The New PvP.. Everyone is OP! (even the lousy players)

Rune_Relic

olsborg wrote: »

I agree with OP, they dumbed down pvp-combat with these procc sets so for the first time, I dont enjoy cyrodiil. And ive endured alot of *** through the years in eso, lagg, imbalances, bugs etc etc. But this takes the cake, pvp morale is worn pretty thin now.

Isnt that a testament to the PvP players though ?
Still trying to make it work through thick and thin.

Pats @olsborg and the other PvP players on the back.
Especially those who tried to do it without cheese.

ostrapz

@Doctordarkspawn I think you should read the first sentence of the post and go from there.

Doctordarkspawn

ostrapz wrote: »

@Doctordarkspawn I think you should read the first sentence of the post and go from there.

Exept more than PVPers are going to be effected by the changes that will be made.

The first line can strip naked and whistle dixey and I'd still ignore it.

ostrapz

@Doctordarkspawn I'm assuming your saying pve'rsinbow will be more affected? The point of the first line was for people like you who don't care about the state of pvp to withhold their opinion on something they clearly don't know or care about. As to what you have said that is completely false. 90%of stam classes completing any difficult content are running dw and bow. I dnt know any legitimate "dps" who are spamming pucnture , you realize that pulls aggro from the tank as well as pulls your weapon damage to low to compete with dw bow or even 2h. Not to mention your trying to vouch for a set that is not effective on your build, period. The 5k dps your adding with it would go to each player in the dungeon if you wore bloodspawn and used warhorn. So how about you post some video of this "tank, breath of life dps/snare" build doing dsa or a trial or vma and then maybe we will all consider all the tanks who will lose dps instead of the larger half of stamriel running around with it. Or maybe, we will just ignore you

Doctordarkspawn

ostrapz wrote: »

@Doctordarkspawn I'm assuming your saying pve'rsinbow will be more affected? The point of the first line was for people like you who don't care about the state of pvp to withhold their opinion on something they clearly don't know or care about. As to what you have said that is completely false. 90%of stam classes completing any difficult content are running dw and bow. I dnt know any legitimate "dps" who are spamming pucnture , you realize that pulls aggro from the tank as well as pulls your weapon damage to low to compete with dw bow or even 2h. Not to mention your trying to vouch for a set that is not effective on your build, period. The 5k dps your adding with it would go to each player in the dungeon if you wore bloodspawn and used warhorn. So how about you post some video of this "tank, breath of life dps/snare" build doing dsa or a trial or vma and then maybe we will all consider all the tanks who will lose dps instead of the larger half of stamriel running around with it. Or maybe, we will just ignore you

I've allready said I dont do trials, I was never a raider, plus my computer cant handle it, and I'm notoriously against VMA, so your not going to -get- video's on those.

I dont reccomend anyone use my build either, it's just somethin' I do. Reguardless, I've allready stated how stupid the proc set hate is multiple times, and if you dont get it then you wont get it now. It's a nieche build for a nieche audience of one, and while it'll survive without Tremorscale, I dont think Tremorscale should be nerfed because of a game mode that will never be ballanced and cannot be ballanced.

Now quit friggin mentioning me, I stopped caring about this thread after the 'abandon thread' post. Please, ignore me, so I can do the same, just let me forget this thread exists.

P.S. If I wanted to make an effective build at the cost of everything else, individuality, enjoyment, then I'd follow the meta. I didn't. I made my build for me. And it's tanked Ruins of Mazzatun vet, and it's tanked COS vet. And that's all I care about. You can have trials, just quit trying to *** with the rest of the game and we'll be just peachy keen.

Lava_Croft

Just accept that Wrobel is designing all his new toys for the same brainless zombies that pop up in this thread saying you need proc gear for PvE.

Or just quit ESO, because there's no chance this game will do anything except cater to the type of casuals that thought Skyrim was challenging and Fallout4 had good quests. These are the people making ZOS the real money.

BohnT

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

ostrapz wrote: »

@Doctordarkspawn I'm assuming your saying pve'rsinbow will be more affected? The point of the first line was for people like you who don't care about the state of pvp to withhold their opinion on something they clearly don't know or care about. As to what you have said that is completely false. 90%of stam classes completing any difficult content are running dw and bow. I dnt know any legitimate "dps" who are spamming pucnture , you realize that pulls aggro from the tank as well as pulls your weapon damage to low to compete with dw bow or even 2h. Not to mention your trying to vouch for a set that is not effective on your build, period. The 5k dps your adding with it would go to each player in the dungeon if you wore bloodspawn and used warhorn. So how about you post some video of this "tank, breath of life dps/snare" build doing dsa or a trial or vma and then maybe we will all consider all the tanks who will lose dps instead of the larger half of stamriel running around with it. Or maybe, we will just ignore you

I've allready said I dont do trials, I was never a raider, plus my computer cant handle it, and I'm notoriously against VMA, so your not going to -get- video's on those.

I dont reccomend anyone use my build either, it's just somethin' I do. Reguardless, I've allready stated how stupid the proc set hate is multiple times, and if you dont get it then you wont get it now. It's a nieche build for a nieche audience of one, and while it'll survive without Tremorscale, I dont think Tremorscale should be nerfed because of a game mode that will never be ballanced and cannot be ballanced.

Now quit friggin mentioning me, I stopped caring about this thread after the 'abandon thread' post. Please, ignore me, so I can do the same, just let me forget this thread exists.

P.S. If I wanted to make an effective build at the cost of everything else, individuality, enjoyment, then I'd follow the meta. I didn't. I made my build for me. And it's tanked Ruins of Mazzatun vet, and it's tanked COS vet. And that's all I care about. You can have trials, just quit trying to *** with the rest of the game and we'll be just peachy keen.

You don't play much pvp and still you say it won't be balanced anytime. You don't have any idea how bad somethings in PvP perform because you never really played against them.
PvP will never die as long as Zos actually balance some things right and there are enough suggestions on the forum to choose from.
Everyone in PvP says that proc sets and destro ults etc killed the fun for most but they still play with it because we love PvP and we want something to be changed but we never want to lose it entirely. I really laugh every time a PvE player tells me that the pvp community should life with the bad circumstances.
I would enjoy it if ZoS implements a bug that gives every Trash mob a 50% chance to deal 10k damage and a snare+ another 8k damage on top of it. of course this can happen every second because all the mobs can come up with this combination and be sure that you can't dodge it all the time ;D
Would be fun to see the cry and hate on the forum

Doctordarkspawn

BohnT wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

ostrapz wrote: »

@Doctordarkspawn I'm assuming your saying pve'rsinbow will be more affected? The point of the first line was for people like you who don't care about the state of pvp to withhold their opinion on something they clearly don't know or care about. As to what you have said that is completely false. 90%of stam classes completing any difficult content are running dw and bow. I dnt know any legitimate "dps" who are spamming pucnture , you realize that pulls aggro from the tank as well as pulls your weapon damage to low to compete with dw bow or even 2h. Not to mention your trying to vouch for a set that is not effective on your build, period. The 5k dps your adding with it would go to each player in the dungeon if you wore bloodspawn and used warhorn. So how about you post some video of this "tank, breath of life dps/snare" build doing dsa or a trial or vma and then maybe we will all consider all the tanks who will lose dps instead of the larger half of stamriel running around with it. Or maybe, we will just ignore you

I've allready said I dont do trials, I was never a raider, plus my computer cant handle it, and I'm notoriously against VMA, so your not going to -get- video's on those.

I dont reccomend anyone use my build either, it's just somethin' I do. Reguardless, I've allready stated how stupid the proc set hate is multiple times, and if you dont get it then you wont get it now. It's a nieche build for a nieche audience of one, and while it'll survive without Tremorscale, I dont think Tremorscale should be nerfed because of a game mode that will never be ballanced and cannot be ballanced.

Now quit friggin mentioning me, I stopped caring about this thread after the 'abandon thread' post. Please, ignore me, so I can do the same, just let me forget this thread exists.

P.S. If I wanted to make an effective build at the cost of everything else, individuality, enjoyment, then I'd follow the meta. I didn't. I made my build for me. And it's tanked Ruins of Mazzatun vet, and it's tanked COS vet. And that's all I care about. You can have trials, just quit trying to *** with the rest of the game and we'll be just peachy keen.

You don't play much pvp and still you say it won't be balanced anytime. You don't have any idea how bad somethings in PvP perform because you never really played against them.
PvP will never die as long as Zos actually balance some things right and there are enough suggestions on the forum to choose from.
Everyone in PvP says that proc sets and destro ults etc killed the fun for most but they still play with it because we love PvP and we want something to be changed but we never want to lose it entirely. I really laugh every time a PvE player tells me that the pvp community should life with the bad circumstances.
I would enjoy it if ZoS implements a bug that gives every Trash mob a 50% chance to deal 10k damage and a snare+ another 8k damage on top of it. of course this can happen every second because all the mobs can come up with this combination and be sure that you can't dodge it all the time ;D
Would be fun to see the cry and hate on the forum

He said, totally unaware of the legions who tell people unhappy with geting vigor that they need to suffer because PVPers need to grind for undaunted rank 9.

Oh, the hypocrisy.

I laugh at you because the PVP community have allways been unreasonable, allways demanded things fit for PVP and PVP alone, allways demanded certain specs, certain builds, certain aspects of gameplay are nerfed for PVP and you have the gaul, to go 'lawl we shouldn't accept that it's just crap'? You deserve it. You deserve every second of the gameplay you love being ruined because of all the entitlement and selfish demands that have been made by your community over the years. This is Karma, and it's been long, long, long overdue.

When the PVP community can stop screeching for five minutes about something that, in nerfing, would affect an entirely different audience, then we'll talk. Until then deal with it and like it because it's all you deserve.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I've turned off notifications on -everything- and I'm going to give this thread the time-out in the corner it deserves. Have fun in the inballance we usually have to deal with because of -your- crap.

Alucardo

smashcats wrote: »

Try not rage quitting cyrodiil after your first death and you will notice, there are plenty other builds/classes doing just fine without tremor so....

Agreed. The viper/velidreth Nightblades are laughing all the way to the AP bank.

STEVIL

"THe way i was killing others before" = good.
"The way others are killing me now" = bad.
Same tune with new lyrics.

KramUzibra

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

I run tremorscale. Why do I run tremorscale? Because it gives my tank some decent damage.

When people duel me I usually stomp them into the ground.

Tremorscale should not be nerfed for that. Why? Because PVP will never be ballanced. Because the Proc sets are just a reliable way to get burst damage, because if it's not this it'll be something else.

PVP has allways, will allways, must suck. Because it cant co-exist with PVE. I wish designers would learn this. Tremorscale has a place in PVE, and I'd like for that place not to be compromised for the sake of PVP whining.

Let PVP die.

Basically, you suck at both PvP and PvE and you think you got an argument there? lol

When you have a way to prove I cant do my job as a tank then call me. Until then, figure out what 'sucking' means. Hint for you, and this one is free, it's not being able to do your job. (IE, Maintaining taunt and not dying in a PVE context.)

(Also, being able to pull decent DPS and having group heals while still maintaining Mitigation and taunt in all but vet trials, which my computer cant run anyway, is pretty damn good I should think.)

Even then, using proc sets in PVP is not sucking. It's using an advantage that was ment to be used. What, do you expect people to handicap themselves for the sake of 'fairness'? A fair fight is for suckers. Before proc sets were largely in use people used to complain about duels that'd go on for 15 minutes. Now people complain about the proc sets that eliminated that problem.

There are issues we should genuinely be looking at with this update, like scaling in group content which needs fixed in many many places. This isn't one of them.

Haha procs sets, no skill required. GO ahead and take advantage while you can. Get used to relying on these procs and when it's taken away and not viable in a duel those that have been so reliant on these sets will be exposed.

tinythinker

If it makes you feel any better I've had the same subpar gear for a very long time. There are many of us who are still super easy to kill in PvP.

KramUzibra

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

I run tremorscale. Why do I run tremorscale? Because it gives my tank some decent damage.

When people duel me I usually stomp them into the ground.

Tremorscale should not be nerfed for that. Why? Because PVP will never be ballanced. Because the Proc sets are just a reliable way to get burst damage, because if it's not this it'll be something else.

PVP has allways, will allways, must suck. Because it cant co-exist with PVE. I wish designers would learn this. Tremorscale has a place in PVE, and I'd like for that place not to be compromised for the sake of PVP whining.

Let PVP die.

Basically, you suck at both PvP and PvE and you think you got an argument there? lol

When you have a way to prove I cant do my job as a tank then call me. Until then, figure out what 'sucking' means. Hint for you, and this one is free, it's not being able to do your job. (IE, Maintaining taunt and not dying in a PVE context.)

(Also, being able to pull decent DPS and having group heals while still maintaining Mitigation and taunt in all but vet trials, which my computer cant run anyway, is pretty damn good I should think.)

Even then, using proc sets in PVP is not sucking. It's using an advantage that was ment to be used. What, do you expect people to handicap themselves for the sake of 'fairness'? A fair fight is for suckers. Before proc sets were largely in use people used to complain about duels that'd go on for 15 minutes. Now people complain about the proc sets that eliminated that problem.

There are issues we should genuinely be looking at with this update, like scaling in group content which needs fixed in many many places. This isn't one of them.

5k dps is laughable when you can give each dd about 6-8k more dmg with warhorn. If you es need those 10k damage every 4 seconds your group sucks. If I wanted to join my Raid guild with a my tank wearing anything other than bloodspawn or another Support set my raidleader says to me " gtfo with your scrub build and don't consider to come back in the next 2 weeks " And he would be right because tremorscale sucks its ment to be played in pvp and it is op there so it should be nerfed or changed entirely.
Play as you like but don't ruin the fun for a lot of us only because your niche build favors from it in pve

...How am I ruining the fun for people running content I dont run?

You want to justify that a set like tremorscale can remain broken just because it is broken in pvp, which is already dead iyo but it's only dead because seltsam like tremorscale killed it

PVP was broken long before this. It was broken back in the day when duels would last for 15 minutes. The fundemental nature of PVP where one Dominant strategy must exist makes it broken. You cannot fix what was never functioning.

By this logic, Snares are broken. Spike damage is broken. Do you realize in how many ways these statements are idiotic? People can get these without procsets, the only difference is with them, fights dont last as long, and that was a complaint people -allways- had.

If we remove proc sets, you will find something else that 'killed' PVP. It will never end. Forgive me if I dont think a set should suffer from the same cycle thats claimed entire class specs.

So your solution is to just leave it broken?

failkiwib16_ESO

I don't think pvp is broken, the truth is that many players complained that they couldn't pvp because rich endgamers had the best gear and best sets ...so they evened it out, by allowing everyone become more or less equally OP in pvp.

It started with us getting a non-veteran campaign, then we got a non-cp campaign, healing and damage nerfs and many skills were also adjusted and nerfed, we even got a stamina based healing skill.

Leogon

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

I don't think pvp is broken, the truth is that many players complained that they couldn't pvp because rich endgamers had the best gear and best sets ...so they evened it out, by allowing everyone become more or less equally OP in pvp.

This. Looks like some people don't like fair fights and the way I see it is if you have an OP set and can't beat a "lousy player" with an OP set then maybe you're not as skilled as you thought you were. Just saying.

Nemeliom

All I know is that whatever the change is, there's always people complaining.
This kind of threads have been in this forum since the beginning. And every time it was: "I never complained before, but this time...".
I don't like it either, but hey, what can I do? Suck it up up until next patch.

jlboozer

Don't exaggerate....nothing is as bad as CoD

Waffennacht

I have a 3 to 1 K/D ratio against proc builds,

This is not in over numbered pvp Cyrodiil situations though.

1v1 smallscale is much more enjoyable imo

Valencer

It's pretty obvious this is all working as intended tbh.

Give people i-win buttons so they can casually log into cyrodiil, get some kills, and feel good about themselves. People getting farmed means people being discouraged from logging on and playing, which in turn means less crown store sales. Everyone needs to feel like a winner or ZOS' business model is in trouble.

Would love to see them prove me wrong but the fact that there's complete silence about any kind of PvP balancing says enough to me. They simply don't care and are quite content with the current braindead PvP meta.

Rohamad_Ali

ZOS be liek

BohnT

They actually said that they want update 13 to be a huge balance patch along with housing i really hope they don't mess it up but I'm pretty sure they will

Waffennacht

Valencer wrote: »

It's pretty obvious this is all working as intended tbh.

Give people i-win buttons so they can casually log into cyrodiil, get some kills, and feel good about themselves. People getting farmed means people being discouraged from logging on and playing, which in turn means less crown store sales. Everyone needs to feel like a winner or ZOS' business model is in trouble.

Would love to see them prove me wrong but the fact that there's complete silence about any kind of PvP balancing says enough to me. They simply don't care and are quite content with the current braindead PvP meta.

This makes no logical sense. How can you give people "I win" buttons and at the same time not have people farmed?

Give it time, I'm already seeing a new meta take form.

Here's a hint: Every non DK or Temp proc user will whisper hate about Mines - this means they are extremely effective. As Stamssorcs are getting more popular the more mines get hate. DKs and Temps have counters, but a stam sorc (a newer fotm) has no hope

Jaiden

I been running 5 spriggans and 5 viper and 2 single set monster pieces for stats. I like it better than 3 proc sets. Them 14k incap strikes are nice

ZOS_JohanaB

We moved this thread to PvP Combat & Skills but we've also removed several post from the thread. As you post please remember be civil, be constructive, and follow the community rules.

Ankael07

ZOS_JohanaB wrote: »

We moved this thread to PvP Combat & Skills but we've also removed several post from the thread. As you post please remember be civil, be constructive, and follow the community rules.

Are we allowed to be as constructive as Wrobel was when designing these proc gears?

Korah_Eaglecry

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

I run tremorscale. Why do I run tremorscale? Because it gives my tank some decent damage.

When people duel me I usually stomp them into the ground.

Tremorscale should not be nerfed for that. Why? Because PVP will never be ballanced. Because the Proc sets are just a reliable way to get burst damage, because if it's not this it'll be something else.

PVP has allways, will allways, must suck. Because it cant co-exist with PVE. I wish designers would learn this. Tremorscale has a place in PVE, and I'd like for that place not to be compromised for the sake of PVP whining.

Let PVP die.

WE'LL NEVER ACHIEVE TRUE BALANCE SO SCREW BALANCING THE GAME BECAUSE I FOUND ME A GREAT OP SET I CAN TROLOLOLOLOL OVER THE PVE CONTENT!

TheSeer

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

If you are not a PvP player your feedback in this discussion isn't necessary.

Cute.

I'm not a PVP player, at least not in this game. The reason being all the reasons people have been listing for months now. Proc sets, poisons, damage shield spam, stun spams, ect. has only made Cyrodiil even less desireable to me, I don't want to PVP in a game where people with no idea what they are doing can become OP and people with actual skill get left to die.

Alucardo

TheSeer wrote: »

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

If you are not a PvP player your feedback in this discussion isn't necessary.

I'm not a PVP player, at least not in this game. The reason being all the reasons people have been listing for months now. Proc sets, poisons, damage shield spam, stun spams, ect. has only made Cyrodiil even less desireable to me, I don't want to PVP in a game where people with no idea what they are doing can become OP and people with actual skill get left to die.

I'm a PVPer and I don't want to PVP for the exact same reason xD
LONG LIVE PVE.

MoeCoastie

STEVIL wrote: »

"THe way i was killing others before" = good.
"The way others are killing me now" = bad.
Same tune with new lyrics.

I have to agree with this poster.

Ive been playing this game just as long as anyone here and this is pvp in a nutshell. Most people tend to not like dying to what they and their circle of friends deem as unskilled. Its skill to be taught a rotation in which all the skill cancel well, provide you to squeeze 2,3, or maybe 4 attacks in a sequence to insta gib someone. Its skill to pass along little exploits and strats to friends so that they too can manipulate game mechanics and feel powerful.

PvP has always been a display of those who know and those who dont. When the population of who knows becomes larger than the population that doesn't, that it when it is deemed unskilled and cheese.

How many times have you heard:

"i used to run this set pre-blah blah and now everyone is running it and now I see how cheese it is"

or

"insta-gibbing is no fun for anyone unless they are using some variation of ani-canceling and light/heavy weaving....then its l2p"

Nobody wants true balance, they just dont like dying.

Tonnopesce

kasa-obake wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

You forgot

5: The new shield stacking meteor spammers sorcerers metà.

ZoS we need a balance patch where you fix this game for the sake of pvp.

Unless you meant "destro ulti" which isn't spammable at any rate, I'd have to disagree..
And shieldstacking will get you nowhere with 20k bursts easily doable with viper + veli + widowmaker.

Ok so you are defending a 50% proc chance to do 4-5k damage x 3 meteors that go trough walls / stealth /invisible with almost no cooldown.(I believe is the infernal guardian monster set)
At least the velidreth is "worthless at range" like the viper, while i don't see problems with the widowmaker proc chance, Since it has the poison cooldown added to it.