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Removal of Proc Sets from PvP Confirmed!
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Grothdarr is a typical aoeblobzerg set. Perfect for those-crown chasing monkeys who do nothing but back up while spamming light attacks and move forward hiding in their Eye of Bullcrap.Waffennacht wrote: »Shouldn't we limit this to monster sets or specific sets?
Other sets not complained about as much because the damage and proc chance is relatively low:
Grothdarr
We'll see what they have in mind, but it's currently a mess. I hope ZOS cleans it up.
The mass use of Grothdarr is also not ok. It is in almost any medium to large battle death report nowadays.
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That's a good lesson to learn. I prefer a flat removal of proc sets like viper,Selene ,red mountain from PVP.While also fixing Tremor scale would go a long way of fixing people issue's with proc sets.Sandman929 wrote: »Perhaps the lesson here is, if you're running something that seems ridiculously OP, don't gold it.
And just leave in Valkyn skoria, Grondar, and VD? The bias is showing.Power Wealth And Influence.1 -
Kaizokugari✭✭I do not use proc sets all that much, in fact I've been complaining numerous times about them, but acting like they are the devil's reincarnate is absurd.
I find perma-shielded Sorcerers and unkillable Tankplars way more unbalanced. Crowd Control doesn't work as it should, in this full stamina meta at least, when everyone can shove of every possible CC easy by left+right click. I think classes that benefit most from a proc sets, like Stamblades, are already behind from other classes even with this advantage, due to the absurd damage mitigation and sustain other classes have. More thought should also be put on players that can act as anti-tank or anti-shield, through better skills or sets (Shieldbreaker set is joke imho). Sure, procing isn't skill but there are countless other practices in PVP that are not "skill" anymore, I mean it doesn't take a lot of practice to use one of those absurd Shieldplars running around Cyro and use them as your personal moblie charger for your Destro Ulti.
I am all in on some people saying ESO is so diverse and you can do so much with your character that you can't always be "viable" high to end game, but I think everybody has to have a chance. If you want to play something non PVP meta, you HAVE to have a chance. Right now, there are classes (like Magicka NB) and weapons (like Dual WIeld) that simply don't work or, to put it more lightly, are in a massive disadvantage.2 -
Bazeric✭✭✭✭Kaizokugari wrote: »Right now, there are classes (like Magicka NB) and weapons (like Dual WIeld) that simply don't work or, to put it more lightly, are in a massive disadvantage.
So you're saying I should stop playing my dual wield magblade and go grind viper/veli/widow/tremor? I mean it seems totally legit that stam melee can instantly stack an extra 9k+ damage, often out Dmging their actual skills. Of course I risk nothing being magicka melee so there is no need for me to have 1,2 or 3 - instant proc magicka damage set, I'm too OP as is... yeah...
Sometimes I wonder if I am doing myself a disservice by trying to get magicka melee NB to work. I fear ZOS looks at their little charts and are like, "LOOK! Their is one guy playing magicka melee, it must be fine, we don't need to change anything for them... phew...." I'd like to believe I would be just as fearsome as stam melee if I had 2 sets that would instantly add 10k magicka damage. I'd still be the piece of paper that I am, but at least I'd be getting a lot of KBs.Looking for broken things in hopes they may be fixed. I've given up, my game literally works differently from yours.
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Yes my bias as a person who only play stam who only has stambuilds are fine with Magic proc Set's.A person who have a problem with Skoria is a scrub.Vd is broken and only people who play in zergs get killed by it.Only bad players get killed by VD.Grothadar also broken where its proc chance is broken and is procing more than it should when Zos fix that Grothadar will be fine.Anti_Virus wrote: »
That's a good lesson to learn. I prefer a flat removal of proc sets like viper,Selene ,red mountain from PVP.While also fixing Tremor scale would go a long way of fixing people issue's with proc sets.Sandman929 wrote: »Perhaps the lesson here is, if you're running something that seems ridiculously OP, don't gold it.
And just leave in Valkyn skoria, Grondar, and VD? The bias is showing.
Hey but that's my opinion on a player who only play stam and has never PVP on a magic build on proc sets.
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You, sir deserve a medal.
Good I hope they Nerf them into the ground and no one use them anymore and everyone who did and upset about the change quit them game forever because their just a bunch of unskilled scrubs who couldn't get kills any other way.autumnsongbird wrote: »ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »Proc sets are not being removed from PVP... we have other ideas and when we've tested them, we will share the changes.
So you just released a bunch of proc sets for tam one, knowing people would be grinding their asses off for them. You let them grind their asses off for them. And now you are going to change (read: nerf) them approx 1 month after serving them up as the shiny new goodies of tam one? Wow, that is effing horrible under the best of conditions. I personally don't use them but I know a whole lot of people who I met while running dungeons who had grinded untold hours trying to get them, and they are going to be very pissed no doubt.
You guys really need to get a testing and balance team. Seriously. You REALLY need to do that because this kind of thing, nerfing them so shortly after they were released and grinded for by countless players is going to get you no good karma or good will with consumers. And frankly I hope you lose a ton of money from it because maybe then you'll get your *** together and stop doing this sort of stuff that a first year business major could tell you is an epic fail.
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NativeJoe✭✭✭✭✭Holy crap guys... do u guys not "know" Zos by now?
Haha...
Other ideas means they're going to equalize the proc sets with eachother. Adjust their timers, but the end effect will be that proc sets will still be meta... But they'll be more then 5 viable options.
So Welcome to proc topia; Where instead of balance changes to classes (was kinda sick and tired of that roller coaster anyway) They'll be changing Sets, adding in new ones incrementally, But RNGesus will be your new determining factor in fights. Whether you win or not, your character is effective or not... no one can know, it's all up to the procs!
And thus; the "balance debate" will be over. it will be, "ah man, had it just procd I'd have won" instead of "Nice cancer build you OP #@$%#$" or wow "templars are overpowered" or wow " Perma stealth fear spammer *claps*"
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Arreis235Soul ShrivenThis is beyond discouraging.
Elderscrolls was about choice. Now its proc or bust. But still a soul shriven, a nobody. So why bother listen that PVP is slowly dying with this pigeon hole.
Before stam setup was, 2h or nothing. Now its 2h+proc or don't bother. I've tried different builds, I believe proc sets make it too easy and I enjoyed the challenge.
To many forum trolls to even get a message heard these days.
Just leave this here, maybe, just maybe a dev will actually make a pvp toon, and come down to our level to see the damage done to the game its players love. Rather than sit on their high horse and try to fix things. Make a guild, join the people and hear the voices of other players aside from Forum trolls.
But they won't, if its anything I know, its human nature and they have no reason to. Their cheques are paid, their money comes in regardless of what they do. So to them, I can see it doesn't matter.Edited by Arreis235 on 19 November 2016 22:141 -
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Other sets not complained about as much because the damage and proc chance is relatively low:
Grothdarr
We'll see what they have in mind, but it's currently a mess. I hope ZOS cleans it up.
The mass use of Grothdarr is also not ok. It is in almost any medium to large battle death report nowadays.
It should tick for 1K or less. Nobody is dying from that alone.0 -
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Maybe it melts people like Wall of Elements?Waffennacht wrote: »Shouldn't we limit this to monster sets or specific sets?
Other sets not complained about as much because the damage and proc chance is relatively low:
Grothdarr
We'll see what they have in mind, but it's currently a mess. I hope ZOS cleans it up.
The mass use of Grothdarr is also not ok. It is in almost any medium to large battle death report nowadays.
It should tick for 1K or less. Nobody is dying from that alone.
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✭When literally every death recap in Cyrodiil contains multiple viper procs, maybe that's a hint something is wrong...0 -
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✭HoloYoitsu wrote: »
You, sir deserve a medal.
Good I hope they Nerf them into the ground and no one use them anymore and everyone who did and upset about the change quit them game forever because their just a bunch of unskilled scrubs who couldn't get kills any other way.autumnsongbird wrote: »ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »Proc sets are not being removed from PVP... we have other ideas and when we've tested them, we will share the changes.
So you just released a bunch of proc sets for tam one, knowing people would be grinding their asses off for them. You let them grind their asses off for them. And now you are going to change (read: nerf) them approx 1 month after serving them up as the shiny new goodies of tam one? Wow, that is effing horrible under the best of conditions. I personally don't use them but I know a whole lot of people who I met while running dungeons who had grinded untold hours trying to get them, and they are going to be very pissed no doubt.
You guys really need to get a testing and balance team. Seriously. You REALLY need to do that because this kind of thing, nerfing them so shortly after they were released and grinded for by countless players is going to get you no good karma or good will with consumers. And frankly I hope you lose a ton of money from it because maybe then you'll get your *** together and stop doing this sort of stuff that a first year business major could tell you is an epic fail.
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Yes my bias as a person who only play stam who only has stambuilds are fine with Magic proc Set's.A person who have a problem with Skoria is a scrub.Vd is broken and only people who play in zergs get killed by it.Only bad players get killed by VD.Grothadar also broken where its proc chance is broken and is procing more than it should when Zos fix that Grothadar will be fine.Anti_Virus wrote: »
That's a good lesson to learn. I prefer a flat removal of proc sets like viper,Selene ,red mountain from PVP.While also fixing Tremor scale would go a long way of fixing people issue's with proc sets.Sandman929 wrote: »Perhaps the lesson here is, if you're running something that seems ridiculously OP, don't gold it.
And just leave in Valkyn skoria, Grondar, and VD? The bias is showing.
Hey but that's my opinion on a player who only play stam and has never PVP on a magic build on proc sets.
What? Oh and judging by the use of the word 'scrub' you must be one of those main stream immature COD kids.
g'day mate.Edited by Anti_Virus on 20 November 2016 16:42Power Wealth And Influence.0 -
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Believe it or not I really don't care I have only played 2 COD that was world at war and original black ops.Never really enjoyed it more of a Battlefield guy.Hey always thought you had a problem with reading this confirms my suspicions.Anti_Virus wrote: »
Yes my bias as a person who only play stam who only has stambuilds are fine with Magic proc Set's.A person who have a problem with Skoria is a scrub.Vd is broken and only people who play in zergs get killed by it.Only bad players get killed by VD.Grothadar also broken where its proc chance is broken and is procing more than it should when Zos fix that Grothadar will be fine.Anti_Virus wrote: »
That's a good lesson to learn. I prefer a flat removal of proc sets like viper,Selene ,red mountain from PVP.While also fixing Tremor scale would go a long way of fixing people issue's with proc sets.Sandman929 wrote: »Perhaps the lesson here is, if you're running something that seems ridiculously OP, don't gold it.
And just leave in Valkyn skoria, Grondar, and VD? The bias is showing.
Hey but that's my opinion on a player who only play stam and has never PVP on a magic build on proc sets.
What? Oh and judging by the use of the word 'scrub' you mist be one of those main stream immature COD kids.
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SilentBoomstick✭✭✭you forgot:
- worlds food problem solved
- working hoverboard built
- destruction staff ultimate nerfed
I made a post about this earlier and so many people defended this and said L2P like this ability isn't actually OP and it's fine the way it is. That's equivalent to telling people to L2P when someone requests a nerf for the Jesus Beam. They said they nerfed it 3x already but it's still really OP.0 -
KingKalbo✭✭Leveling class/ weapon skills across the board and dumping proc sets seems to me the best path to variety in pvp. Too many MMO's are gear based. Farm time ( for sets)seems to equal skill here. Just my thoughts.Edited by KingKalbo on 20 November 2016 06:000
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✭Anti_Virus wrote: »
That's a good lesson to learn. I prefer a flat removal of proc sets like viper,Selene ,red mountain from PVP.While also fixing Tremor scale would go a long way of fixing people issue's with proc sets.Sandman929 wrote: »Perhaps the lesson here is, if you're running something that seems ridiculously OP, don't gold it.
And just leave in Valkyn skoria, Grondar, and VD? The bias is showing.
Skoria only has a 8% chance to proc and it has to be from damage over time effects. Skoria is fine. all proc sets should work like skoria or kena. The magicka proc sets honestly don't feel all that op, and aren't as difficult to play around. The stamina proc sets are literally one shotting people. Which is ridiculous.0 -
Awakatanka✭✭Does this mean monster sets will not work? This means unless you're a 561, you always have a disadvantage
My 12 year kid is also not stronger then me. It is the way it should be. Why you want to have everything at start. Why even bother to buy a game where you have to play to be beter..... kids now a day's want it the easy way... all those dumb down MMO are just plain wrong..
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Believe it or not I really don't care I have only played 2 COD that was world at war and original black ops.Never really enjoyed it more of a Battlefield guy.Hey always thought you had a problem with reading this confirms my suspicions.Anti_Virus wrote: »
Yes my bias as a person who only play stam who only has stambuilds are fine with Magic proc Set's.A person who have a problem with Skoria is a scrub.Vd is broken and only people who play in zergs get killed by it.Only bad players get killed by VD.Grothadar also broken where its proc chance is broken and is procing more than it should when Zos fix that Grothadar will be fine.Anti_Virus wrote: »
That's a good lesson to learn. I prefer a flat removal of proc sets like viper,Selene ,red mountain from PVP.While also fixing Tremor scale would go a long way of fixing people issue's with proc sets.Sandman929 wrote: »Perhaps the lesson here is, if you're running something that seems ridiculously OP, don't gold it.
And just leave in Valkyn skoria, Grondar, and VD? The bias is showing.
Hey but that's my opinion on a player who only play stam and has never PVP on a magic build on proc sets.
What? Oh and judging by the use of the word 'scrub' you mist be one of those main stream immature COD kids.
g'day mate.
Cool, I didn't even acount your own contradiction in your statement. If people are "scrubs" for losing againt Valkyn skoria, then doen't that make you one if you lose against stamina based proc sets?
The more you know!Power Wealth And Influence.0 -
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You be right if I actually died to proc Set's. Unlike you I actually have a build that can survive it,but hey magic proc sets don't proc twice or hit above 8k damage unlike Selene, tremor,viper but hey a proc scrub like you will do anything they can to defend their cheese I see.Anti_Virus wrote: »
Believe it or not I really don't care I have only played 2 COD that was world at war and original black ops.Never really enjoyed it more of a Battlefield guy.Hey always thought you had a problem with reading this confirms my suspicions.Anti_Virus wrote: »
Yes my bias as a person who only play stam who only has stambuilds are fine with Magic proc Set's.A person who have a problem with Skoria is a scrub.Vd is broken and only people who play in zergs get killed by it.Only bad players get killed by VD.Grothadar also broken where its proc chance is broken and is procing more than it should when Zos fix that Grothadar will be fine.Anti_Virus wrote: »
That's a good lesson to learn. I prefer a flat removal of proc sets like viper,Selene ,red mountain from PVP.While also fixing Tremor scale would go a long way of fixing people issue's with proc sets.Sandman929 wrote: »Perhaps the lesson here is, if you're running something that seems ridiculously OP, don't gold it.
And just leave in Valkyn skoria, Grondar, and VD? The bias is showing.
Hey but that's my opinion on a player who only play stam and has never PVP on a magic build on proc sets.
What? Oh and judging by the use of the word 'scrub' you mist be one of those main stream immature COD kids.
g'day mate.
Cool, I didn't even acount your own contradiction in your statement. If people are "scrubs" for losing againt Valkyn skoria, then doen't that make you one if you lose against stamina based proc sets?
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You be right if I actually died to proc Set's. Unlike you I actually have a build that can survive it,but hey magic proc sets don't proc twice or hit above 8k damage unlike Selene, tremor,viper but hey a proc scrub like you will do anything they can to defend their cheese I see.Anti_Virus wrote: »
Believe it or not I really don't care I have only played 2 COD that was world at war and original black ops.Never really enjoyed it more of a Battlefield guy.Hey always thought you had a problem with reading this confirms my suspicions.Anti_Virus wrote: »
Yes my bias as a person who only play stam who only has stambuilds are fine with Magic proc Set's.A person who have a problem with Skoria is a scrub.Vd is broken and only people who play in zergs get killed by it.Only bad players get killed by VD.Grothadar also broken where its proc chance is broken and is procing more than it should when Zos fix that Grothadar will be fine.Anti_Virus wrote: »
That's a good lesson to learn. I prefer a flat removal of proc sets like viper,Selene ,red mountain from PVP.While also fixing Tremor scale would go a long way of fixing people issue's with proc sets.Sandman929 wrote: »Perhaps the lesson here is, if you're running something that seems ridiculously OP, don't gold it.
And just leave in Valkyn skoria, Grondar, and VD? The bias is showing.
Hey but that's my opinion on a player who only play stam and has never PVP on a magic build on proc sets.
What? Oh and judging by the use of the word 'scrub' you mist be one of those main stream immature COD kids.
g'day mate.
Cool, I didn't even acount your own contradiction in your statement. If people are "scrubs" for losing againt Valkyn skoria, then doen't that make you one if you lose against stamina based proc sets?
The more you know!
Then why QQ about request for them to be removed? More contradictions.
The more you know?Power Wealth And Influence.0 -
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✭Anti_Virus wrote: »
Believe it or not I really don't care I have only played 2 COD that was world at war and original black ops.Never really enjoyed it more of a Battlefield guy.Hey always thought you had a problem with reading this confirms my suspicions.Anti_Virus wrote: »
Yes my bias as a person who only play stam who only has stambuilds are fine with Magic proc Set's.A person who have a problem with Skoria is a scrub.Vd is broken and only people who play in zergs get killed by it.Only bad players get killed by VD.Grothadar also broken where its proc chance is broken and is procing more than it should when Zos fix that Grothadar will be fine.Anti_Virus wrote: »
That's a good lesson to learn. I prefer a flat removal of proc sets like viper,Selene ,red mountain from PVP.While also fixing Tremor scale would go a long way of fixing people issue's with proc sets.Sandman929 wrote: »Perhaps the lesson here is, if you're running something that seems ridiculously OP, don't gold it.
And just leave in Valkyn skoria, Grondar, and VD? The bias is showing.
Hey but that's my opinion on a player who only play stam and has never PVP on a magic build on proc sets.
What? Oh and judging by the use of the word 'scrub' you mist be one of those main stream immature COD kids.
g'day mate.
Cool, I didn't even acount your own contradiction in your statement. If people are "scrubs" for losing againt Valkyn skoria, then doen't that make you one if you lose against stamina based proc sets?
The more you know!
I don't understand how you can compare skoria to viper or tremorscale. The reason no one complains about skoria is because it's not op. The proc chance is low and only works on dots. That's how they need to make the new stamina proc sets. Skoria, engine guardian, blood spawn are all pretty balanced 2 pieces that don't really need to be toned down. tremorscale has a 50% chance to proc, not only that it had a 70% snare and viper price every 4 seconds as well. And even more you can combine the two.0 -
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✭thankyourat wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »
That's a good lesson to learn. I prefer a flat removal of proc sets like viper,Selene ,red mountain from PVP.While also fixing Tremor scale would go a long way of fixing people issue's with proc sets.Sandman929 wrote: »Perhaps the lesson here is, if you're running something that seems ridiculously OP, don't gold it.
And just leave in Valkyn skoria, Grondar, and VD? The bias is showing.
Skoria only has a 8% chance to proc and it has to be from damage over time effects. Skoria is fine. all proc sets should work like skoria or kena. The magicka proc sets honestly don't feel all that op, and aren't as difficult to play around. The stamina proc sets are literally one shotting people. Which is ridiculous.
Yeah, well it's good but not over the top like stam based ones, still the point was to address the hypocrisy of some Magicka based players.
Even though we all hate proc based sets in general these guys hate stamina based builds so much they are willing to defend magicka based proc sets even though they claim that hate ALL kinds just to be in spite of others.
"If it's magicka based it CAN'T be OP"
Process sets should be for defense or buffs like kena or blood spawn.Power Wealth And Influence.0 -
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