The New PvP.. Everyone is OP! (even the lousy players)

Lokey0024

Love watching my 3/4 healthbar then death recap pops before the break free animation can end. Good times. And WTACTUALF are people still just spaming light attack and retreating for in groups?! Pop shuffle, dodge roll and run at first hint of enemy push. Its 5v5 and all of a sudden im 5v1 because i cant run on my dk. Ps4 EP scrubs, callin you out.

arkansas_ESO

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

I run tremorscale. Why do I run tremorscale? Because it gives my tank some decent damage.

When people duel me I usually stomp them into the ground.

Tremorscale should not be nerfed for that. Why? Because PVP will never be ballanced. Because the Proc sets are just a reliable way to get burst damage, because if it's not this it'll be something else.

PVP has allways, will allways, must suck. Because it cant co-exist with PVE. I wish designers would learn this. Tremorscale has a place in PVE, and I'd like for that place not to be compromised for the sake of PVP whining.

Let PVP die.

Tremorscale isn't even a good PVE tanking set, lol. If you're spamming a taunt like how Tremorscale requires you to then you're messing up significantly. This set is already meaningless in PVE, there's no reason that it couldn't be reworked to where it wasn't an issue in PVP.

Also, why are you even here? It's obvious you're not a PVPer. Did you not even see the "If you are not a PvP player your feedback in this discussion isn't necessary." at the top of the original post?

PainfulFAFA

Without a doubt the pvp in this game went from 2014 amazing to 2016 TRASH.
From imbalance, bugs, proctards, to #zoslogic i can barely play for an hour nowadays every other day before getting fed up and quitting again lol

Its just one of those games that has HUGELY dissappointed me coz i had lot of fun in the beginning. The most fun i had playing an mmo buts thats absolutely gone. Game is just a placeholder for my next mmo

Lexxypwns

kasa-obake wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

You forgot

5: The new shield stacking meteor spammers sorcerers metà.

ZoS we need a balance patch where you fix this game for the sake of pvp.

Unless you meant "destro ulti" which isn't spammable at any rate, I'd have to disagree..
And shieldstacking will get you nowhere with 20k bursts easily doable with viper + veli + widowmaker.

infernal guardian...

HoloYoitsu

Lexxypwns wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

You forgot

5: The new shield stacking meteor spammers sorcerers metà.

ZoS we need a balance patch where you fix this game for the sake of pvp.

Unless you meant "destro ulti" which isn't spammable at any rate, I'd have to disagree..
And shieldstacking will get you nowhere with 20k bursts easily doable with viper + veli + widowmaker.

infernal guardian...

I laugh at people using infernal as I walk out of the telegraphed circle.

Lava_Croft

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

You forgot

5: The new shield stacking meteor spammers sorcerers metà.

ZoS we need a balance patch where you fix this game for the sake of pvp.

Unless you meant "destro ulti" which isn't spammable at any rate, I'd have to disagree..
And shieldstacking will get you nowhere with 20k bursts easily doable with viper + veli + widowmaker.

infernal guardian...

I laugh at people using infernal as I walk out of the telegraphed circle.

I just keep standing inside the AoE as a testament to my prowess as a MagPlar in Reactive, Transmutation and Malubeth.

Bosov

Agree pvp is trash atm and im not playing it. Since i like pvp im not playing eso.

Widowmaker, alchemist, viper, velidreth, seline and tremorscale... i see clips of people who arent that great kill multiple multiple because they get procced. I saw former 1vx victems kill people within a few seconds.

olsborg

There was always one specific update or patch that broke the back of a game, and legion of players started logging in rarer and rarer until the game fell over and succumbed to the stupidity that the devs forced upon it. Procc-sets of stupid.

I fear this...is that update to this game, the one that broke it. Atleast it is to me and a whole lot of the ppl on my friendlist.

covenant_merchant

Lexxypwns wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

You forgot

5: The new shield stacking meteor spammers sorcerers metà.

ZoS we need a balance patch where you fix this game for the sake of pvp.

Unless you meant "destro ulti" which isn't spammable at any rate, I'd have to disagree..
And shieldstacking will get you nowhere with 20k bursts easily doable with viper + veli + widowmaker.

infernal guardian...

Mhh, I thought the dude meant actual meteor, as in the ulti. And yeah, I do agree that Infernal Guardian shouldn't break the line of sight, to be in line with other sets. However, the damage is fine, and yes, it's a telegraphed zone from which you can easily get out. It still doesn't hold a candle to widowmaker + viper + velidreth/selene combo.

Bosov

Possitive note though : current patch must be absolutly great for the avarage player who can actually kill people without too much effort.

Waffennacht

kasa-obake wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

You forgot

5: The new shield stacking meteor spammers sorcerers metà.

ZoS we need a balance patch where you fix this game for the sake of pvp.

Unless you meant "destro ulti" which isn't spammable at any rate, I'd have to disagree..
And shieldstacking will get you nowhere with 20k bursts easily doable with viper + veli + widowmaker.

infernal guardian...

Mhh, I thought the dude meant actual meteor, as in the ulti. And yeah, I do agree that Infernal Guardian shouldn't break the line of sight, to be in line with other sets. However, the damage is fine, and yes, it's a telegraphed zone from which you can easily get out. It still doesn't hold a candle to widowmaker + viper + velidreth/selene combo.

But it does force you to keep moving, can add up, also, keep in mind while you're breaking mines to hit wards with your combo, the ward spam becomes a rather decent attack.

It's not meant to be anything like the stam combo that kills, it keeps constant pressure inbetween bursts.

If you dash through mines and get by one mortar you're lookin at 8 to a potential 13k burst. Throw in a procced frag and you could be dead.

I've had great duels with some stam proc builds. It's really all about whom can combo off first/faster lol.

Cathexis

https://youtu.be/ndI9vkgw_1Y

Gotta say Im lovin the when pros were pros member berries, like things havent been totally slanted across classes since 1.5 and like it hasnt all been about gear and numbers.

Delicious.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

The tears ...

If you're a pro (which you aren't because you're not getting paid but whatever) you'll adjust. Try some new tactics.

If the biggest problem in Cyrodiil is that someone less experienced can kill you then the game is fine.

Regardless no proc set will ever be as dangerous as a Zerg. If you can't survive one then find your local Zerg train.

HoloYoitsu

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

The tears ...

If you're a pro (which you aren't because you're not getting paid but whatever) you'll adjust. Try some new tactics.

If the biggest problem in Cyrodiil is that someone less experienced can kill you then the game is fine.

Regardless no proc set will ever be as dangerous as a Zerg. If you can't survive one then find your local Zerg train.

Why is it that every potato I see defending proc sets comments in some way or other about "the tears" of people asking for balance? Is there a script template for this or something?

Do you even listen to your own words? "Try some new tactics" you say to people eating 10-15k proc bursts. "Tactics" in a competitive environment implies the ability to counter play something, there is no tactic that counters free extra dmg every 4 sec, all you can do is eat the dmg.

You acknowledge that procs make the difference in enabling less skilled players to kill more skilled players, yet in an example of supreme cognitive dissonance you say that's fine and people should just zerg it up instead.

Congrats, you are Wrobel's target audience.

Alucardo

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

You forgot

5: The new shield stacking meteor spammers sorcerers metà.

ZoS we need a balance patch where you fix this game for the sake of pvp.

Unless you meant "destro ulti" which isn't spammable at any rate, I'd have to disagree..
And shieldstacking will get you nowhere with 20k bursts easily doable with viper + veli + widowmaker.

infernal guardian...

I laugh at people using infernal as I walk out of the telegraphed circle.

Meanwhile we can hear the crying of Nightblades as it throws mortars at their cloaked location

Dev

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Why is it that every potato I see defending proc sets comments in some way or other about "the tears" of people asking for balance?

The irony is that the proc sets do bring balance: anyone can kill anyone in 2 seconds.

Before 1T we had NB with their 1shot gank builds, all the cancer builds like rolly polly and immortal tanks. All those roll dodge triggered proc sets were (get ready for it) Proc sets...

PVP never required skill, it was and still is about who gets first hit, can they stack enough damage or debuffs to kill someone before they even get off their mount. Then you have the zerg formation, which is little more then an angry mob with cool pitchforks. Then add in some macro-slicing, a touch of lag for seasoning, and that is what cyrodil is and was.

Does it take practice and time to perfect 'your gimmick', sure but to call it skill when it is nothing more then hitting 1 2 3 4 5 in the right order, is amusing at the least. Hell with some of the fancier KB's & Mice, people are fighting by just hitting their G2 key.

The fact that now all pvp players can get 1shotted brings balance. the fact is that there were always the proc sets or the 'easy cheesy' builds, and the only real change is that they are available to everyone.

mtwiggz

I miss Impulse-Bat-Banner-Spamming-DKs, that's how bad this meta is.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

The tears ...

If you're a pro (which you aren't because you're not getting paid but whatever) you'll adjust. Try some new tactics.

If the biggest problem in Cyrodiil is that someone less experienced can kill you then the game is fine.

Regardless no proc set will ever be as dangerous as a Zerg. If you can't survive one then find your local Zerg train.

Why is it that every potato I see defending proc sets comments in some way or other about "the tears" of people asking for balance? Is there a script template for this or something?

Do you even listen to your own words? "Try some new tactics" you say to people eating 10-15k proc bursts. "Tactics" in a competitive environment implies the ability to counter play something, there is no tactic that counters free extra dmg every 4 sec, all you can do is eat the dmg.

You acknowledge that procs make the difference in enabling less skilled players to kill more skilled players, yet in an example of supreme cognitive dissonance you say that's fine and people should just zerg it up instead.

Congrats, you are Wrobel's target audience.

Why is it that every person with hurt feelings calls other people potatos?

Yes, new tactics. Use a ballista. Maybe slot an invisibility potion. Change your gear. Find a different group. There are plenty of things you can do to change your tactics. Or you could just complain.

No tactic to eat damage? Maybe adding more health? A self heal? More armor? Standing on a wall and shooting down instead of running face first at people? I get the impression that some of you play like Braveheart and then wonder why you get melted. If you play a little more carefully most of your opponents might not even know you're there.

You don't understand cognitive dissonance. Where am I being inconsistent? I understand that things should probably be toned down a bit, but these sets are just the newest issue in a long line of things that people complain about that eventually get sorted out either by a nerf or the masses adjusting. Instead of crying you should adjust your play style. Learn to adjust is the same thing I've been posting for a month now.

Good for Wrobel. Please note that I don't actually use any of these sets.

HoloYoitsu

Dev wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Why is it that every potato I see defending proc sets comments in some way or other about "the tears" of people asking for balance?

The irony is that the proc sets do bring balance: anyone can kill anyone in 2 seconds.

Before 1T we had NB with their 1shot gank builds, all the cancer builds like rolly polly and immortal tanks. All those roll dodge triggered proc sets were (get ready for it) Proc sets...

PVP never required skill, it was and still is about who gets first hit, can they stack enough damage or debuffs to kill someone before they even get off their mount. Then you have the zerg formation, which is little more then an angry mob with cool pitchforks. Then add in some macro-slicing, a touch of lag for seasoning, and that is what cyrodil is and was.

Does it take practice and time to perfect 'your gimmick', sure but to call it skill when it is nothing more then hitting 1 2 3 4 5 in the right order, is amusing at the least. Hell with some of the fancier KB's & Mice, people are fighting by just hitting their G2 key.

The fact that now all pvp players can get 1shotted brings balance. the fact is that there were always the proc sets or the 'easy cheesy' builds, and the only real change is that they are available to everyone.

You sir are a potato. Well seasoned perhaps, but a potato none the less.

Listing out past imbalances is not applicable as any kind of justification for proctato sets. And let's be honest here, you should at least acknowledge that the proctato sets people are discussing in here are the specific stam burst procs a la Viper, Veli, Tremor, Widow, Selenes, Red Potato - not stuff like your sad excuse of an example when you talk about Eternal Hunt. Eternal Hunt is an example of the type of proc that is fine, it is a utility that creates an opportunity for tactical play that the user can take advantage of, and the opponent can react to.

The second you say "PvP never required skill" shows me that you either think I too am a potato or you never played PvP seriously in this game. You would have me believe PvP is only one shot ganking and zergging, what's next, are you going to tell me Cyrodiil was always laggy too?

The fact that you somehow feel equating one shotting with balance is a legitimate response is the final nail in the coffin of your credibility.

Are you perchance a proctato yourself?

THEDKEXPERIENCE

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Dev wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Why is it that every potato I see defending proc sets comments in some way or other about "the tears" of people asking for balance?

The irony is that the proc sets do bring balance: anyone can kill anyone in 2 seconds.

Before 1T we had NB with their 1shot gank builds, all the cancer builds like rolly polly and immortal tanks. All those roll dodge triggered proc sets were (get ready for it) Proc sets...

PVP never required skill, it was and still is about who gets first hit, can they stack enough damage or debuffs to kill someone before they even get off their mount. Then you have the zerg formation, which is little more then an angry mob with cool pitchforks. Then add in some macro-slicing, a touch of lag for seasoning, and that is what cyrodil is and was.

Does it take practice and time to perfect 'your gimmick', sure but to call it skill when it is nothing more then hitting 1 2 3 4 5 in the right order, is amusing at the least. Hell with some of the fancier KB's & Mice, people are fighting by just hitting their G2 key.

The fact that now all pvp players can get 1shotted brings balance. the fact is that there were always the proc sets or the 'easy cheesy' builds, and the only real change is that they are available to everyone.

You sir are a potato. Well seasoned perhaps, but a potato none the less.

Listing out past imbalances is not applicable as any kind of justification for proctato sets. And let's be honest here, you should at least acknowledge that the proctato sets people are discussing in here are the specific stam burst procs a la Viper, Veli, Tremor, Widow, Selenes, Red Potato - not stuff like your sad excuse of an example when you talk about Eternal Hunt. Eternal Hunt is an example of the type of proc that is fine, it is a utility that creates an opportunity for tactical play that the user can take advantage of, and the opponent can react to.

The second you say "PvP never required skill" shows me that you either think I too am a potato or you never played PvP seriously in this game. You would have me believe PvP is only one shot ganking and zergging, what's next, are you going to tell me Cyrodiil was always laggy too?

The fact that you somehow feel equating one shotting with balance is a legitimate response is the final nail in the coffin of your credibility.

Are you perchance a proctato yourself?

And you're a towel.

outsideworld76

The real enemy of pvp is the lag. Zenimax should work om that.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

outsideworld76 wrote: »

The real enemy of pvp is the lag. Zenimax should work om that.

Yeah. I don't usually get a lot of lag but those boots to the dashboard are a huge pain.

HoloYoitsu

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

The tears ...

If you're a pro (which you aren't because you're not getting paid but whatever) you'll adjust. Try some new tactics.

If the biggest problem in Cyrodiil is that someone less experienced can kill you then the game is fine.

Regardless no proc set will ever be as dangerous as a Zerg. If you can't survive one then find your local Zerg train.

Why is it that every potato I see defending proc sets comments in some way or other about "the tears" of people asking for balance? Is there a script template for this or something?

Do you even listen to your own words? "Try some new tactics" you say to people eating 10-15k proc bursts. "Tactics" in a competitive environment implies the ability to counter play something, there is no tactic that counters free extra dmg every 4 sec, all you can do is eat the dmg.

You acknowledge that procs make the difference in enabling less skilled players to kill more skilled players, yet in an example of supreme cognitive dissonance you say that's fine and people should just zerg it up instead.

Congrats, you are Wrobel's target audience.

Why is it that every person with hurt feelings calls other people potatos?

Let's calm down here, take a deep breath count to 5 and rethink what you just said.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Yes, new tactics. Use a ballista. Maybe slot an invisibility potion. Change your gear. Find a different group. There are plenty of things you can do to change your tactics. Or you could just complain.

Thank you! I was a fool! I should just plant a balista down when I'm being hit with 15k proctato dmg, why didn't I think of that!

• Invis pot? That just tells me you haven't actually tried using an invis pot in the last couple months, invis pots are broken and you will get pulled out of invis immediately 99% of the time. Next.
• Change my gear? Well hello captain obvious, why do you think everyone has abandoned light armor and runs heavy armor now?
• Find another group to play with? What is that supposed to achieve? You just went full potato, never go full potato.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

No tactic to eat damage? Maybe adding more health? A self heal? More armor? Standing on a wall and shooting down instead of running face first at people? I get the impression that some of you play like Braveheart and then wonder why you get melted.

• Stacking resources and mitigation is not a true counter to proctato stacking, it is simply a way to survive it. Meanwhile you lose dmg for building more tanky while proctatos do not. The procs are static dmg that doesn't scale with stats. That is about as textbook an example of imbalanced design as you can find.
• "Stand on the wall"? Wow. I'm beginning to grasp what kind of player you are.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

If you play a little more carefully most of your opponents might not even know you're there.

LOL? Fight people in such a way that they do no realize you exist? A+ advice.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

You don't understand cognitive dissonance. Where am I being inconsistent? I understand that things should probably be toned down a bit, but these sets are just the newest issue in a long line of things that people complain about that eventually get sorted out either by a nerf or the masses adjusting. Instead of crying you should adjust your play style. Learn to adjust is the same thing I've been posting for a month now.

Good for Wrobel. Please note that I don't actually use any of these sets.

You spend your entire post talking down to people for speaking out about proc set imbalances, then end it by saying you understand they are imbalanced.

cog·ni·tive dis·so·nance
noun PSYCHOLOGY
1. the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change.




thankyourat

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

The tears ...

If you're a pro (which you aren't because you're not getting paid but whatever) you'll adjust. Try some new tactics.

If the biggest problem in Cyrodiil is that someone less experienced can kill you then the game is fine.

Regardless no proc set will ever be as dangerous as a Zerg. If you can't survive one then find your local Zerg train.

Why is it that every potato I see defending proc sets comments in some way or other about "the tears" of people asking for balance? Is there a script template for this or something?

Do you even listen to your own words? "Try some new tactics" you say to people eating 10-15k proc bursts. "Tactics" in a competitive environment implies the ability to counter play something, there is no tactic that counters free extra dmg every 4 sec, all you can do is eat the dmg.

You acknowledge that procs make the difference in enabling less skilled players to kill more skilled players, yet in an example of supreme cognitive dissonance you say that's fine and people should just zerg it up instead.

Congrats, you are Wrobel's target audience.

Yes, new tactics. Use a ballista.

Lol

Lava_Croft

mtwiggz wrote: »

I miss Impulse-Bat-Banner-Spamming-DKs, that's how bad this meta is.

The fact that I can feel sympathy for your statement is just sad.

Dev

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Are you perchance a proctato yourself?

TBH i never really got into the broken excuse for pvp this game had or had. It was broken at launch, it was broken in most every other update and well, still broken. The only thing its good for is causing drama on forums.

However yea, without a doubt i would use the proc sets, cancer builds and pretty much any option i felt like. Why, because i dont care. If/When i am there it is to unlock the skills, so if i can sit on a wall and shoot the other side, then by all means.

Personally, i would love for ZoS to make even more proc sets, and completely ruin pvp so that they just pull the plug on it and turn it into pve. So by all means please continue to show the true nature of PVP players, and illustrate how broken it is.

However i would ask that you at least acknowledge the fact that the zone never worked, and this 'issue' is nothing more then yet another pvp crying session. If/when they fix/nerf it, it wouldn't even take 24 hours before the next 'omg pvp is broke!" thread.

The simple reality is that pvp will never be 100% good for 100% of the players, it will always be something, and there is no way on this planet to ever balance out classes.

HoloYoitsu

Dev wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Are you perchance a proctato yourself?

TBH i never really got into the broken excuse for pvp this game had or had. It was broken at launch, it was broken in most every other update and well, still broken. The only thing its good for is causing drama on forums.

However yea, without a doubt i would use the proc sets, cancer builds and pretty much any option i felt like. Why, because i dont care. If/When i am there it is to unlock the skills, so if i can sit on a wall and shoot the other side, then by all means.

Personally, i would love for ZoS to make even more proc sets, and completely ruin pvp so that they just pull the plug on it and turn it into pve. So by all means please continue to show the true nature of PVP players, and illustrate how broken it is.

However i would ask that you at least acknowledge the fact that the zone never worked, and this 'issue' is nothing more then yet another pvp crying session. If/when they fix/nerf it, it wouldn't even take 24 hours before the next 'omg pvp is broke!" thread.

The simple reality is that pvp will never be 100% good for 100% of the players, it will always be something, and there is no way on this planet to ever balance out classes.

You preface by telling me upfront you don't PvP and that you wish ZOS would just kill off PvP for good, then you proceed to make rash assumptions about the nature of PvP players generalizing them as mindless whiners. You are literally telling me you do not have a knowledge base on the issue you are talking about, yet you expect me to take you seriously? I feel that's almost worthy of a prize.

Let me elucidate. Cyrodiil as a zone worked on launch, contrary to what you say. There were no crazy lag performance issues until 1.2 when ZOS introduced the anti bot code which moved previously client side calculations onto server side instead. That is the core fundamental reason why Cyrodiil performance has been crap ever since, and guess what - that was a PvE inspired change because the PvE zones were being overrun by bots!

PvP as far as skill balance and skills functioning as designed is a separate issue. There is no fundamental physical or coding barrier that prevents skills in a game from being improved in balance, only the competency of the designers. Saying PvP is inherently unbalancable is a fallacious argument, or do you posit that there are conceptually no changes that can ever be made which would result in PvP being ether more or less unbalanced that it previously was?

THEDKEXPERIENCE

He dropped "elucidate". Back off now man. No way we could ever begin to mentally spar with this person. We are all potatoes. There is no going back.

Side note: I too can Google large words.

Bakven

Dev wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Are you perchance a proctato yourself?

TBH i never really got into the broken excuse for pvp this game had or had. It was broken at launch, it was broken in most every other update and well, still broken. The only thing its good for is causing drama on forums.

However yea, without a doubt i would use the proc sets, cancer builds and pretty much any option i felt like. Why, because i dont care. If/When i am there it is to unlock the skills, so if i can sit on a wall and shoot the other side, then by all means.

Personally, i would love for ZoS to make even more proc sets, and completely ruin pvp so that they just pull the plug on it and turn it into pve. So by all means please continue to show the true nature of PVP players, and illustrate how broken it is.

However i would ask that you at least acknowledge the fact that the zone never worked, and this 'issue' is nothing more then yet another pvp crying session. If/when they fix/nerf it, it wouldn't even take 24 hours before the next 'omg pvp is broke!" thread.

The simple reality is that pvp will never be 100% good for 100% of the players, it will always be something, and there is no way on this planet to ever balance out classes.

Why are you even on this forum? Obviously you don't like pvp. Guess what? no one cares what you don't like. You like pve, well imagine if pve was as broken as pvp. you'd be whining more than you are about pvp existing. If you don't like pvp go play a game that doesn't have pvp or stay out of Cyrodiil and quit complaining about what pvp'ers discuss.

FloppyTouch

Good players run in groups of 12+?