

You can't handle the damage that a nightblade throws at you. I don;t care what your build is.

3) I am not talking about the reduction for sneaking and the critical chance. You're missing the point I am making. You're resources cost an arm and a leg and if you run into me I will be using those poisons that will jack your resources. Bye bye to your resources. The weapn damage is not equal as I said it requires you to be hit and I stated you are going to die faster than 10 hits.

4) Lastly the costititution passive is garbage. No doubt about it. You cannot convince me that it is useful because you get more recovery and more cost reduction wearing medium or light. Yeah you get magicka and stamina back but let's be realistic when I tell you that it is not good enough. I hope you realize that you cannot get away with wearing heavy armor on stamplar because they have no sustain. Templay passives need to be reworked and they need to stop nerfing jabs.

Do you really get any kind of benefit? No. Think of that state farm commercial where the guy is dressed like a fisherman holding a fishing pole with a dollar on the hook as me, and then think of yourself as the person who wants the dollar so badly but they are too slow. Do you have any more survival in heavy armor? No. I actually think it's kind of depressing how little protection you have with 25k resistance, or more, against a guy with over 9k penetration and a sharpened maul. Don't talk to me about you being able to take more incoming damage because I have already told you that you don't mitigate garbage.

Just reading this feedback, im not even going to bother responding, your numbers are off, constitution is garage?, any dmg procs wraith including dots..

You using resource poisons as an example... like really? No matter what build you run those resource poisons will break it.

Heavy stamplar works, just not solo.

9k pen with 25k armor is 11k armor left which is like 17% reduction.

Compare to medium which would be around what? 17k? armor.

Your video is also useless, that empress is just bad, like really bad, no buffs, no purge, no cc, etc... They can't even sustain stamina as well so no sturdy, no tri pots etc...

If they was even a half decent player the nb would of died instantly.