[VIDEO] Pact Milita vs Vehemence for the Battle of White Fall Mountain

Icy

Esgameplaya1 wrote: »

Sincerely Kush-Kush,
Fear spamming zerg scrub

Getting feared of that steep mountain slope???? That was the best. And then I died, and someone rezzed me and I did my usual thing of dodge rolling as I accepted, except I dodge rolled off the mountain. *Sigh, wipes away a tear*. Good times.

Satiar

Esgameplaya1 wrote: »

I figured id leave a post on this one since my name is brought up. First off; this was a fun fight! Second; I think its funny I'm being called a d***(Kush-Kush). Where is the snip of this clip for name calling HUH zos? Although its probably deserved I may have sent a distasteful tell to one or two pact members in the past. I do apologize. Third; my favorite part of the video is about minute 17:20 when she says after being killed a few times "Yeh I think we need to stop playing the game". Now that was epic! Keep it real PM the game wouldn't be the same without ya.

Sincerely Kush-Kush,
Fear spamming zerg scrub

It's ok, I get called worse

It's a sign of love and affection. Like Alien Inversion being a macro spammer!

Sanct16

Can we please stop with this "oceanic people" ***?

Nightcapping/PvDoor isn't a question of timezones but attitude.

Elong

Sanct16 wrote: »

Can we please stop with this "oceanic people" ***?

Nightcapping/PvDoor isn't a question of timezones but attitude.

I don't think attitude equates to me being at my job at so called "prime time" because it's 2 in the afternoon.

Sanct16

Elong wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Can we please stop with this "oceanic people" ***?

Nightcapping/PvDoor isn't a question of timezones but attitude.

I don't think attitude equates to me being at my job at so called "prime time" because it's 2 in the afternoon.

If you take every single keep on the map against barely any resistance it's because you chose to PvDoor. If theres no real opposition, just don't siege keeps. Go to another campaign, do some dungeons, try to find someone to duel or whatever, just don't flip the whole map.

Heanz

Joy_Division wrote: »

allen-iverson wrote: »

460.... active players.... in pact militia.....

@NACtron you are the reincarnation of brandon south ga

I don't think that's fair.

Not every PvP guild is of the same variety. VE proudly refers to itself as the "hardcore" variety that demands excellence, accepts no excuses, requires specific gear/build setups, has its ultimates held until command, and expects its core members to regularly participate during scheduled raid nights. And that's not even getting into the commentary in TS after losing what the Raid lead believes is a winnable fight. Being in VE and guilds like it require being more than good, you've got to put up with *a lot* of pressure, criticism, and constraints on what is ostensibly a leisure activity. It is NOT a combination that is going to attract very many people so these guilds are going to be of small size. That's just how it is.

Most people do not have the motivation or dedication to put up with all of that. To say nothing if people don't play everyday and have the skill level to be above what people in elite guild mock as "PuGs." I've heard stories of the ridiculously high standards that Havoc, No Mercy, and Haxus had for recruitment - exactly what is the majoity of PvP population supposed to do if they want to play in an organized guild? Quit their day job, play as often as Methusula did and git gud? VE, Haxus, and old AD guilds like Decibal were for a small sector of ESO's PvP community. Which is fine. Not everyone wants to be as micro-managed and be asked "what killed you?" every time they die. Guilds like Dominion Imperial Guard and Pact Militia are open to enthusiastic players willing to learn and these guilds are willing to teach and put players in an organized structure, even if it a lot looser. That is fine IMHO and I would also argue needed. If you're an EP and relatively new to the game or only have the opportunity to play on weekends, it's not like Haxus or Invictus will toss and invite to "LFG" in zone chat.

I was in DiG and I can tell you that even with a 450+ guild roster, on something like a Saturday afternoon we'd still wouldn't have a full group going. I remember during prime time when we'd take our 24 on Auriel's Bow and tried to take a keep from No Mercy. Yeah, we got Rekt despite everyone's best effort and it was *NOT* fun to have this repeatedly happen. It sure would be nice in theory for us to "git gud," kick enthusiastic players that we personally liked who weren't of the caliber of Prett, AoE BBQ, or Jones, tell those who are playing what builds to run and when to drop their ultimates, and pull a Bulb tirade after a wipe, but that is why VE is small: not everyone wants to deal with that, even if they are good players.

I am not making excuses for 60 EPs running around Pvdooring a 1 bar DC population and celebrating crowing an emperor because I think that's trash. But let's not pretend that a lot of players that are considered "good" got their former emperor titles in the same or similar dubious manner or that somehow this is an EP thing.

I am saying that it is not appreciated just how difficult or how much of a nightmare it is to fight the hardcore guilds without being in one. Have we never once given consideration to what VE's 30 and 45 minute "farms" are like from the receiving end? We get on the Arrius's top floor and wipe dozens and dozens and dozens of reds - with only occasionally suffering a death - and wonder why 50+ eventually show up to finally and mercifully put an end to it? Well, I don't wonder. I take it as a compliment. But I guess I'm kind of weird in that I never sent a tell to another player linking an FTC parse with the number of targets hit.

Well said Des Mate!

Heanz

Satiar wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

... what is ostensibly a leisure activity.

Hahahahahaha! "Ostensibly a leisure activity" Joy you slay me.

Now battle coms and tell me your negate percentage!

Steve their rezzing!

PosternHouse

Heanz wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

... what is ostensibly a leisure activity.

Hahahahahaha! "Ostensibly a leisure activity" Joy you slay me.

Now battle coms and tell me your negate percentage!

Steve their rezzing!

STEVE. THEY ARE RESING. STEVE.

Ghost-Shot

PosternHouse wrote: »

Heanz wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

... what is ostensibly a leisure activity.

Hahahahahaha! "Ostensibly a leisure activity" Joy you slay me.

Now battle coms and tell me your negate percentage!

Steve their rezzing!

STEVE. THEY ARE RESING. STEVE.

STEVE STEVE THEY'RE RESING

manny254

@NACtron @Icy I would like to point out how members of your guild actually behave.


Late last night your raid decided to chase our group of 4 with 30+. I am used to this, but afterwards Crow stopped the raid to show us disrespect. They all emoted on my body for about 7 mins. This is not how you should allow your group to represent itself. We constantly fight outnumbered, but we do not show disrespect to you.

On a similar note. We have had members of your groups accuse of cheating various times. We do not cheat. We do not exploit. Please keep them under control. It is not fun to be constantly slandered, and treated poorly.

I do think the core idea of your guild is great (Helping people, and giving them a place to start.), but I fear you will not actually foster long term growth. Your players will never improve if more numbers is always the answer, and there is only so much they can grow in that environment.

_Chaos

manny254 wrote: »

@NACtron @Icy I would like to point out how members of your guild actually behave.


Late last night your raid decided to chase out group of 4 with 30+. I am used to this, but afterwords Crow stopped the raid to show us disrespect. They all emoted on my body for about 7 mins. This is not how you should allow your group to represent it self. We constantly fight outnumbered, but we do not show disrespect to you.

On a similar note. We have had members of your groups accuse of cheating various times. We do not cheat. We do not exploit. Please keep them under control. It is not fun to be constantly slandered, and treated poorly.

I do think the core idea of your guild is great (Helping people, and giving them a place to start.), but I fear you will not actually foster long term growth. Your players will never improve if more numbers is always the answer, and there is only so much they can grow in that environment.

Want a tissue bby?

PosternHouse

STEVE. RESES. @Satiar. STEVE.

Ghost-Shot

PosternHouse wrote: »

STEVE. RESES. @Satiar. STEVE.

STEVE

Ghostbane

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

STEVE. RESES. @Satiar. STEVE.

STEVE

Ghost-Shot

manny254 wrote: »

@NACtron @Icy I would like to point out how members of your guild actually behave.


Late last night your raid decided to chase our group of 4 with 30+. I am used to this, but afterwards Crow stopped the raid to show us disrespect. They all emoted on my body for about 7 mins. This is not how you should allow your group to represent itself. We constantly fight outnumbered, but we do not show disrespect to you.

On a similar note. We have had members of your groups accuse of cheating various times. We do not cheat. We do not exploit. Please keep them under control. It is not fun to be constantly slandered, and treated poorly.

I do think the core idea of your guild is great (Helping people, and giving them a place to start.), but I fear you will not actually foster long term growth. Your players will never improve if more numbers is always the answer, and there is only so much they can grow in that environment.

That's sort of his thing man, he likes to zerg down 12 people with 2 raids and then talk about how they got "rekt" and how "easy" it was, and the salt is real when those 12 kite to a choke and blow the 2 raids up.

Zheg

Ghostbane wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

STEVE. RESES. @Satiar. STEVE.

STEVE

But, are they still rezzing? Or did they put down a forward camp too? YOUR WARNING CRY MEANS NOTHING SMALL RODENT

Icy

manny254 wrote: »

@NACtron @Icy I would like to point out how members of your guild actually behave.

Late last night your raid decided to chase our group of 4 with 30+. I am used to this, but afterwards Crow stopped the raid to show us disrespect. They all emoted on my body for about 7 mins. This is not how you should allow your group to represent itself. We constantly fight outnumbered, but we do not show disrespect to you.

On a similar note. We have had members of your groups accuse of cheating various times. We do not cheat. We do not exploit. Please keep them under control. It is not fun to be constantly slandered, and treated poorly.

I do think the core idea of your guild is great (Helping people, and giving them a place to start.), but I fear you will not actually foster long term growth. Your players will never improve if more numbers is always the answer, and there is only so much they can grow in that environment.

Mohican! Hi! Nice to connect with you here in the forums. ^_^

You cause us problems! ^_^ If you or your group are hanging around in EP territory we can't LEAVE you be because you'll just keep taking resources and distracting us. And you're tough! If we need a big group to take you down, then we have to do it, so we can move away to take other objectives.

We have accused you of cheating, it's true, but what you do with a small group doesn't seem possible, so I'm sure you can forgive us. When I'm in the raid, I'll keep it under control from now on (I don't play much on my Wed-Fri, your Tue-Thur).

I'd LOVE to see a vid of your group fighting VE or Haxus! Now THAT would be a show of skill! ^_^

Ghost-Shot

Icy wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

@NACtron @Icy I would like to point out how members of your guild actually behave.

Late last night your raid decided to chase our group of 4 with 30+. I am used to this, but afterwards Crow stopped the raid to show us disrespect. They all emoted on my body for about 7 mins. This is not how you should allow your group to represent itself. We constantly fight outnumbered, but we do not show disrespect to you.

On a similar note. We have had members of your groups accuse of cheating various times. We do not cheat. We do not exploit. Please keep them under control. It is not fun to be constantly slandered, and treated poorly.

I do think the core idea of your guild is great (Helping people, and giving them a place to start.), but I fear you will not actually foster long term growth. Your players will never improve if more numbers is always the answer, and there is only so much they can grow in that environment.

Mohican! Hi! Nice to connect with you here in the forums. ^_^

You cause us problems! ^_^ If you or your group are hanging around in EP territory we can't LEAVE you be because you'll just keep taking resources and distracting us. And you're tough! If we need a big group to take you down, then we have to do it, so we can move away to take other objectives.

We have accused you of cheating, it's true, but what you do with a small group doesn't seem possible, so I'm sure you can forgive us. When I'm in the raid, I'll keep it under control from now on (I don't play much on my Wed-Fri, your Tue-Thur).

I'd LOVE to see a vid of your group fighting VE or Haxus! Now THAT would be a show of skill! ^_^

Unless they absolutely won't get off our back line we usually don't engage his group because they are generally 4 or 5 people.

Aenlir

Icy wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

@NACtron @Icy I would like to point out how members of your guild actually behave.

Late last night your raid decided to chase our group of 4 with 30+. I am used to this, but afterwards Crow stopped the raid to show us disrespect. They all emoted on my body for about 7 mins. This is not how you should allow your group to represent itself. We constantly fight outnumbered, but we do not show disrespect to you.

On a similar note. We have had members of your groups accuse of cheating various times. We do not cheat. We do not exploit. Please keep them under control. It is not fun to be constantly slandered, and treated poorly.

I do think the core idea of your guild is great (Helping people, and giving them a place to start.), but I fear you will not actually foster long term growth. Your players will never improve if more numbers is always the answer, and there is only so much they can grow in that environment.

Mohican! Hi! Nice to connect with you here in the forums. ^_^

You cause us problems! ^_^ If you or your group are hanging around in EP territory we can't LEAVE you be because you'll just keep taking resources and distracting us. And you're tough! If we need a big group to take you down, then we have to do it, so we can move away to take other objectives.

We have accused you of cheating, it's true, but what you do with a small group doesn't seem possible, so I'm sure you can forgive us. When I'm in the raid, I'll keep it under control from now on (I don't play much on my Wed-Fri, your Tue-Thur).

I'd LOVE to see a vid of your group fighting VE or Haxus! Now THAT would be a show of skill! ^_^

We have recorded some good fights against Haxus, and we kinda surprised VE once too, but it's nearly impossible fighting other organized groups outnumbered 2 to 1 or worse in this meta.

Zheg

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Icy wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

@NACtron @Icy I would like to point out how members of your guild actually behave.

Late last night your raid decided to chase our group of 4 with 30+. I am used to this, but afterwards Crow stopped the raid to show us disrespect. They all emoted on my body for about 7 mins. This is not how you should allow your group to represent itself. We constantly fight outnumbered, but we do not show disrespect to you.

On a similar note. We have had members of your groups accuse of cheating various times. We do not cheat. We do not exploit. Please keep them under control. It is not fun to be constantly slandered, and treated poorly.

I do think the core idea of your guild is great (Helping people, and giving them a place to start.), but I fear you will not actually foster long term growth. Your players will never improve if more numbers is always the answer, and there is only so much they can grow in that environment.

Mohican! Hi! Nice to connect with you here in the forums. ^_^

You cause us problems! ^_^ If you or your group are hanging around in EP territory we can't LEAVE you be because you'll just keep taking resources and distracting us. And you're tough! If we need a big group to take you down, then we have to do it, so we can move away to take other objectives.

We have accused you of cheating, it's true, but what you do with a small group doesn't seem possible, so I'm sure you can forgive us. When I'm in the raid, I'll keep it under control from now on (I don't play much on my Wed-Fri, your Tue-Thur).

I'd LOVE to see a vid of your group fighting VE or Haxus! Now THAT would be a show of skill! ^_^

Unless they absolutely won't get off our back line we usually don't engage his group because they are generally 4 or 5 people.

Or unless Meraki doesn't pay proper tribute with /lute performances.

manny254

Icy wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

@NACtron @Icy I would like to point out how members of your guild actually behave.

Late last night your raid decided to chase our group of 4 with 30+. I am used to this, but afterwards Crow stopped the raid to show us disrespect. They all emoted on my body for about 7 mins. This is not how you should allow your group to represent itself. We constantly fight outnumbered, but we do not show disrespect to you.

On a similar note. We have had members of your groups accuse of cheating various times. We do not cheat. We do not exploit. Please keep them under control. It is not fun to be constantly slandered, and treated poorly.

I do think the core idea of your guild is great (Helping people, and giving them a place to start.), but I fear you will not actually foster long term growth. Your players will never improve if more numbers is always the answer, and there is only so much they can grow in that environment.

Mohican! Hi! Nice to connect with you here in the forums. ^_^

You cause us problems! ^_^ If you or your group are hanging around in EP territory we can't LEAVE you be because you'll just keep taking resources and distracting us. And you're tough! If we need a big group to take you down, then we have to do it, so we can move away to take other objectives.

We have accused you of cheating, it's true, but what you do with a small group doesn't seem possible, so I'm sure you can forgive us. When I'm in the raid, I'll keep it under control from now on (I don't play much on my Wed-Fri, your Tue-Thur).

I'd LOVE to see a vid of your group fighting VE or Haxus! Now THAT would be a show of skill! ^_^

Thank you for responding. The complaint is more about being treated disrespectfully. We are very used to getting zerged.

I have not been recording, but glory has some clips. We have fought haxus many times, and we had one good battle with VE. His perspective might not be the most entertaining, but we can get him to uploaded them.

allen-iverson

*PM needing 48 people to whipe a group of 12 and using two forward camps in the process*

@_Crow - "that was easy"

lol

Elong

Sanct16 wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Can we please stop with this "oceanic people" ***?

Nightcapping/PvDoor isn't a question of timezones but attitude.

I don't think attitude equates to me being at my job at so called "prime time" because it's 2 in the afternoon.

If you take every single keep on the map against barely any resistance it's because you chose to PvDoor. If theres no real opposition, just don't siege keeps. Go to another campaign, do some dungeons, try to find someone to duel or whatever, just don't flip the whole map.

I always find resistance when I'm playing no matter what time of day or night. I don't know where this myth comes from.

Erondil

Elong wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Can we please stop with this "oceanic people" ***?

Nightcapping/PvDoor isn't a question of timezones but attitude.

I don't think attitude equates to me being at my job at so called "prime time" because it's 2 in the afternoon.

If you take every single keep on the map against barely any resistance it's because you chose to PvDoor. If theres no real opposition, just don't siege keeps. Go to another campaign, do some dungeons, try to find someone to duel or whatever, just don't flip the whole map.

I always find resistance when I'm playing no matter what time of day or night. I don't know where this myth comes from.

Mmost of the time when the main campaign is painted one colour everyday, if I log on during the late night/early morning I see 20-30 people taking keeps defended by <5. So much for the resistance.

Elong

Erondil wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Can we please stop with this "oceanic people" ***?

Nightcapping/PvDoor isn't a question of timezones but attitude.

I don't think attitude equates to me being at my job at so called "prime time" because it's 2 in the afternoon.

If you take every single keep on the map against barely any resistance it's because you chose to PvDoor. If theres no real opposition, just don't siege keeps. Go to another campaign, do some dungeons, try to find someone to duel or whatever, just don't flip the whole map.

I always find resistance when I'm playing no matter what time of day or night. I don't know where this myth comes from.

Mmost of the time when the main campaign is painted one colour everyday, if I log on during the late night/early morning I see 20-30 people taking keeps defended by <5. So much for the resistance.

I don't.

Lore_lai

Zheg wrote: »

Or unless Meraki doesn't pay proper tribute with /lute performances.

/Templarlute
If I ever don't it's because I'm in a hurry to get to the group. I'm lagging behind enough as is, what with healers being stuck in combat for eternity.
I actually ride horses IRL and these trolls (I'm kidding, I wub you all) always go l2mount and I'm like #%^$!&%^ I already know how to!!

Erondil

Elong wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Can we please stop with this "oceanic people" ***?

Nightcapping/PvDoor isn't a question of timezones but attitude.

I don't think attitude equates to me being at my job at so called "prime time" because it's 2 in the afternoon.

If you take every single keep on the map against barely any resistance it's because you chose to PvDoor. If theres no real opposition, just don't siege keeps. Go to another campaign, do some dungeons, try to find someone to duel or whatever, just don't flip the whole map.

I always find resistance when I'm playing no matter what time of day or night. I don't know where this myth comes from.

Mmost of the time when the main campaign is painted one colour everyday, if I log on during the late night/early morning I see 20-30 people taking keeps defended by <5. So much for the resistance.

I don't.

So you're telling me in off hours one faction can turn the whole map agaisnt roughly as many ennemies but closer to primetime they never manage to do so eventhough its still roughly equal numbers? mmh OK

frozywozy

manny254 wrote: »

Icy wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

@NACtron @Icy I would like to point out how members of your guild actually behave.

Late last night your raid decided to chase our group of 4 with 30+. I am used to this, but afterwards Crow stopped the raid to show us disrespect. They all emoted on my body for about 7 mins. This is not how you should allow your group to represent itself. We constantly fight outnumbered, but we do not show disrespect to you.

On a similar note. We have had members of your groups accuse of cheating various times. We do not cheat. We do not exploit. Please keep them under control. It is not fun to be constantly slandered, and treated poorly.

I do think the core idea of your guild is great (Helping people, and giving them a place to start.), but I fear you will not actually foster long term growth. Your players will never improve if more numbers is always the answer, and there is only so much they can grow in that environment.

Mohican! Hi! Nice to connect with you here in the forums. ^_^

You cause us problems! ^_^ If you or your group are hanging around in EP territory we can't LEAVE you be because you'll just keep taking resources and distracting us. And you're tough! If we need a big group to take you down, then we have to do it, so we can move away to take other objectives.

We have accused you of cheating, it's true, but what you do with a small group doesn't seem possible, so I'm sure you can forgive us. When I'm in the raid, I'll keep it under control from now on (I don't play much on my Wed-Fri, your Tue-Thur).

I'd LOVE to see a vid of your group fighting VE or Haxus! Now THAT would be a show of skill! ^_^

Thank you for responding. The complaint is more about being treated disrespectfully. We are very used to getting zerged.

I have not been recording, but glory has some clips. We have fought haxus many times, and we had one good battle with VE. His perspective might not be the most entertaining, but we can get him to uploaded them.

That says it all right there. Best AD group and best DC group have had only one good fight. I agree that being outnumbered 2 to 1 is not an option and impossible to win with the actual meta with skilled players on both sides. But it says much about what kind of competition AD and DC has nowadays. No wonder the Roebeck <=> Ash route is barely contested unless EP actually go there and make it happens. Thanks for your honesty Mojican.

Warraxx

frozywozy wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Icy wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

@NACtron @Icy I would like to point out how members of your guild actually behave.

Late last night your raid decided to chase our group of 4 with 30+. I am used to this, but afterwards Crow stopped the raid to show us disrespect. They all emoted on my body for about 7 mins. This is not how you should allow your group to represent itself. We constantly fight outnumbered, but we do not show disrespect to you.

On a similar note. We have had members of your groups accuse of cheating various times. We do not cheat. We do not exploit. Please keep them under control. It is not fun to be constantly slandered, and treated poorly.

I do think the core idea of your guild is great (Helping people, and giving them a place to start.), but I fear you will not actually foster long term growth. Your players will never improve if more numbers is always the answer, and there is only so much they can grow in that environment.

Mohican! Hi! Nice to connect with you here in the forums. ^_^

You cause us problems! ^_^ If you or your group are hanging around in EP territory we can't LEAVE you be because you'll just keep taking resources and distracting us. And you're tough! If we need a big group to take you down, then we have to do it, so we can move away to take other objectives.

We have accused you of cheating, it's true, but what you do with a small group doesn't seem possible, so I'm sure you can forgive us. When I'm in the raid, I'll keep it under control from now on (I don't play much on my Wed-Fri, your Tue-Thur).

I'd LOVE to see a vid of your group fighting VE or Haxus! Now THAT would be a show of skill! ^_^

Thank you for responding. The complaint is more about being treated disrespectfully. We are very used to getting zerged.

I have not been recording, but glory has some clips. We have fought haxus many times, and we had one good battle with VE. His perspective might not be the most entertaining, but we can get him to uploaded them.

That says it all right there. Best AD group and best DC group have had only one good fight. I agree that being outnumbered 2 to 1 is not an option and impossible to win with the actual meta with skilled players on both sides. But it says much about what kind of competition AD and DC has nowadays. No wonder the Roebeck <=> Ash route is barely contested unless EP actually go there and make it happens. Thanks for your honesty Mojican.

Zheg

frozywozy wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Icy wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

@NACtron @Icy I would like to point out how members of your guild actually behave.

Late last night your raid decided to chase our group of 4 with 30+. I am used to this, but afterwards Crow stopped the raid to show us disrespect. They all emoted on my body for about 7 mins. This is not how you should allow your group to represent itself. We constantly fight outnumbered, but we do not show disrespect to you.

On a similar note. We have had members of your groups accuse of cheating various times. We do not cheat. We do not exploit. Please keep them under control. It is not fun to be constantly slandered, and treated poorly.

I do think the core idea of your guild is great (Helping people, and giving them a place to start.), but I fear you will not actually foster long term growth. Your players will never improve if more numbers is always the answer, and there is only so much they can grow in that environment.

Mohican! Hi! Nice to connect with you here in the forums. ^_^

You cause us problems! ^_^ If you or your group are hanging around in EP territory we can't LEAVE you be because you'll just keep taking resources and distracting us. And you're tough! If we need a big group to take you down, then we have to do it, so we can move away to take other objectives.

We have accused you of cheating, it's true, but what you do with a small group doesn't seem possible, so I'm sure you can forgive us. When I'm in the raid, I'll keep it under control from now on (I don't play much on my Wed-Fri, your Tue-Thur).

I'd LOVE to see a vid of your group fighting VE or Haxus! Now THAT would be a show of skill! ^_^

Thank you for responding. The complaint is more about being treated disrespectfully. We are very used to getting zerged.

I have not been recording, but glory has some clips. We have fought haxus many times, and we had one good battle with VE. His perspective might not be the most entertaining, but we can get him to uploaded them.

That says it all right there. Best AD group and best DC group have had only one good fight. I agree that being outnumbered 2 to 1 is not an option and impossible to win with the actual meta with skilled players on both sides. But it says much about what kind of competition AD and DC has nowadays. No wonder the Roebeck <=> Ash route is barely contested unless EP actually go there and make it happens. Thanks for your honesty Mojican.

I would much rather fight yellow all day long, though they zerg at times, it's no where near to the current level that red does it. When it's typical to log onto a map where red has most of the scrolls, emp, and we're pushed back to tri-keeps if not further, why the F would I push down towards yellow? The ones that do push south are the pugs that get yelled at in zone because they're being dumb. Yesterday during primetime had excellent fights between all alliances on all sides of the map - and that's because red hadn't swept the map when no one was logged on beforehand. Balanced maps lead to good fights, food for thought.