RIP light armor :( ( PvP )

Ihatenightblades

I feel like even if i wear all impen or all reinforced theres no way to sustain without shields.

Is shields the onlyyy viable option for light armor?

Lexxypwns

Yes

Rex-Umbra

Light armour requires shields.

NoRagret

lol really? about a year and a half ago light armors got a buff increasing its defense by 120%ish. back then people didnt QQ that much and even with uber low phys resistance people would L2P

Jsmalls

NoRagret wrote: »

lol really? about a year and a half ago light armors got a buff increasing its defense by 120%ish. back then people didnt QQ that much and even with uber low phys resistance people would L2P

@NoRagret
You talking about the nirnhorned days where each piece gave you % increases to your entire resistances? Those days? Because as long as you rocked 5 1 1 and several pieces of nirnhorned your resistances were pretty awesome no matter what armor you used... And damage shields were 20k and lasted 20 seconds.

Yeah those are the days I thought you were talking about.

Kram8ion

light armour passive also gives teabag ressistance for 8sec

thankyourat

If you run light armor why would you not run annulment it's actually kind of op

BRogueNZ

be nice if a passive buffed our proactive buffs in LA, we can shield/ward up but its almost an exercise in spam keeping it all up

DHale

No shield.... Back to the transitus for you ap for me.

old_mufasa

And yet shields only last 6 sec meaning they are reactionary not preventative... so being forced to use shields but then making them last for such a short time meaning you have to use them reactionary...

It's why the meta shifting to heavy armor mainly black rose for all class's... as passive defense is going always be better when being ambushed as it buys you time to use your reactionary defensive tools.

Yes I know about the Devs so called hard data.. the problem with that hard data.. trends... the shift to running heavy armor on all builds has been slow but its building... as more and more are finding out about how much better it is.

The another issue with the data mine is from reading it... is that it didn't show how much of that was 5 set or 7 set or mixed.. as most wear 5+1+1 meaning most wear a mix of all armor types... especially with heavy armor vs other armor types such as 7 light/7 med to max stam or magic builds. I don't know anyone who wears 7 heavy.. they all wear 5 heavy with 1 med, 1 light.

BigBragg

I would say that the most glaring disparity of light armor, when compared to medium and heavy, is that it has no passives that double dips benefits for only one skill points being pumped in.

Ihatenightblades

thankyourat wrote: »

If you run light armor why would you not run annulment it's actually kind of op

I do i run dampen magic and ward ally but i was asking is there anothr option

Something like sword n shield or something lol. Just tired of having to break free soon as i get CC'd and apply shields

SlayerTheDragon

Light armor... I laughed.

Ihatenightblades

SlayerTheDragon wrote: »

Light armor... I laughed.

Magicka sorcs are doing great in light armor

itscompton

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

SlayerTheDragon wrote: »

Light armor... I laughed.

Magicka sorcs are doing great in light armor

Depends on your definition. I play with a friend who can beat other top players that crush me 1v1 but when we're together and get into fights with 2 or more people and we lose he goes down way before I do on my heavy armor Mag Temp.

Volrion

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I hate you to @Ihatenightblades

I only hate them because i mainly 1v1 with guilds and to heres ALWAYSS a nightblade who ganks me and everybody else lol

That incapacitated strike combo is just too deadly

Haha it's so funny when it happens though.

*** chaos.

Ihatenightblades

itscompton wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

SlayerTheDragon wrote: »

Light armor... I laughed.

Magicka sorcs are doing great in light armor

Depends on your definition. I play with a friend who can beat other top players that crush me 1v1 but when we're together and get into fights with 2 or more people and we lose he goes down way before I do on my heavy armor Mag Temp.

Light armor sorcs got that infinite sustain lol plus infinite shields .

I realized only way to take them out is drain ther stam,CC, then finish em off .

NinjaMyk

old_mufasa wrote: »

The another issue with the data mine is from reading it... is that it didn't show how much of that was 5 set or 7 set or mixed.. as most wear 5+1+1 meaning most wear a mix of all armor types... especially with heavy armor vs other armor types such as 7 light/7 med to max stam or magic builds. I don't know anyone who wears 7 heavy.. they all wear 5 heavy with 1 med, 1 light.

That's not always the case a lot of players actually run the 7 heavy especially if your using black rose at it improves the constitution buff even further the more heavy you wear.

ZOS_Ragnar

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Apherius

hum , in pve it's ok ^^

the_man_of_steal

NoRagret wrote: »

lol really? about a year and a half ago light armors got a buff increasing its defense by 120%ish. back then people didnt QQ that much and even with uber low phys resistance people would L2P

Give them the full story my man... a year and a half ago when that change was made, there was no buff to poison damage because elemental damage was in the CP node with melee damage and Poison damage was in the same CP node as magicka... SO the 120% buff was great before they buffed stamina.

FYI: I have 4 stam toons and 1 Mag toon.

Alucardo

Light armor should have to rely on shields.. it's LIGHT. What magicka does need is better sustain to help keep those shields up seems they can't dodge roll and keep shuffle on to evade everything like stamina can.
Wish there was more options for melee magicka builds too. I don't like being pigeon holed into using a piece of wood. I prefer close combat.

OldGamerESO

I keep clicking on posts like this with a Z icon thinking they will be talking about the subject. They should use a different icon for MOD posts, like a blue Z means MOD and red Z means they are posting on the topic.

Xvorg

thankyourat wrote: »

If you run light armor why would you not run annulment it's actually kind of op

Not in a million years is OP. OP is dodgeroll and avoid every single attack for a couple of secs. The bubble forces you to play defensively, watching your bar and counting to 6. Samina dodge rolls and for a couple of secs FORGETS defensive tactics even if there are 5 or 6 guys around. You can't do that with a bubble.

I play both, stam and magicka and the differece between both is huge.

CapuchinSeven

Xvorg wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

If you run light armor why would you not run annulment it's actually kind of op

Not in a million years is OP. OP is dodgeroll and avoid every single attack for a couple of secs. The bubble forces you to play defensively, watching your bar and counting to 6. Samina dodge rolls and for a couple of secs FORGETS defensive tactics even if there are 5 or 6 guys around. You can't do that with a bubble.

I play both, stam and magicka and the differece between both is huge.

I agree, I take a big hit to my damage if I slot it because it takes up a slot that I really need for other things. It's NICE when I have it but you have to spam it when you're focused and totally go defensive.

Dodge roll is a huge amount better by a long way.

Minalan

The problem is: more people are using light armor still than heavy.

The devs think, therefore it's balanced.

But what they didn't ask, is how many light armor builds are magicka Templars...

MLCBS

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Alucardo wrote: »

Light armor should have to rely on shields.. it's LIGHT. What magicka does need is better sustain to help keep those shields up seems they can't dodge roll and keep shuffle on to evade everything like stamina can.
Wish there was more options for melee magicka builds too. I don't like being pigeon holed into using a piece of wood. I prefer close combat.

Cool insight .

geonsocal

ugh, I'm one of those poor fools who runs 7 light (on 2 characters )...

it doesn't really seem to bother my mDK...but, my magsorc has to stay on the move constantly...

just wondering, do boundless storm and empowered ward stack?

Minno

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

If you run light armor why would you not run annulment it's actually kind of op

Not in a million years is OP. OP is dodgeroll and avoid every single attack for a couple of secs. The bubble forces you to play defensively, watching your bar and counting to 6. Samina dodge rolls and for a couple of secs FORGETS defensive tactics even if there are 5 or 6 guys around. You can't do that with a bubble.

I play both, stam and magicka and the differece between both is huge.

I agree, I take a big hit to my damage if I slot it because it takes up a slot that I really need for other things. It's NICE when I have it but you have to spam it when you're focused and totally go defensive.

Dodge roll is a huge amount better by a long way.

Dodge is the best mitigation only because it's the only mitigation that can negate the entire dmg of a spell. Everything else has to run through the gauntlet of the "armor mitigation" equation, whereas dodge chance is literally "can you dodge? If yes, don't take any dmg, if no, take dmg."

FriedEggSandwich

geonsocal wrote: »

ugh, I'm one of those poor fools who runs 7 light (on 2 characters )...

it doesn't really seem to bother my mDK...but, my magsorc has to stay on the move constantly...

just wondering, do boundless storm and empowered ward stack?

Yeah they stack because they offer different buffs. Boundless storm gives around 5k resistances (like wearing 2 pieces of heavy without the passives), and the ward is a straight damage absorb. In pvp I wear 2 large pieces of heavy and keep boundless storm up constantly. Combine that with a defending resto staff on back bar, some impen and the vampire undeath passive and suddenly you actually have time to cast your ward.

geonsocal

thanks @FriedEggSandwich (hmmmm, is it time for lunch yet)...magsorc play has me just as perplexed now as NB did earlier this year...I've begun to incorporate mixed armor builds in my newer characters- but, I'm a little too stubborn to change up some of my older builds...I'll just keep working towards better solutions...